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If you are referring to me, I'm in no way defending the Government, and I would add that by using diversion tactics and attempting to shift the discussion doesn't work with me. It is a typical strategy used when someone has nothing to add to the conversation, and on that note I'm off for my lunch and then out for a good while since the sun
My post wasn’t directed just at your posts in particular, more in general at the posters who have brought Lineker’s tax situation into focus.
In my opinion it’s a bit hypocritical considering many members of this government’s shall we say dubious tax arrangements.

I hope you enjoy your lunch and walk👍
 
You may be but don’t kid yourself that’s generally true for most on here.
The hypocrisy is stark.
It’s clear most are defending Lineker purely cos he’s against the Government.
If these posters were stoic supporters of free speech they’d have been on the side of the guy who got sacked for flying the ‘all lives matter’ banner. And Katy Hopkins. And JK Rowling and and Tommy Robinson and Sharon Davies etc etc etc.
Most thinking people are against this current administration because they are specifically targeting basic freedoms, right to strike, freedom of expression and implementing policies that even they know are contrary to international laws.
 
You’re either struggling to grasp the concept (that when you work for a paymaster there’s obligations and responsibilities) or you’re ignoring it for the convenience of your own bias. He knows the rules. He breaks them. There’s consequences. It’s simple.
Like I explained to you the other day those obligations and responsibilities are not absolute. The BBC think they can step into people's personal lives, which is an overreach. Imagine if your employer or a work colleague decided to out you for your comments on this platform because your employer thinks they have a right to control what you say in your personal speech outside of work
 
What part of challenging the assessment don't you understand? They've based their decision on what he sees as wrong information.
This is the argument that most freelancers use to avoid paying tax. Ir35 should have put a stop to it, but it appears that the more you have the more you want to keep. Meanwhile most of his 9.7m witter (not an error) followers have no alternative than to pay their tax through PAYE.
Ironic that he is trying to keep even more of taxpayers money.
 
I haven't read any of the posts in this thread. All I would say is firstly that the subject in question is far far more complex than Gary Lineker makes it out to be, secondly that Jewish people should be outraged at his childish and crass comparison of their relatives suffering and execution by the nazis to the government's housing of immigrants in four star hotels and thirdly that Lineker childishly proffers criticism but no solution to the problem that the government is trying to deal with, a typical left wing trait. He has challenged his bosses and they have no alternative other than to terminate his contract. Not a problem with a 300% salary increase waiting in the freelance world for him, but the BBC must be seen to make a stand for its principles.
 
I haven't read any of the posts in this thread. All I would say is firstly that the subject in question is far far more complex than Gary Lineker makes it out to be, secondly that Jewish people should be outraged at his childish and crass comparison of their relatives suffering and execution by the nazis to the government's housing of immigrants in four star hotels and thirdly that Lineker childishly proffers criticism but no solution to the problem that the government is trying to deal with, a typical left wing trait. He has challenged his bosses and they have no alternative other than to terminate his contract. Not a problem with a 300% salary increase waiting in the freelance world for him, but the BBC must be seen to make a stand for its principles.
There is so much ill-informed comment there it's not worth the effort other than to say it's all wrong.
 
There is so much ill-informed comment there it's not worth the effort other than to say it's all wrong.
Still think of all the replies earning revenue for 1966's bar tab at The Jolly Tars. He gets a penny for every post on this board didn't he tell you?😜
 
Most thinking people are against this current administration because they are specifically targeting basic freedoms, right to strike, freedom of expression and implementing policies that even they know are contrary to international laws.

I disagree.
Many countries, including those within the much loved EU, have employment laws regarding strike action which is akin to what this Government is trying to introduce. It’s about having a minimum level of essential service, not generally denying the right to strike.
These laws, given that they exist in other countries, are clearly not contrary to international law. There may be some truth in that with other issues you’ve mentioned but you’ve mentioned strike action in the same breath, so that’s misleading and wrong.
 
Like I explained to you the other day those obligations and responsibilities are not absolute. The BBC think they can step into people's personal lives, which is an overreach. Imagine if your employer or a work colleague decided to out you for your comments on this platform because your employer thinks they have a right to control what you say in your personal speech outside of work

It’s not so clear cut. An employer can indeed take disciplinary action against an employee if they comment on something on social media which were to bring the employer into disrepute.
 
There is so much ill-informed comment there it's not worth the effort other than to say it's all wrong.

Which part do you think is ill-informed? Is it that the subject is far far more complex than Gary Lineker makes it out to be? Or that Jewish people have the right to be outraged at Lineker's comparison of the government's proposals to Nazi Germany? Or that Lineker offers no solutions, just criticism? Or is it all wrong?
 
Which part do you think is ill-informed? Is it that the subject is far far more complex than Gary Lineker makes it out to be? Or that Jewish people have the right to be outraged at Lineker's comparison of the government's proposals to Nazi Germany? Or that Lineker offers no solutions, just criticism? Or is it all wrong?
1. He hasn't had his contract terminated
2. Lineker didn't compare the proposals to Nazi Germany, or mention Nazis.
3. Are Jewish people outraged?

For starters.
 
Ok well I misunderstood you.
A week is a long time in politics. I wouldn’t get too confident about the next election just yet.
When Rishi and Macron were agreeing on joint actions to tackle the boat crossings I didn’t hear anyone criticising Macron.
They had a mature meeting of two leaders and they weren’t afraid to tackle problem with illegal immigration. Rishi is mending relationships with the French, and that’s to his credit.
BFC are screwed. We replaced Appleton with a guy who had lost his previous 10 championship matches. Now he’s won one only with us out of 10. That’s one win in 20.
So he’s not good enough from a statistical perspective. Factors affecting that are the strength of the squad. It’s a load of league 1 players punching above their weight.
They gave it everything to scrape a draw with Burnley. They raised their game spurred on by the home crowd. But they’re not consistent. They can’t do it consistently at this level. And they can’t score enough. We’re doomed.
Not completely Malced. At least we'll have a Labour Government next year.
 
This is the argument that most freelancers use to avoid paying tax. Ir35 should have put a stop to it, but it appears that the more you have the more you want to keep. Meanwhile most of his 9.7m witter (not an error) followers have no alternative than to pay their tax through PAYE.
Ironic that he is trying to keep even more of taxpayers money.
Avoid paying tax? No freelancer avoids tax via IR35 they still pay corporation tax and personal tax. They don't get holiday pay either!
 
I disagree.
Many countries, including those within the much loved EU, have employment laws regarding strike action which is akin to what this Government is trying to introduce. It’s about having a minimum level of essential service, not generally denying the right to strike.
These laws, given that they exist in other countries, are clearly not contrary to international law. There may be some truth in that with other issues you’ve mentioned but you’ve mentioned strike action in the same breath, so that’s misleading and wrong.
You really are quite good at extrapolating one comment into several others. I didn't put strike action in with international laws, it's not misleading unless you deliberately misread what I wrote.

Also, which country in the EU has made strike action illegal. The idea that an individual or a group are prohibited from taking collective action against employers is pushing towards bonded labour,

If you were to bring your employer into disrepute I agree could lead to disciplinary action or dismissal, but espousing a personal political opinion could never reach the point where it could rise to disciplinary action unless the company in question or it's management is / are completely unreasonable.
 
You really are quite good at extrapolating one comment into several others. I didn't put strike action in with international laws, it's not misleading unless you deliberately misread what I wrote.

Also, which country in the EU has made strike action illegal. The idea that an individual or a group are prohibited from taking collective action against employers is pushing towards bonded labour,

If you were to bring your employer into disrepute I agree could lead to disciplinary action or dismissal, but espousing a personal political opinion could never reach the point where it could rise to disciplinary action unless the company in question or it's management is / are completely unreasonable.
Some are quite happy tugging forelocks and going back to the good old days of serfdom when we knew our place.
 
Three things going on here, first free speech we all have it but it is subject to the laws of the land you re in and the organisation's policies which you may be working for or agreed to accept. 2nd the content of the offending tweet which did not label anyone as far as I can see a fascist/ racist but drew attention to the similarity in the language used by the Nazis in 1930 and now. 3rd the IR35 thing it is used to reduce the tax liability due to an individual/organisation. Finally find it amusing that Micah Richards, Jermaine Jenus want a pat on the back for not doing something they weren't going to do anyway. Not GL's biggest fan on the punditry front but think he has been harshly treated by the BBC under pressure from the right wring of the Tory party.
 
You really are quite good at extrapolating one comment into several others. I didn't put strike action in with international laws, it's not misleading unless you deliberately misread what I wrote.

Also, which country in the EU has made strike action illegal. The idea that an individual or a group are prohibited from taking collective action against employers is pushing towards bonded labour,

If you were to bring your employer into disrepute I agree could lead to disciplinary action or dismissal, but espousing a personal political opinion could never reach the point where it could rise to disciplinary action unless the company in question or it's management is / are completely unreasonable.

Well communication is a two-way process. You might want to think about making separate points in different sentences otherwise it's all merged into one, and you're unclear in your meaning. (I dread to think what the legal letters you helped write looked like. Hopefully the lawyers looked at them before the signed them. :) )
So you referenced basic freedoms, strike action and then policies which are against the law in one sentence. These things seem very very closely linked to me, but you say I extrapolated.
You also in your latest reply then seem to have an issue with the Government's legal stance in comparison to the EU by asking which EU countries have made strike action illegal, which indicates you indeed have an issue with the legalities of restricting strike action. So was I right to infer that, from your earlier post, when you referenced it in the same sentence as referencing to policies which breach the law, or not? You say not, but then you seem to have an issue with exactly that in your latest reply. So please be clearer and consistent rather than trying to accuse me of extrapolation.
With regards to extrapolating, you've certainly extrapolated when you ask me which countries have made strike action illegal. I didn't say any country had. I said there were laws in EU countries which are there to limit strike action to ensure there's a minimum service with certain critical public services. I'm not giving you a list of the countries. You can look it up yourself. The point is you seem to be exorcised by the concept of a Government legislating to ensure there's a minimum service, yet this is common across many nations.

There's ways of espousing political opinion which can be extreme and can cause offence and upset. That can very much lead to disciplinary action. In the case of Lineker, he was not only offensive to some with the tone of his comments, but he knows the BBC insists on impartiality. He was warned, He didn't desist. He's in a mess of his own making presumably cos he thought he was above the rules.
 
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Three things going on here, first free speech we all have it but it is subject to the laws of the land you re in and the organisation's policies which you may be working for or agreed to accept. 2nd the content of the offending tweet which did not label anyone as far as I can see a fascist/ racist but drew attention to the similarity in the language used by the Nazis in 1930 and now. 3rd the IR35 thing it is used to reduce the tax liability due to an individual/organisation. Finally find it amusing that Micah Richards, Jermaine Jenus want a pat on the back for not doing something they weren't going to do anyway. Not GL's biggest fan on the punditry front but think he has been harshly treated by the BBC under pressure from the right wring of the Tory party.
To say that is a quantum leap from any of the comments on here is an understatement.
 
Well communication is a two-way process. You might want to think about making separate points in different sentences otherwise it's all merged into one, and you're unclear in your meaning. (I dread to think what the legal letters you helped write looked like. Hopefully the lawyers looked at them before the signed them. :) )
So you referenced basic freedoms, strike action and then policies which are against the law in one sentence. These things seem very very closely linked to me, but you say I extrapolated.
You also in your latest reply then seem to have an issue with the Government's legal stance in comparison to the EU by asking which EU countries have made strike action illegal, which indicates you indeed have an issue with the legalities of restricting strike action. So was I right to infer that, from your earlier post, when you referenced it in the same sentence as referencing to policies which breach the law, or not? You say not, but then you seem to have an issue with exactly that in your latest reply. So please be clearer and consistent rather than trying to accuse me of extrapolation.
With regards to extrapolating, you've certainly extrapolated when you ask me which countries have made strike action illegal. I didn't say any country had. I said there were laws in EU countries which are there to limit strike action to ensure there's a minimum service with certain critical public services. I'm not giving you a list of the countries. You can look it up yourself. The point is you seem to be exorcised by the concept of a Government legislating to ensure there's a minimum service, yet this is common across many nations.

There's ways of espousing political opinion which can be extreme and can cause offence and upset. That can very much lead to disciplinary action. In the case of Lineker, he was not only offensive to some with the tone of his comments, but he knows the BBC insists on impartiality. He was warned, He didn't desist. He's in a mess of his own making presumably cos he thought he was above the rules.
I’m not sure you can criticise the construction of someone’s posts when you conflate the word “donor” with the word “investor”.
 
Well communication is a two-way process. You might want to think about making separate points in different sentences otherwise it's all merged into one, and you're unclear in your meaning. (I dread to think what the legal letters you helped write looked like. Hopefully the lawyers looked at them before the signed them. :) )
So you referenced basic freedoms, strike action and then policies which are against the law in one sentence. These things seem very very closely linked to me, but you say I extrapolated.
You also in your latest reply then seem to have an issue with the Government's legal stance in comparison to the EU by asking which EU countries have made strike action illegal, which indicates you indeed have an issue with the legalities of restricting strike action. So was I right to infer that, from your earlier post, when you referenced it in the same sentence as referencing to policies which breach the law, or not? You say not, but then you seem to have an issue with exactly that in your latest reply. So please be clearer and consistent rather than trying to accuse me of extrapolation.
With regards to extrapolating, you've certainly extrapolated when you ask me which countries have made strike action illegal. I didn't say any country had. I said there were laws in EU countries which are there to limit strike action to ensure there's a minimum service with certain critical public services. I'm not giving you a list of the countries. You can look it up yourself. The point is you seem to be exorcised by the concept of a Government legislating to ensure there's a minimum service, yet this is common across many nations.

There's ways of espousing political opinion which can be extreme and can cause offence and upset. That can very much lead to disciplinary action. In the case of Lineker, he was not only offensive to some with the tone of his comments, but he knows the BBC insists on impartiality. He was warned, He didn't desist. He's in a mess of his own making presumably cos he thought he was above the rules.
“He’s in a mess of his own making” 😀.
The only ones in a mess over this are the chinless wonders running the BBC!
 
Statement from the BBC:

"The potential confusion caused by the grey area of the BBC`s social media guidance that was introduced in 2020 is recognized."

So there was no objective all encompassing "impartiality clause" after all.

The BBC have acknowledged they had a nebulous and variable guideline that was subject to the whims and howls of confected outrage from the media and the government.

Hope that clears it up for some on here who spent a lot of time arguing the contrary...;)
 
Statement from the BBC:

"The potential confusion caused by the grey area of the BBC`s social media guidance that was introduced in 2020 is recognized."

So there was no objective all encompassing "impartiality clause" after all.

The BBC have acknowledged they had a nebulous and variable guideline that was subject to the whims and howls of confected outrage from the media and the government.

Hope that clears it up for some on here who spent a lot of time arguing the contrary...;)
The only ones specifically subject to any impartiality clause are the news and current affairs staff.

As I think some of us said 4 days ago.
 
No one is irreplaceable, not even Lineker.
They should have sacked him and replaced him with some one else.
After a couple of weeks he won't be missed.
Also, as he broke the rules of the BBC, no pay off.
 
His get out of jail free card! Do not pass go (or apologise) do not collect your £100 (ha ha ha) etc etc etc.
 
This will upset the rwnjs on here and also a number of right wing Tory MPs.

"Sports presenter Gary Lineker has won his appeal against HMRC over a £4.9m tax bill.

The UK tax authority pursued the star over taxes on income from both the BBC and BT Sport from 2013 to 2014 and 2017 to 2018.
Lineker presents BBC's Match of the Day and used to also work for BT Sport.

HMRC said he was an employee of both broadcasters but a judge has now ruled he was a freelancer and had contracts with both broadcasters.

"The effect of my conclusions is that because there were direct contracts, between the BBC and Mr Lineker and BT Sport and Mr Lineker, the intermediaries legislation (IR35) does not, and cannot as a matter of law, apply," Tribunal Judge Brooks said in a statement.

"Accordingly, and notwithstanding GLM (Gary Lineker Media) being a partnership, that is the end of the matter and the appeal succeeds."

IR35 is designed to clampdown on tax avoidance by so-called disguised employees, who charge for their services via limited companies.

Mr Lineker's spokesperson said: "I am pleased that the tribunal has confirmed that I have not failed to pay any taxes or national insurance by reason of the IR35 rules."

GARY 2 - GOVERNMENT 0.

Another brilliant performance from Sir Gary.
 
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