Bend it like Suddick
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Good point
What does Liniker have on the BBC?
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Archibald Knox
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There are sources that say perhaps Lineker is not breaking any of his contractual conditions at all.
That is what has got the BBC top brass in such a tizzy. That and being targeted by the likes of Braverman.
BBC fears it cannot sack Lineker or force him to follow social media rules
Exclusive: Presenter is on a two-year contract negotiated before current director general was appointed
www.independent.co.uk
basilexile
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So he doesn't wish to pay his taxes, or follow the spirit of the rules. What a hero.There are sources that say perhaps Lineker is not breaking any of his contractual conditions at all.
That is what has got the BBC top brass in such a tizzy. That and being targeted by the likes of Braverman.
BBC fears it cannot sack Lineker or force him to follow social media rules
Exclusive: Presenter is on a two-year contract negotiated before current director general was appointed
glasshalffull
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He seems to have had remarkable support from colleagues and people from the world of football today.
The BBC look in a real mess all round on this now especially if that Independent article is accurate.
If it is they will probably need to find a way to back down and save as much face as they can, or bluff it out and just take the financial hit I suppose?
The BBC look in a real mess all round on this now especially if that Independent article is accurate.
If it is they will probably need to find a way to back down and save as much face as they can, or bluff it out and just take the financial hit I suppose?
1966_and_all_that
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I'd take that piece of expertise to MI5 if I were you. They need experts in Balkan politics.
Matesrates
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Does anyone seriously think he’s worth £1.3 million a year? It’s not as if it’s dangerous, he’s not reporting from the front line in Ukraine, its not stressful, he’s not managing a football team and has to get results, he’s sitting in a studio with his mates talking about football.
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Malced
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No. Not necessarily. The asylum processes are being manipulated by people taking advantage of modern slavery laws. They’re not what the legislation was introduced for but they’re abusing it to get the right to asylum. That’s why this abuse has been specifically referenced as something to be addressed. They will no longer be able to get asylum in this way.
Many Albanians are getting asylum granted cos they’re playing the system. I’d love to know how you can class them as vulnerable when they’re coming from a safe country through other safe countries with plenty of funds to try and buy their way into the UK. We need to be honest that there’s huge amounts of abuse. It makes absolute sense to stamp down on this and discourage economic migrants. We need to be careful to ensure we allow safe passage for genuine asylum seekers but at the moment the UK is being taken advantage of and it’s open season for the people smugglers.
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Malced
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Thanks but you’re referencing something from the 1990s and using that as a justification for swathes of their young men coming illegally to the UK.
We are talking about what’s happening now. Your post has virtually no relevance. The UN doesn’t class Albania as a dangerous country. I’m not sure why it’s so difficult to admit that it’s a safe country and their inhabitants do not have any need or right to seek their life in the UK.
They’re pushing in ahead of genuine asylum seekers and blocking up the system even more. There’s no excuse. Events from over a quarter of a century ago do not then give cause to seek asylum. The only way these would have a genuine case is if they were fleeing war or persecution. Maybe they’re mentally persecuted by historical issues from before they were mostly born, but sorry that’s not gonna cut the mustard.
Shandypants
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Nazi Germany took a while before gassing 6m Jews, I doubt this govt have this in mind but there are parallels to the way our govt acts in c
Bang to rights there. This is the hall marks of the BBC governor being a puppet of this shyster government. Right wing fascists
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Malced
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Nazi Germany took a while before gassing 6m Jews, I doubt this govt have this in mind but there are parallels to the way our govt acts in c
Bang to rights there. This is the hall marks of the BBC governor being a puppet of this shyster government. Right wing fascists
Parallels to Nazi Germany in trying to solve illegal boat crossings
I’ve really heard it all.
Shandypants
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To be fair the current rhetoric is similar to Germany in the 30sParallels to Nazi Germany in trying to solve illegal boat crossings
I’ve really heard it all.
Archibald Knox
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Please do bog off, Malced. I am not justifying anything to do with Albanian men, criminal or otherwise, coming across on Channel boats. I am just pointing out that a country that has had a civil war in the past 20 years or so cannot be readily ascribed as wholly stable yet, as you think is so simple. Unless you swallow the gov.uk propaganda spewed out by the Home Sec.
You really do extrapolate far beyond what posters have written using your intolerant slant.
You will soon find out who’s views are irrelevant, give it a year or so, maybe sooner.
At least I live in the most marginal seat in the country, my vote is going to have a bit more impact than yours.
Anyway, we lost again today and it looks as though the players have now given up.
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Archibald Knox
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“What a hero” ? Don’t be a jerk. Actually he has paid all his taxes up to date, including the extra that HMRC asked for. He is simply appealing their unilateral decision in court as everyone has a right to. The law will decide.
Frankly, I hope the HMRC win under the IR35 ruling against Lineker; there have been far too many fat cats dodging tax by routing income through a limited company and paying themselves dividends which attract a much lower tax rate than wages. Parasites on the rest of us.
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Malced
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Ok well I misunderstood you.
A week is a long time in politics. I wouldn’t get too confident about the next election just yet.
When Rishi and Macron were agreeing on joint actions to tackle the boat crossings I didn’t hear anyone criticising Macron.
They had a mature meeting of two leaders and they weren’t afraid to tackle problem with illegal immigration. Rishi is mending relationships with the French, and that’s to his credit.
BFC are screwed. We replaced Appleton with a guy who had lost his previous 10 championship matches. Now he’s won one only with us out of 10. That’s one win in 20.
So he’s not good enough from a statistical perspective. Factors affecting that are the strength of the squad. It’s a load of league 1 players punching above their weight.
They gave it everything to scrape a draw with Burnley. They raised their game spurred on by the home crowd. But they’re not consistent. They can’t do it consistently at this level. And they can’t score enough. We’re doomed.
clappers
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You must subscribe to the language and views of the vocal woke blob or you sir are a fascist/fascist/gammon etc etc
Archibald Knox
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It only cost us £500 MILLION over the next 3 years to pay the French police. Rish!’s Magic Money Tree must be fruiting like never before. It will need to, considering that £5 to £10 BILLION of Covid loans are thought to have been laundered out of the country by criminal gangs due to Rish!’s lax controls. The Pool’s troubles are a storm in a teacup in comparison.
Archibald Knox
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Very appropriate avatar, Monsieur. Considering that Gary Lineker’s middle name is Winston, given to him as he shares WSC’s birthday.
clappers
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Lineker isn’t an employee of the BBC according to his tax return. The HMRC think he should be classed as an employee and want him to pay nearly £5mill in back taxes.
This furore rather helpfully puts him in the position of arguing he isn’t under the control of the BBC by virtue of his disobedience with their rules. He likes his cash does Gary.
This furore rather helpfully puts him in the position of arguing he isn’t under the control of the BBC by virtue of his disobedience with their rules. He likes his cash does Gary.
Matesrates
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I see Ian Wright has said GL should be able to say what he wants, I don’t think he’s caught up on the current woke society. No Ian, you can’t say what you want.
Threepeaksphil
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matt le ‘tis said an interesting thing. Gary L is very selective about speaking out against things HE sees as wrong but didn’t say a word about the World Cup held in that dreadful state. He was happy to be involved in coverage and ignore human rights and their treatment of gays 
Wizaard
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And the DG is a former Conservative local area Chair with a Chairman unashamedly appointed by arranging a loan for Boris after donating £400,000 to Tory funds while running a think tank to privatise the BBC.
Not influenced by their own politics in any way.
Wizaard
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Other than make a number of statements at the time on both twitter and the programme. What on earth are you talking about?matt le ‘tis said an interesting thing. Gary L is very selective about speaking out against things HE sees as wrong but didn’t say a word about the World Cup held in that dreadful state. He was happy to be involved in coverage and ignore human rights and their treatment of gays
Threepeaksphil
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Threepeaksphil
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He and Alex from Football Focus still got very involved in the World Cup and don’t think he compared Qatar to Germany?
TangerineBayern
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I said it at the time of the WC that if GL had any standards whatsoever he should have shown his true feelings against Human Rights and boycotted but no he decided like the rest of the pundits to pick up their pay cheques! Double standards of the highest quality.
Matesrates
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It’s frankly unbelievable the amount of airtime being devoted to this, the media is completely over the top, he’s a football pundit, not exceptional imo and made an unacceptable comparison with his Germany 1930s comment. There are far more important issues in the world.
basilexile
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That would have upset his income streams and his profile on TV. His comments are purely political and I suggest he puts himself up for Parliament and takes the major pay cut that will follow. Put up, or shut up.matt le ‘tis said an interesting thing. Gary L is very selective about speaking out against things HE sees as wrong but didn’t say a word about the World Cup held in that dreadful state. He was happy to be involved in coverage and ignore human rights and their treatment of gays
basilexile
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I am very glad that you can equate wishing to pay his taxes, with taking HMRC to court to get the money back. That one is really above my intelligence level.
Calling people a jerk because they have a different view to you, is probably better done under parliamentary privilege
L’étranger
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Unfortunately this is probably only the beginning.
The government, aided by their backers in the media, are hell bent on confecting some sort of culture war over race, immigration, etc.
By creating another bogeyman, to try and persuade a certain section of the electorate to vote for them against their best interests, is probably the best chance they’ve got of winning the next election.
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rockontommy
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Sums up the whole woke project in a nutshell. An ersatz set of values which tell you nothing at all about the person showing them off.
Macseasider
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The BBC just cannot help themselves.
Kussenberg this morning has pulled out former BBC boss Mark Thompson onto her show. He says that Greg Dyche's claims that Gary Lineker hasn't broken any guidelines is wrong. He says there is an extra paragraph in the impartiality guidelines that says anyone "high profile must be impartial" and therefore Gary is guilty.
What a load of crap. I suggest that guideline was created for senior managers such as the role he used to fill himself, not a football presenter. And who decides what is "high profile" when the rest of the guidance eliminates all departments other than news and politics.
Despite the complete fuck up they have made they STILL show complete bias wheeling this guy out to condemn Gary Lineker live on air without the right of reply or to debate. And all of this with the smiling Chief of Propaganda Kussenberg sat there grinning at him looking all smug like between them they have "nailed him".
Kussenberg this morning has pulled out former BBC boss Mark Thompson onto her show. He says that Greg Dyche's claims that Gary Lineker hasn't broken any guidelines is wrong. He says there is an extra paragraph in the impartiality guidelines that says anyone "high profile must be impartial" and therefore Gary is guilty.
What a load of crap. I suggest that guideline was created for senior managers such as the role he used to fill himself, not a football presenter. And who decides what is "high profile" when the rest of the guidance eliminates all departments other than news and politics.
Despite the complete fuck up they have made they STILL show complete bias wheeling this guy out to condemn Gary Lineker live on air without the right of reply or to debate. And all of this with the smiling Chief of Propaganda Kussenberg sat there grinning at him looking all smug like between them they have "nailed him".
glasshalffull
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It does at least reinforce the impression that HMG have been heavily leaning on the BBC over this doesn’t it?
TangerineBayern
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ersatz
glasshalffull
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PS. It looks like Rishi is a big fan of Gary’s all of a sudden! Didn’t see that one coming I must admit. It looks like the mass display of solidarity over the weekend might have made it a problem for the Government as well as the BBC?
Macseasider
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Yeah all climbing down now they've seen the public outrage. BBC commissioner also climbing down creeping up to Lineker saying they want him back on the TV. Only because all the other presenters have stood down in solidarity. If they hadn't they'd have probably sacked him.
Pathetic the lot of them.
Wizaard
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What part of challenging the assessment don't you understand? They've based their decision on what he sees as wrong information.
Wizaard
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All brought on by Conservative politics.
They can't judge a room to save their lives.
Curryman
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It would appear that once again bullying by a few, or is it solidarity, will win, over common sense. Neither side are coming out of this with flying colours , and the amount of news-time it has taken up when there is so much news about is unbelievable.
Macseasider
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"Bullying"? Ha ha.
And the Tory party want this fiasco all over the media as it deters from the public talking about the rest of the mess they've got going on.
Wizaard
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The whole BBC sports department isn't bullying presenters and production staff into supporting a colleague.
The bullying comes from ministers telling the BBC bosses, all Tories, what to do. Also makes a mockery of the lefty BBC claims.
Backfired spectacularly and ultimately makes what Lineker said more relevant.
Shutting down of dissenting voices as well as scapegoating of foreigners is exactly the language of Germany in the 30s.
Curryman
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Or, was it brought about by one man spouting out political views against the policy of his employer?
Wizaard
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He's a freelance not an employee.
Is he not allowed views?
If Braverman hadn't made a fuss and forced the BBC to suspend him, when the policy you refer to isn't clear, this would not be in the news.
Wizaard
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There are different policies for permanent and contractors in every industry.
Curryman
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I seem to remember there was an outcry about this going on some years ago, BBC employees deciding to go freelance so they could channel their income through personal service companies, meaning they do not have income tax and national insurance contributions deducted at source. Now are these workers Torries, Labour, Lib Dem, Green or any other, and are they just playing the system to avoid taxation?
Wizaard
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If he, Chapman, Wright, Scott, Richards etc etc weren't contractors they wouldn't be on the BBC as they'd be sticking with Sky and BT Sport who will undoubtedly pay better.
As I understand it, they do pay tax. Avoidance is a brave charge to make.
Curryman
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"When a person is contracted in this way it is their responsibility to organise their tax arrangements directly with the HMRC. This is entirely in keeping with HMRC regulations and is standard practice across broadcasting and many other industries."
The BBC has been sensitive to the tax status of its staff since the so-called "Armanigate" scandal in 1993, when it was revealed that then director general John Birt was actually employed on a freelance basis, through his own company, John Birt Productions.
It was alleged that this substantially reduced Birt's tax bill because he could claim personal expenditure, such as his Armani suits, against tax.
As we all know, the Guardian tells the truth, unlike other papers.
Not a charge, just a question and here's a quote from the Guardian.
"When a person is contracted in this way it is their responsibility to organise their tax arrangements directly with the HMRC. This is entirely in keeping with HMRC regulations and is standard practice across broadcasting and many other industries."
The BBC has been sensitive to the tax status of its staff since the so-called "Armanigate" scandal in 1993, when it was revealed that then director general John Birt was actually employed on a freelance basis, through his own company, John Birt Productions.
It was alleged that this substantially reduced Birt's tax bill because he could claim personal expenditure, such as his Armani suits, against tax.
As we all know, the Guardian tells the truth, unlike other papers.
Curryman
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If you are referring to me, I'm in no way defending the Government, and I would add that by using diversion tactics and attempting to shift the discussion doesn't work with me. It is a typical strategy used when someone has nothing to add to the conversation, and on that note I'm off for my lunch and then out for a good while since the sun is shining.