Only 2 UK Covid deaths in last 24 hours

Lost Seasider said:
I think perhaps it's a more general "lockdown fatigue", the crisis has been going on for 7/8 months now, people have had enough and want to go back to normal.

Interesingly "lockdown fatigue" was one of the stones that was thrown at the government and SAGE over the timing of lockdown, perhaps they were right all along.

Also, the spike is among under 30's, are they really the ones glued to the news outlets? I doubt many of them pay much attention to the pronouncements of the PM, let alone the various civil servants.

Finally, just from personal observations, I think this age group had largely said f*** it by the end of May.
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I think the younger generation are aware that the virus doesn’t pose them a serious threat and they are also sick of the Covid shaming and attempts to try and blame them for killing off vulnerable people.

You’re right, they have just said f*** it and to a certain extent, I don’t blame them.
 
I keep reading people say the virus isn't a serious threat to younger people. Whilst the death rate is much lower in that age band, there are thousands of younger people who have now been suffering for 5 or 6 months with a whole variety of long term Covid symptoms, suffering relapses whenever they try to return to normal levels of activity, even though their initial symptoms were mild. The long term damage and debilitating nature of this might not be killing younger people but it is still a dangerous threat to their long term health.
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
I keep reading people say the virus isn't a serious threat to younger people. Whilst the death rate is much lower in that age band, there are thousands of younger people who have now been suffering for 5 or 6 months with a whole variety of long term Covid symptoms, suffering relapses whenever they try to return to normal levels of activity, even though their initial symptoms were mild. The long term damage and debilitating nature of this might not be killing younger people but it is still a dangerous threat to their long term health.
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Please can you provide evidence of the “thousands of younger people who have been suffering for 5 or 6 months with a whole variety of long term Covid symptoms”
 
There have been quite a few articles about this to be fair (and other possible longer term effects such as atrial fibrillation).
The more recent ones normally have ‘Long Covid’ in the title.
They don’t often quote numbers to be honest, and it is probably hard to quantity given the nature of the symptoms.
You have to assume I think that it will be many thousands around the world if not yet in the UK.
Hopefully most younger people will now know enough about the virus to be sure that it is definitely at least best avoided if they possibly can do so.
I think at the start there was a sense for some that it was best to catch it asap so they could get back to ‘normal’.
 
glasshalffull said:
There have been quite a few articles about this to be fair (and other possible longer term effects such as atrial fibrillation).
The more recent ones normally have ‘Long Covid’ in the title.
They don’t often quote numbers to be honest, and it is probably hard to quantity given the nature of the symptoms.
You have to assume I think that it will be many thousands around the world if not yet in the UK.
Hopefully most younger people will now know enough about the virus to be sure that it is definitely at least best avoided if they possibly can do so.
I think at the start there was a sense for some that it was best to catch it asap so they could get back to ‘normal’.
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There have been quite ‘a few articles’ on all aspects of this virus.

So cutting through the ‘few articles’ and the anecdotal evidence of some people here and there, what actual evidence exists of these ‘thousands of young people’

What are the symptoms, what number of actual people are suffering from what actual symptoms?

How long have these specific symptoms lasted?

You see, I’ve seen nothing whatsoever that suggests that “thousands of young people” are suffering any serious long term symptoms from Covid.... I am aware of some isolated individual anecdotal cases of longer term symptoms in some people.
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
I keep reading people say the virus isn't a serious threat to younger people. Whilst the death rate is much lower in that age band, there are thousands of younger people who have now been suffering for 5 or 6 months with a whole variety of long term Covid symptoms, suffering relapses whenever they try to return to normal levels of activity, even though their initial symptoms were mild. The long term damage and debilitating nature of this might not be killing younger people but it is still a dangerous threat to their long term health.
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BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Please can you provide evidence of the “thousands of younger people who have been suffering for 5 or 6 months with a whole variety of long term Covid symptoms”
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Join any of the many private Facebook groups for long term Covid support. You will soon see there are thousands of young people out there who are suffering long term issues and discussing in graphic detail the pain they are going through. The latest post on one right now - Long Covid Support Group - is a 22 year old who after 5 months feels like her body is finally packing in. There's thousands like her. It's shocking to read but it's happening. I don't know what's worse. Dying old having already had a healthy long life, or being young and surviving but then facing the rest of your life with severely impacted health.

One article here too about it - https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/18/health/long-term-effects-young-people-covid-wellness/index.html
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
There have been quite ‘a few articles’ on all aspects of this virus.

So cutting through the ‘few articles’ and the anecdotal evidence of some people here and there, what actual evidence exists of these ‘thousands of young people’

What are the symptoms, what number of actual people are suffering from what actual symptoms?

How long have these specific symptoms lasted?

You see, I’ve seen nothing whatsoever that suggests that “thousands of young people” are suffering any serious long term symptoms from Covid.... I am aware of some isolated individual anecdotal cases of longer term symptoms in some people.
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Yes I agree to some extent. As I said I haven’t seen much in the way of figures and I think anecdotal is probably the right word to use. Many questions of course.
It is still early days obviously, but many families and medics are reporting cases, there seem to be quite a range of symptoms and in terms of how long it lasts? Well it hasn’t ever stopped for some.
I think it would be wrong to try and downplay this phenomenon at this stage, and people probably need to be made more aware of the many problems that some people have had from catching the virus even if they initially have only mild symptoms.
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
Join any of the many private Facebook groups for long term Covid support. You will soon see there are thousands of young people out there who are suffering long term issues and discussing in graphic detail the pain they are going through. The latest post on one right now - Long Covid Support Group - is a 22 year old who after 5 months feels like her body is finally packing in. There's thousands like her. It's shocking to read but it's happening. I don't know what's worse. Dying old having already had a healthy long life, or being young and surviving but then facing live with severely impacted health.

One article here too about it - https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/18/health/long-term-effects-young-people-covid-wellness/index.html
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So these are anecdotal evidence of some limited individual examples of Covid having some differing types of symptoms that are lasting for varying periods after the virus?

I’m not sure it’s evidence of ‘thousands of young people’ and definitely not ‘thousands of young people in the U.K.’...

So we know that potentially a very small number of young people out of the millions infected are suffering some varying degree of post viral issues....?

Sorry but this feels like yet another attempt to try and influence young people’s attitude toward the virus by making mountains out of molehills.
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
The latest post on one right now - Long Covid Support Group - is a 22 year old who after 5 months feels like her body is finally packing in. There's thousands like her. It's shocking to read but it's happening.
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Here's a scary thought, we've all focused on the immediate death rates and the effects on older people, but what if it is just or nearly as deadly to younger people but the effect is spread out over a longer period of time.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Here's a scary thought, we've all focused on the immediate death rates and the effects on older people, but what if it is just or nearly as deadly to younger people but the effect is spread out over a longer period of time.
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Yes can you imagine... Some kind of terrible disease that gradually ages you over, say, 80-90 years, you become gradually weaker and less active, bones start aching, eyesight goes, hearing loss gradually develops and some people even go a bit mad, then after all that you die.😱
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Yes can you imagine... Some kind of terrible disease that gradually ages you over, say, 80-90 years 80 - 90 weeks, you become gradually weaker and less active, bones start aching, eyesight goes, hearing loss gradually develops and some people even go a bit mad, then after all that you die.😱
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FTFY.

Long Covid definitely seems to be a thing:
https://covid.joinzoe.com/post/covid-long-term,
https://www.longcovid.org/

How prevelant and how serious we don't know, but here's a quote for you to ponder: "I've studied 100 diseases. COVID is the strangest one I have seen in my medical career"
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
So these are anecdotal evidence of some limited individual examples of Covid having some differing types of symptoms that are lasting for varying periods after the virus?

I’m not sure it’s evidence of ‘thousands of young people’ and definitely not ‘thousands of young people in the U.K.’...

So we know that potentially a very small number of young people out of the millions infected are suffering some varying degree of post viral issues....?

Sorry but this feels like yet another attempt to try and influence young people’s attitude toward the virus by making mountains out of molehills.
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You've continually downplayed this virus to the point where it's clear the only thing that would make you change your mind is if you catch it and suffer yourself, not that I would ever wish it upon you or anybody.

Knowing how many young people are now in such a poor state of health compared to what they should be at their age and them not knowing how long or permanent the damage to their health is, I think we must re-educate the public to stop judging the effects on young people in terms of purely death statistics. The impact is huge on young people when they survive but then face a life time of ill health.
 
I’m aware of Long Covid, but then I’m also aware of post viral syndrome, chronic fatigue syndrome, ME, fibromyalgia, anxiety and a whole range of other disorders.

There’s nothing to suggest that these individuals are suffering a long lingering death is there?

As for the quote...

“I've studied 100 diseases. COVID is the strangest one I have seen in my medical career"

Who said that? What are the 100’s of (presumably already well researched diseases) that he is referring too?

What is so “strange” about Covid.... Other than it is a new disease ?

I’m just not having it that a few people talking to each other about lingering symptoms is evidence of some serious issue in younger people.

It’s not... So sorry but I’m calling bullshit in this!!!

It’s inevitable (given the disease has the potential to kill people) that the will be a range of issues in a small minority of people. That doesn’t mean that this represents anything other than a very small threat to most young people, just like death.
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
You've continually downplayed this virus to the point where it's clear the only thing that would make you change your mind is if you catch it and suffer yourself, not that I would ever wish it upon you or anybody.

Knowing how many young people are now in such a poor state of health compared to what they should be at their age and them not knowing how long or permanent the damage to their health is, I think we must re-educate the public to stop judging the effects on young people in terms of purely death statistics. The impact is huge on young people when they survive but then face a life time of ill health.
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Bollocks... Stop your campaign of bullshit!!!

Young people need to be properly informed and not caught up in some bullshit propaganda, driven by bed wetting middle aged blokes!

If you want to curl up in fear, then fine, but don’t put your ill informed conspiracy shit onto other people.

A relatively tiny number of young people are suffering the types of issues you are trying to magnify..... Stop pretending it’s something it isn’t.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I’m aware of Long Covid, but then I’m also aware of post viral syndrome, chronic fatigue syndrome, ME, fibromyalgia, anxiety and a whole range of other disorders.

There’s nothing to suggest that these individuals are suffering a long lingering death is there?

As for the quote...

“I've studied 100 diseases. COVID is the strangest one I have seen in my medical career"

Who said that? What are the 100’s of (presumably already well researched diseases) that he is referring too?

What is so “strange” about Covid.... Other than it is a new disease ?

I’m just not having it that a few people talking to each other about lingering symptoms is evidence of some serious issue in younger people.

It’s not... So sorry but I’m calling bullshit in this!!!

It’s inevitable (given the disease has the potential to kill people) that the will be a range of issues in a small minority of people. That doesn’t mean that this represents anything other than a very small threat to most young people, just like death.
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I just get the impression Bifster that you believe that if you repeat something often enough then it will become true.
 
www.bbc.co.uk

Coronavirus: UK must prepare for second virus wave - health leaders

The warning comes as the prime minister announced sweeping relaxations to lockdown rules in England.
www.bbc.co.uk
www.bmj.com

Covid-19: Call for a rapid forward looking review of the UK’s preparedness for a second wave—an open letter to the leaders of all UK political parties

Dear leaders of UK political parties, Several countries are now experiencing covid-19 flare-ups. While the future shape of the pandemic in the UK is hard to predict, the available evidence indicates that local flare-ups are increasingly likely and a second wave a real risk. Many elements of the...
www.bmj.com www.bmj.com
www.express.co.uk

Coronavirus map LIVE: Boris issues second wave warning

PRIME Minister Boris Johnson has warned the UK could see a second coronavirus spike unless it "throttles the life" out of the disease.
www.express.co.uk www.express.co.uk
www.bmj.com

Covid-19: Easing lockdown could risk second spike, say public health doctors

Public health experts have added their voice to growing calls for the government to reverse its decision to ease covid-19 lockdown restrictions in England that came into force on 1 June, saying that the change in policy was not “supported by the science” and could risk lives. The Association of...
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That took me 30 seconds. Like I said, plenty of warnings and hype
Lost Seasider said:
I can use Google perfectly fine, I'm just pointing out that you're making claims and then refusing to back them up with evidence.

So, since you're seemingly too stupid to work out how to post a simple hyperlink I'll do it for you:

From 28 July: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53566043

Boris Johnson has warned there are signs of a "second wave" of coronavirus in Europe, as he defended a 14-day quarantine on travellers from Spain.

Right at the end of July, "signs of a second wave" in other countries, no firm predictions about timing or scale of second wave in UK, thus nothing to support your original claim.


From 14 July: https://news.sky.com/story/second-c...s-than-the-first-top-scientists-warn-12027912

Coronavirus infections could grow "out of control" in the UK with a second spike leading to 120,000 deaths in a "reasonable worst-case scenario", ministers have been warned.

The 37 scientists and academics behind the report said the peak in hospital admissions and deaths could come in January and February 2021.

"As we move into winter, the weather gets worse, people stay indoors more, windows aren't open so the likelihood of transmission does of course increase," she said.


I can find plenty of other warnings about a second spike at an undefined point in the future, I can find nothing to support your claim that we would see such a spike by the end of August.

Thus, since you refuse to provide evidence to support it we have to conclude that your claim is false.
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Well done, you can google after all. So you proved me right then, ** idiot.
 
SeasideKurt said:
www.bbc.co.uk

Coronavirus: UK must prepare for second virus wave - health leaders

The warning comes as the prime minister announced sweeping relaxations to lockdown rules in England.
www.bbc.co.uk
www.bmj.com

Covid-19: Call for a rapid forward looking review of the UK’s preparedness for a second wave—an open letter to the leaders of all UK political parties

Dear leaders of UK political parties, Several countries are now experiencing covid-19 flare-ups. While the future shape of the pandemic in the UK is hard to predict, the available evidence indicates that local flare-ups are increasingly likely and a second wave a real risk. Many elements of the...
www.bmj.com www.bmj.com
www.express.co.uk

Coronavirus map LIVE: Boris issues second wave warning

PRIME Minister Boris Johnson has warned the UK could see a second coronavirus spike unless it "throttles the life" out of the disease.
www.express.co.uk www.express.co.uk
www.bmj.com

Covid-19: Easing lockdown could risk second spike, say public health doctors

Public health experts have added their voice to growing calls for the government to reverse its decision to ease covid-19 lockdown restrictions in England that came into force on 1 June, saying that the change in policy was not “supported by the science” and could risk lives. The Association of...
www.bmj.com www.bmj.com

That took me 30 seconds. Like I said, plenty of warnings and hype
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None of which support the claim you made.


SeasideKurt said:
Well done, you can google after all.
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Unlike you evidently.


SeasideKurt said:
So you proved me a ** idiot.
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FTFY
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Bollocks... Stop your campaign of bullshit!!!

Young people need to be properly informed and not caught up in some bullshit propaganda, driven by bed wetting middle aged blokes!

If you want to curl up in fear, then fine, but don’t put your ill informed conspiracy shit onto other people.

A relatively tiny number of young people are suffering the types of issues you are trying to magnify..... Stop pretending it’s something it isn’t.
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Sorry - for clarification when you say bullshit propaganda - are we talking about Covid or Fracking? 😂
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
“I've studied 100 diseases. COVID is the strangest one I have seen in my medical career"

Who said that? What are the 100’s of (presumably already well researched diseases) that he is referring too?

What is so “strange” about Covid.... Other than it is a new disease ?
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It's in the first link I provided, it seems to reference this article: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...advent-calendar-covid-19-symptoms-paul-garner.

The weirdness (and I could be wrong here) seems to be down to the variety of possible symptoms and outcomes that the disease causes.

I'm tempted to question whether this might be a function of their data collection (an app) but I don't put the word "Professor" before my name and he does so I'll trust that he's controlled for that.
 
These “Long-Covid” findings, at first glance seem very similar, at first sight, to Post Viral Syndrome (PVS), Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS) and Myalgic Encephalomyelitis (ME). Of course, the cause(s) of PVS/CFS/ME are not well understood yet, there could be a whole range of viruses that can result in the conditions.

It reminds of the mid-late 70s when a small number of young people (some having visited Africa) were coming down with what was described as a strange “Total Allergy Syndrome” in which they were highly susceptible to any and all possible infections and had to be kept in a sterile hospital room to survive. In time, that became understood as an almost complete failure of their immune systems and was described as Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome... AIDS. A virus.

So, imho, there seems to be a wide spectrum of viruses and the body’s response varies in severity depending on many complicated factors. Pessimistically, of course, we still have not yet developed a vaccine for AIDS but we have successfully for another viral infection, HPV, which is implicated in cervical cancer. So, a Covid-19 vaccine? Dunno. But let’s be optimistic.
 
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Lost Seasider said:
It's in the first link I provided, it seems to reference this article: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...advent-calendar-covid-19-symptoms-paul-garner.

The weirdness (and I could be wrong here) seems to be down to the variety of possible symptoms and outcomes that the disease causes.

I'm tempted to question whether this might be a function of their data collection (an app) but I don't put the word "Professor" before my name and he does so I'll trust that he's controlled for that.
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Thanks.... It feels like a bit of a throw away type comment to me from Tim Spector.... There's not a great deal to qualify his statement and so i'm not sure i'd give it too much credence or significance in terms of a serious representation of the Covid 19 virus.

I'm also still to see any evidence of these "thousands of young people" that our resident fear monger referred to.
 
cruzzer said:
30 deaths today according to government statistics. BFCx3 explain that away if you can.
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I'm not sure why you are looking to me to explain it away, but the likelihood is that the data will include some catch up data from over the weekend.

If you look at the data, it's all a bit odd TBH... They have certainly under-reported the data for quite a few days with the 2's & 3's, which were well below the previous daily average.

There's also some discrepancy between the total number of deaths currently allocated to 7th September, which is 41586 and today's number, which is 41584 (as you can see here https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/deaths) . The ONS data for 7th September was previously 41554 (as you can see here https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/)

So it looks to me like a correction of previously under-reported data and that seems to be backed up by data which appears to have been backfilled for the past few days.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I'm not sure why you are looking to me to explain it away, but the likelihood is that the data will include some catch up data from over the weekend.

If you look at the data, it's all a bit odd TBH... They have certainly under-reported the data for quite a few days with the 2's & 3's, which were well below the previous daily average.

There's also some discrepancy between the total number of deaths currently allocated to 7th September, which is 41586 and today's number, which is 41584 (as you can see here https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/deaths) . The ONS data for 7th September was previously 41554 (as you can see here https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/)

So it looks to me like a correction of previously under-reported data and that seems to be backed up by data which appears to have been backfilled for the past few days.
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That’s not what you were saying over the last couple of days, you have used low numbers to backup your relentless rinse and repeat rhetoric.
 
cruzzer said:
That’s not what you were saying over the last couple of days, you have used low numbers to backup your relentless rinse and repeat rhetoric.
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Is that right?

Please feel free to link any comments from me, where I have used the low numbers to back up anything of the sort.

I'm sorry to pour cold water and a little bit of rationality onto your latest hysterical posting. I had hoped it might help you from winding yourself up into another AVFTT tizzy.
 
30 deaths today. It’s rising and quickly. We are back into the exponential infection days. But, unfortunately, this government cannot now be trusted on the death statistics, as they have changed the methodology so many times. If someone dies within 28 days of a positive CV test they are counted in the CV deaths total. If they die after 29 days they are not.

All those who died but who never had a CV+ test have been stripped out of the total. Some have lingered for six weeks before dying. Not counted. Any other fatal condition that CV made a lot worse that killed them? Not counted. No matter what is written on the death certificate. We have not had just 41,000+ CV deaths, it’s more like 65,000+ to date.
 
Archibald Knox said:
30 deaths today. It’s rising and quickly. We are back into the exponential infection days. But, unfortunately, this government cannot now be trusted on the death statistics, as they have changed the methodology so many times. If someone dies within 28 days of a positive CV test they are counted in the CV deaths total. If they die after 29 days they are not.

All those who died but who never had a CV+ test have been stripped out of the total. Some have lingered for six weeks before dying. Not counted. Any other fatal condition that CV made a lot worse that killed them? Not counted. No matter what is written on the death certificate. We have not had just 41,000+ CV deaths, it’s more like 65,000+ to date.
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No It's not "rising and quickly"... It's appears to be just a data correction because a few previous days have been under-reported 👍

The number of Covid related deaths in the UK is around 52,000 so 65,000 + is a bit OTT.....
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Is that right?

Please feel free to link any comments from me, where I have used the low numbers to back up anything of the sort.

I'm sorry to pour cold water and a little bit of rationality onto your latest hysterical posting. I had hoped it might help you from winding yourself up into another AVFTT tizzy.
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Same old rhetoric over and over and over and over again.

You are a one trick donkey you lying toad.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Thanks.... It feels like a bit of a throw away type comment to me from Tim Spector.... There's not a great deal to qualify his statement and so i'm not sure i'd give it too much credence or significance in terms of a serious representation of the Covid 19 virus.

I'm also still to see any evidence of these "thousands of young people" that our resident fear monger referred to.
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90% of confirmed cases in the last week under 40. There have been 3000 a day recently. That's thousands of young people.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
No It's not "rising and quickly"... It's appears to be just a data correction because a few previous days have been under-reported 👍

The number of Covid related deaths in the UK is around 52,000 so 65,000 + is a bit OTT.....
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Yet when it was 2 there was no suspicion of under reporting, just taken as it being over.
 
Wizaard said:
90% of confirmed cases in the last week under 40. There have been 3000 a day recently. That's thousands of young people.
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The conversation relates to a point above Wiz, where someone claimed thousads of young people were suffering long term problems, due to coronavirus. I'm aware of the number of infections, which is not being disputed at all.
 
Wizaard said:
Yet when it was 2 there was no suspicion of under reporting, just taken as it being over.
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Are you sure about that?

The figures have been subject to corrections on regular basis and there has always been a lag at the weekend. I certainly wasn't surprised to see a correction at all.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
The conversation relates to a point above Wiz, where someone claimed thousads of young people were suffering long term problems, due to coronavirus. I'm aware of the number of infections, which is not being disputed at all.
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Fair enough.
 
“It’s rising and quickly. We are back into the exponential infection days.”

I meant that the infection rate is rising and quickly. Sorry I was not clear enough on that. If the 2nd sentence had preceded the first, it would have been.
 
The main figure that should be counted is excess deaths...nobody seems to want to reveal that figure...I would say 65k about right but more likely to be more than less
 
TANGERINETOWERPOWER said:
The main figure that should be counted is excess deaths...nobody seems to want to reveal that figure...I would say 65k about right but more likely to be more than less
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Probably a bit less now, 65,000 was the peak figure but the weekly figures have been negative for a while now (although may just have slipped back into positive.
 
No COVID related deaths in the West Midlands for the seventh consecutive day. One knife related death and seven knife attacks carried out by one man in a ninety minute period in Birmingham last weekend. I wonder what the Police were doing? Probably too busy track and tracing. Priorities ..
 
TANGERINETOWERPOWER said:
If someone cannot get treated for cancer or heart issues because of the restrictive covid rules then I would argue it is covid related
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It is not COVID related it is LOCKDOWN related.

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Old_Laytonian said:
No COVID related deaths in the West Midlands for the seventh consecutive day. One knife related death and seven knife attacks carried out by one man in a ninety minute period in Birmingham last weekend. I wonder what the Police were doing? Probably too busy track and tracing. Priorities ..
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Shhhhhh we can’t talk about these things.
 
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