Only 2 UK Covid deaths in last 24 hours

To be fair it was always iterated that without a vaccination then not overloading the nhs was the overriding aim.
 
bollieboy said:
That is not the New York Times. Where is the New York Times article you (and the youtube piece) refer to ?
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They are talking about the NYT article on the live show, on the YouTube link I just provided.
Im not your lapdog.
Search for it yourself, lazy arse.
 
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Lala said:
To be fair it was always iterated that without a vaccination then not overloading the nhs was the overriding aim.
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Which kind of makes sense.

So long as the NHS isn't overloaded then anyone who needs and can benefit from treatment gets it, if the outbreak exceeds the capacity of the NHS then patients who could be saved can't get treatment and die as a result.

There is a fundamental question here, what is it that you/SAGE/HMG want to achieve?
 
My daughter has received a letter today to be randomly tested for antibodies 👍
As she was quite poorly back in February after returning from Amsterdam and then a few more of us in the family developed coughing, chest, fever, pain and breathing difficulties here’s hoping 🤔
 
Lala said:
My daughter has received a letter today to be randomly tested for antibodies 👍
As she was quite poorly back in February after returning from Amsterdam and then a few more of us in the family developed coughing, chest, fever, pain and breathing difficulties here’s hoping 🤔
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My lad was tested recently, after working all through the pandemic on the front line at a hospital, but tested negative.

Hope your result is more positive, Lala!
 
spudgun said:
My lad was tested recently, after working all through the pandemic on the front line at a hospital, but tested negative.

Hope your result is more positive, Lala!
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My daughters mum in law tested positive for antibodies last week. It’s a bloody lottery’s isn’t it !
 
Hope I’m wrong, but I think the rise in cases, due mainly to the behaviour of the young, will ultimately lead to older and more vulnerable people ending up in hospital and dying. 2 deaths will seem like a distant memory.
 
Chunkylad said:
They’re certainly spreading it round those pesky kids.
As long as no one dies then all good
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The kids then pass it on to their parents and elderly grandparents with potentially devastating results. This is a real danger if the virus is still as lethal as before.
 
Deaths are a lagging indicator. Hospital admissions and people in hospital are pretty steady though but look to be ticking up a little. Fingers crossed they don't start rising.
 
LACK OF DEATH MYSTERY - AS SECOND COVID TSUNAMI HITS UK

Widespread disappointment as daily dose of death doesn’t arrive. Experts assure public Death is Coming!!
 
My lad was tested again today.

He got a message on his football club whatsapp that a player had tested positive after training on Thursday and they all had to get tested asap.

He took the message after calling in for breakfast this morning, and we were all sat down eating.

Made me nearly choke on my croissants.

He expects uni to be a petri dish of infection come the Autumn...
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
LACK OF DEATH MYSTERY - AS SECOND COVID TSUNAMI HITS UK

Widespread disappointment as daily dose of death doesn’t arrive. Experts assure public Death is Coming!!
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BRAVE BRIT LAUGH IN THE JAWS OF DEATH

Bernie Bifster set an example for the rest of the UK earlier today when he laughed in the face of death.

“It’s all nonsense IMHO....cough... and frankly I would not wear a mask....cough..... if they were given away free...cough. Sorry I just need to take a drink”.

At this point our intrepid reporter made his excuses and left.
 
Lala said:
Building some immunity though with very low fatality rate.
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That may or may not be the case. The point about the rise in infections is the knock on effect to the economy and any return to normality etc. Rises mean more people having to self isolate. For example, a school in Longridge has had to shut for Years 7-9 because a member of staff has tested positive resulting in 12 staff having to also isolate.
Once furlough ends, how many lower paid employees will be tempted to ignore medical advice.
The lessening of deaths and the effect on the health service being diminished is more than welcome though.
 
cruzzer said:
You really are an absolute idiot and becoming very tiresome.
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Case numbers are rising very quickly - if there’s little change in the death rates then we are in the great position that the virus is killing significantly less people than alcohol everyday.
We need to stop the cases rising quickly to avoid this risk. If we don’t and the death rates stay low then people like Bifster will be proved right.
 
Chunkylad said:
Case numbers are rising very quickly - if there’s little change in the death rates then we are in the great position that the virus is killing significantly less people than alcohol everyday.
We need to stop the cases rising quickly to avoid this risk. If we don’t and the death rates stay low then people like Bifster will be proved right.
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We know we are behind Europe. Unfortunately the death rates have started to creep up following a significant rise in cases over the past couple of weeks.
 
Chunkylad said:
Case numbers are rising very quickly - if there’s little change in the death rates then we are in the great position that the virus is killing significantly less people than alcohol everyday.
We need to stop the cases rising quickly to avoid this risk. If we don’t and the death rates stay low then people like Bifster will be proved right.
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But Bifster has a persistent cough.

Bit of a worry really.

Harrumph......that was a harrumph.....not a cough.
 
southshorepool said:
That may or may not be the case. The point about the rise in infections is the knock on effect to the economy and any return to normality etc. Rises mean more people having to self isolate. For example, a school in Longridge has had to shut for Years 7-9 because a member of staff has tested positive resulting in 12 staff having to also isolate.
Once furlough ends, how many lower paid employees will be tempted to ignore medical advice.
The lessening of deaths and the effect on the health service being diminished is more than welcome though.
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And if the alternative is continuing to self isolate now, just incase, then economy still suffers, and strong immunity isn’t built.
I think from the offset if we could have mass infection with the fewest fatalities that would have been the preferred option.
 
Lala said:
And if the alternative is continuing to self isolate now, just incase, then economy still suffers, and strong immunity isn’t built.
I think from the offset if we could have mass infection with the fewest fatalities that would have been the preferred option.
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Ah yes. But the current thinking is that immunity may only last for a few weeks/months. In which case the idea of herd immunity is nonsense.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Ah yes. But the current thinking is that immunity may only last for a few weeks/months. In which case the idea of herd immunity is nonsense.
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We really don’t know how long immunity lasts. I know of only two people tested for antibodies who still have the antibodies now as they are tested on an ongoing basis, both had minor symptoms 5 months ago.
That looks encouraging to me.
We can’t hide away forever at a point when we don’t actually need to. We may never need to again so need to do what’s right in each moment is my opinion.
 
I'd hope most people are hoping that deaths don't begin to rise as cases increase and/or number of cases stop increasing. At the moment there is no hard evidence that is going to happen so best to be cautious in the meantime to minimise risk of additional deaths and the possibility of another lockdown.
 
Lala said:
And if the alternative is continuing to self isolate now, just incase, then economy still suffers, and strong immunity isn’t built.
I think from the offset if we could have mass infection with the fewest fatalities that would have been the preferred option.
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I'm not advocating anything in particular one way or the other. I'm simply pointing out that there is a shift in emphasis on the effect this virus will have. I suppose it's a realisation that we will have times where we will have greater and lesser normality.
I'm generally still not convinced with the natural herd immunity theory though.
 
Highest recorded Covid-19 cases in one day today (3,000) highest figure since mid March.

Who says it’s nothing to worry about?
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Highest recorded Covid-19 cases in one day today (3,000) highest figure since mid March.

Who says it’s nothing to worry about?
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It's looking like the beginning of exponential growth again. Really hope not, but the graph today looks very similar to the start of Spain and France's second curve. Unfortunately, the time lag translating into deaths over there now seems to be kicking in so we could be in for a bad time during October and November unless this case growth can be arrested.
 
Halifax71 said:
A percentage of tests would be a useful / better comparator.
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The number of tests processed daily has declined day on day for the last week (208k down to 175k). There is no data of how many people are tested daily but if tests processed are declining you can make a reasonable assumption number of people being tested is reducing also.
 
spudgun said:
My lad was tested again today.

He got a message on his football club whatsapp that a player had tested positive after training on Thursday and they all had to get tested asap.

He took the message after calling in for breakfast this morning, and we were all sat down eating.

Made me nearly choke on my croissants.

He expects uni to be a petri dish of infection come the Autumn...
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Like every year, just a different infection this year
 
bollieboy said:
The number of tests processed daily has declined day on day for the last week (208k down to 175k). There is no data of how many people are tested daily but if tests processed are declining you can make a reasonable assumption number of people being tested is reducing also.
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Yet infections are steadily rising. I had assumed it was because of increased testing.
 
If these new cases start to turn into hospitalisation and deaths then a second wave is surely on its way I would think. Most NHS staff seem to be fully expecting it according to two I have spoken to over the weekend.
I think there is still some hope seeing that the level of deaths so far has not shifted much. I know this is a lagging indicator, and if it is mainly young people being infected now then it may take longer to kick in, but just maybe the virus is now less dangerous or the social distancing, masks etc are weakening it’s effect?
 
glasshalffull said:
If these new cases start to turn into hospitalisation and deaths then a second wave is surely on its way I would think. Most NHS staff seem to be fully expecting it according to two I have spoken to over the weekend.
I think there is still some hope seeing that the level of deaths so far has not shifted much. I know this is a lagging indicator, and if it is mainly young people being infected now then it may take longer to kick in, but just maybe the virus is now less dangerous or the social distancing, masks etc are weakening it’s effect?
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I have a theory that the viral load you get will have a close relationship to how ill you become. With greater awareness, use of masks, hand washing, track and trace, etc then most cases now are likely to have had a weaker exposure and hopefully a less serious illness.
 
It's normal in the winter season for there to be rises in infections & deaths in other respiratory diseases (flu, pneumonia etc.)
And covid will presumably do the same.
But will it still be the cause of more deaths than the others, or will the strength of the virus have significantly faded to allow normality to return.
 
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glasshalffull said:
If these new cases start to turn into hospitalisation and deaths then a second wave is surely on its way I would think. Most NHS staff seem to be fully expecting it according to two I have spoken to over the weekend.
I think there is still some hope seeing that the level of deaths so far has not shifted much. I know this is a lagging indicator, and if it is mainly young people being infected now then it may take longer to kick in, but just maybe the virus is now less dangerous or the social distancing, masks etc are weakening it’s effect?
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Until that starts happening, the media don't give a shit about whether that are 2 deaths and X people in hospital. Until it fits the scaremongering narrative or they can start using their "SECOND WAVEZ OMGZ" media they chalked up two months ago. They won't report on deaths or number of hospital admissions. Because let's face it, as long as the number of people dying gets to 0 and the amount of people with ACTUAL covid gets less and less in hospital, we are still in a bit of a rut.
 
bollieboy said:
I have a theory that the viral load you get will have a close relationship to how ill you become. With greater awareness, use of masks, hand washing, track and trace, etc then most cases now are likely to have had a weaker exposure and hopefully a less serious illness.
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Yep, I think I heard that somewhere re the viral load. I think the precautions we are taking in most areas are enough to keep things safe for now.
And local lockdowns are the more sensible approach if things do rise above levels of acceptability. Hopefully we shouldn’t need another national lockdown like we did before any precautions were in place.
 
SeasideKurt said:
Until that starts happening, the media don't give a shit about whether that are 2 deaths and X people in hospital. Until it fits the scaremongering narrative or they can start using their "SECOND WAVEZ OMGZ" media they chalked up two months ago. They won't report on deaths or number of hospital admissions. Because let's face it, as long as the number of people dying gets to 0 and the amount of people with ACTUAL covid gets less and less in hospital, we are still in a bit of a rut.
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You may be right but until it is clear what is actually happening I think it would be very irresponsible for the media to sound any sort of “all clear” especially if as posted above it does turn out to be the social distancing, mask wearing etc that is lessening the effects of the virus.
With confirmed cases seemingly on a rapid rise again all hell could break out again once we are all driven back inside by the weather.
The two GPs I talked to at the weekend are bracing themselves for the next wave. Let’s hope they are wrong.
 
glasshalffull said:
You may be right but until it is clear what is actually happening I think it would be very irresponsible for the media to sound any sort of “all clear” especially if as posted above it does turn out to be the social distancing, mask wearing etc that is lessening the effects of the virus.
With confirmed cases seemingly on a rapid rise again all hell could break out again once we are all driven back inside by the weather.
The two GPs I talked to at the weekend are bracing themselves for the next wave. Let’s hope they are wrong.
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No one wants an all clear and everything is okay when it isn't.

It's either end of the world reporting or nothing, the medias duty is to report factual information. They pick and choose whatever is the most negative and use it. The media have been an absolute disgrace for the past 6 months. And by media I mean 99% of them. Appalling.
 
The return to schools and work will inevitably have had and will continue to have an impact

It seems the average age of those contracting the virus is reducing - think it's now 31

Hopefully that will mean a significantly reduced death rate

Equally the significant rise in cases doesn't auger well for October as mentioned above
 
glasshalffull said:
The two GPs I talked to at the weekend are bracing themselves for the next wave. Let’s hope they are wrong.
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You’re lucky that your GP’s have emerged out of their bunker from the first wave. Most local GP’s have disappeared up their own backsides since March.

No surprise that those who have re-emerged are already preparing their exit plans.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
You’re lucky that your GP’s have emerged out of their bunker from the first wave. Most local GP’s have disappeared up their own backsides since March.

No surprise that those who have re-emerged are already preparing their exit plans.
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Ha! Yeah don’t know them well, but one is clearly eyeing retirement but can’t offload his ‘partnership’, and both clearly finding innovative ways of working online, and outside in the car park or wherever else they can!
 
Halifax71 said:
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All the data you need is here: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ (you might need to dig a bit).

Looking at pillars 1 and 2 (probably the most relevant in this circumstance), we've been doing about 150,000 - 170,000 through August so assuming no massive surge in tests probably a bit under 2%.

Testing is up by maybe 50% - 60% from July (where cases were at their lowest) and maybe 100% or more since June, however that may well be down to a higher number of suspected cases, as social distancing breaks down more people get covid like symptoms even if they don't have the disease.

Testing capacity is barely changed since early June, reinforcing the above.

So I think the key takeaway is that it looks like a genuine uptick from July/August when daily cases were down in the mid to high hundreds rather than a result of increased testing.

If I were to take an un-educated guess, I'd suggest total UK Covid infections are now probably at or about where we were in the first week of March, maybe even pushing into the second week, albeit the age profile and geographical distribution is likely very different.

Very worrying, the next few days could be key.
 
bollieboy said:
I have a theory that the viral load you get will have a close relationship to how ill you become. With greater awareness, use of masks, hand washing, track and trace, etc then most cases now are likely to have had a weaker exposure and hopefully a less serious illness.
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Lala said:
Yep, I think I heard that somewhere re the viral load. I think the precautions we are taking in most areas are enough to keep things safe for now.
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The problem is that many if not most infections are going to be intra-household, and I doubt that many are applying meaningful precautions in their own homes, furthermore if the new pattern is younger people infecting older relatives that could actually make the situation worse.

In fact masks etc could actually make things worse, rather than picking up a mild case from handling a tin of beans in Tesco you're now getting a much heavier viral load from a close relative.
 
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