What does Liniker have on the BBC?

No. Not at all. And if you look further up the thread you’ll find I’ve already commented on that. 👍

I think i said the DG should hold even higher standards as he’s the one that sets the example and sets the tone. He’s been foolish in my opinion and it doesn’t look good to me. I’d support whatever disciplinary action including being relieved of his post if any investigation proved that was warranted. It stinks to me. He should have resigned cos he too is causing the BBC some reputational damage.
 
If he just disagreed with the policy that wouldn’t be so bad but comparing with Hitlers Germany is very offensive

He was actually comparing the language used and how it can lead to disadvantaged people being dehumanised, stigmatised and then being targeted.
We have already seen far right groups start to organise and try to intimidate asylum seekers around hotels and camps etc (nothing too serious so far granted), but it is probably not as far off as you might think from how it all started in Germany in the 30’s. Not saying it will end up the same way of course!!
 
He's effectively a public servant, the code of conduct prohibits what he's doing.

He needs to be sacked for gross misconduct.

He can then continue to spout his political extremism as much as likes
He's not a public servant at all. If anything these days he's a journalist.
 
I'm no legal expert. Are you? Common sense dictates that it isn't illegal. Publicly funded corporations and organisations have long-standing impartiality clauses. I'd be very surprised if these were discovered to be illegal after all these decades of their usage. The civil service serves the Government and the population. The civil servants support whatever political party is in Government in an impartial way. They're not allowed to get political. The BBC is a publicly funded broadcaster. The funding comes from license payers of all political backgrounds. So the BBC stays impartial. It's not a difficult concept.

There's no such thing as free speech unless you're speaking to yourself in a darkened room. Apart from that there's always the audience and the context to consider. We all tailor our speech depending on who is present, unless we have a serious personality disorder. All we say has to be within the law - the actual law I mean; not laws you've invented to retrospectively forbid impartiality clauses for the convenience of this debate. If you are working for the MOD or the Armed Forces or the civil service you will be bound by the Official Secrets Act. This Act impinges on your free speech.
In the hierarchy of free-speech constraints, one down from the law is rules. Someone working for a company developing a product can't go about blabbing about the product when it's in development and when its commercially sensitive. They will have agreed to a confidentiality clause. But that would limit the free speech of an employee surely? Well - yes, but there's no such thing a pure free speech. When you take money off an employer there's rules. When you contract with an organisation and take their money, there's rules and obligations on both sides.
Lineker is the face of BBC Sport. He has a responsibility to the BBC to remain impartial and not bring the corporation into disrepute. He hasn't stayed impartial, and arguably he's brought the BBC into disrepute by using inflammatory comments referencing the Nazis. He's a grade A bell-end in my opinion, but my opinion matters not a jot. What's pertinent is whether the BBC will turn a blind eye, or enforce their impartiality rule. We will see.
If the BBC tried to dictate to all of their presenters regarding what they say and do outside of work they would quickly run out of presenters.
By the way - all UK citizens are bound by the official secrets act.
 
So you want to cancel him then? Freedom of speech if it agrees with you, otherwise shut up.
Umm, I wasn't aware I had made a direct comment about FOS.
I don't agree with what Jug Ears said, pretty inflammatory statement with my ethical and moral way of thinking.
I don't like Lineker, and although he has a right to pass a comment because of our laws, I certainly don't agree he uses a world social platform on the back of his position with the BBC to make such an uneducated comment.
Hes made an opinion, as have I, if that's ok with you?
 
He was actually comparing the language used and how it can lead to disadvantaged people being dehumanised, stigmatised and then being targeted.
We have already seen far right groups start to organise and try to intimidate asylum seekers around hotels and camps etc (nothing too serious so far granted), but it is probably not as far off as you might think from how it all started in Germany in the 30’s. Not saying it will end up the same way of course!!
Not too long ago a bloke tried to blow up one of these camps.


 
In other news, the BBC are not going to broadcast an episode of David Attenborough's new series on Wildlife in Britain because it chooses to look at rewilding, something attacked by the Torygraph.
 
Excellent. He has to step back until agreement reached on social media use.
Now he might realise he can’t just do what he wants whilst drawing the huge salary and defying his employer.
 
If the BBC tried to dictate to all of their presenters regarding what they say and do outside of work they would quickly run out of presenters.
By the way - all UK citizens are bound by the official secrets act.
Yeah right. They could fund 50 with his salary alone.
 
I'll remember next time. Lineker, much like it's not Winker it's a number of things including yes you've got it, Winter, 🤭
 

Funny how if the left call for someone to be blocked it's a disgrace and a breach o freedom of speech, along with snowflake wokery

Someone points out that dehumanising a sector of society is using similar tactics to the Germany of the 30s and it's scandalous.

The right are using the blocking of dissension to meet their ends. That is the real scandal and indeed, exactly the tactics of Germany in the 30s.
 
Excellent. He has to step back until agreement reached on social media use.
Now he might realise he can’t just do what he wants whilst drawing the huge salary and defying his employer.

Probably you are right, but I guess it does come down to the actual terms of his contract, or possibly the interpretation of those terms.
Sounds like there is some dispute about that as he has only been asked to step back while it is sorted out. It might even end up in court I suppose?
I would be worried though if the terms of his contract have not been breached and this has been caused by the Government leaning on the BBC.
Just have to wait and see what emerges I suppose.

PS BBC calling it a ‘breach of their guidelines rather than contract’.
 
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It’s quite simple, the BBC demands impartiality, if you show your colours even off air, people know what you stand for, ergo, you’re not impartial.
What does it matter when your programme is talking about football, nothing more, nothing less?

If he'd come out and said ban all immigration from small boats we wouldn't be having this conversation.
 
What does it matter when your programme is talking about football, nothing more, nothing less?

If he'd come out and said ban all immigration from small boats we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Ridiculous if true, I'm looking forward to that series and will certainly watch the sixth episode. It could be said that as a member of the RSPB I have a duty to watch it.
 
Lot of politics in play now.

Government pressuring the BBC to act, and a minor local difficulty is inflated into a national `culture war` issue.

Will probably escalate over the weekend and the Government may live to regret this.

I suspect Lineker will have the majority of the people behind him...
 
It’s quite simple, the BBC demands impartiality, if you show your colours even off air, people know what you stand for, ergo, you’re not impartial.
It is no longer impartial in any way. Chairman donates to Tories, DG Tory Appointed, Governors 9/12 appointed by Boris. Fiona Bruce has politicised QT, Lineker stands down because of a tweet at home. Yeah, right
 
It's kind of funny that the right are so insecure in their views that they seek to shut down anyone who questions them. What does Lineker represent that they hate so much? Btw, I do remember him saying when he was a player that he voted Tory - this was in Thatchers time.
 
In other news Fiona Bruce on QT last night described Stanley Johnson breaking his wife's nose as a 'one off'. I find this condoning and minimising of domestic violence on national TV far worse than Lineker's supposed impartiality on another platform. Will Bruce be taken off air?

The answer is that she is married to a major Tory donor.
You're not an abuser if you only break your wife's nose once apparently.
 
It’s quite simple, the BBC demands impartiality, if you show your colours even off air, people know what you stand for, ergo, you’re not impartial.

Seems not to be the case if you are a Sports Presenter?

BBC Impartiality Guidelines:

“BBC staff and regular presenters associated with news and public-policy related output may offer professional judgements rooted in evidence. However, it is not normally appropriate for them to present or write personal view content on public policy, matters of political or industrial controversy or “controversial subjects” in any area.

No wonder there is an ongoing dispute!
 
Hope Mark’Chappers’ Chapman’ comes out in solidarity as well, and refuses to appear if asked!
 
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His comments seemed perfectly valid at first viewing, but subsequent VAR analysis shows that he had, unfortunately, just crossed the line….
 
Looks like this tiger might just turn around and bite them on the arris.
Who the feck wants the gig now?
 
I’m surprised so many left leaning individuals are so keen to be bed fellows with a white privileged hard-left over 60s multi-millionaire arrogant male. But then again what am I saying. It’s Corbyn all over again. 🤣🤣😮
 
I’m surprised so many left leaning individuals are so keen to be bed fellows with a white privileged hard-left over 60s multi-millionaire arrogant male. But then again what am I saying. It’s Corbyn all over again. 🤣🤣😮
We are defending his right to free speech whether or not we agree with what he said. It's about defending core British values.
 
We are defending his right to free speech whether or not we agree with what he said. It's about defending core British values.

You may be but don’t kid yourself that’s generally true for most on here.
The hypocrisy is stark.
It’s clear most are defending Lineker purely cos he’s against the Government.
If these posters were stoic supporters of free speech they’d have been on the side of the guy who got sacked for flying the ‘all lives matter’ banner. And Katy Hopkins. And JK Rowling and and Tommy Robinson and Sharon Davies etc etc etc.
 
You may be but don’t kid yourself that’s generally true for most on here.
The hypocrisy is stark.
It’s clear most are defending Lineker purely cos he’s against the Government.
If these posters were stoic supporters of free speech they’d have been on the side of the guy who got sacked for flying the ‘all lives matter’ banner. And Katy Hopkins. And JK Rowling and and Tommy Robinson and Sharon Davies etc etc etc.
Not forgetting Jeremy Clarkson. But it's not about politics is it. It's about free speech
 
Except that the us and them bollox is what GL was (hopefully) attempting to highlight in the language being used. Hitler and his cronies started this differentiation very early in their campaigns to gain power and ultimately murder incomprehensible numbers of people who were ‘different’, mostly Jews but also gay, Roma, disabled (children god bless them), catholics etc. In terms of how genocides happen this differentiation is always the first step and I think GL was alluding to that. I don’t believe our current political system is attempting to generate that - though social media may have you believe otherwise (a lot of it driven by foreign ‘bots’). The point is, and to badly misquote The Manic Street Preachers ‘If you tolerate this…’. Use of language is important. It can kill and heal in equal measure when someone who knows what they are doing manipulates it to their desired end-state. Accepting a walk on by attitude to the overtly negative differentiation of any grouping is the first step down a dark road - and if people think this all perished in the Camps of WW2 - think again. Just look at Ukraine. People have the right to voice opinion and the moral obligation to speak out against things that are plain wrong - and I’m not saying controlling immigration is wrong. I just don’t think demonising people is acceptable. The explicit or implicit use of ‘they’ or ‘them’ is doing exactly that.

So I agree Lytham 👍🏻😀
Good post. Lineker was criticising some of the language used in the Bill.
 
read the front page of the proposed bill it says that the Secretary of State (Braverman) can not guarantee the bill is legal under ECHR.
Now if you want to leave the above court and join the other two pariah states Russia and their puppet Belarus then yes its legal.
By the Winston Churchill and Britain were the first signatories in 1948 in the aftermath of WW2.
They know full well it’s not legal and they have no intention of leaving the ECHR either.
but when it is thrown out of the courts they can then blame judges, lefty lawyers, civil servants blah blah blah.
It’s a desperate attempt to turn the polls round because if they don’t the Tory party are heading for electoral oblivion.
Spot on.
 
Not forgetting Jeremy Clarkson. But it's not about politics is it. It's about free speech

Not sure what your point is. I’m no fan of Jeremy Clarkson. And I think he found himself on the wrote side of free speech recently.

I’m certainly not political when it comes to free speech. I don’t mind anyone speaking against the Government. In fact I welcome it. What I don’t like is people taking huge salaries and even when they’ve been warned by the one paying them, they continue to act as if they’re above the rules.
If Lineker wants to shout his politics from the rooftops then good luck to him. But he can’t do so when taking money off the BBC. It’s simple.

If that’s not been consistently enforced in the past then that doesn’t in itself mean it shouldn’t be enforced now.
 
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