UNDERWHELMING

voyeur said:
Similarities but Critch has been in post for 3 weeks so you'd hope some work and planning has been going on behind the scenes. And the club isn't in the same state of shock and confusion. And we are in L1 not the Championship. And I think Critch is more sorted in terms of knowing what will work and more capable of making it work. And we are far more competitive in the L1 market than the Championship market - we couldn't get what we needed on permanent contracts so we had to wait for Prem teams to agree loans with us. We signed some pretty good loan players last year but they only really started to show us their ability when Dobbie took over, far too late. We were undermined by the loss of the DM and defensive stability, kids in central midfield, confidence drained.
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A lot of ands in there Voy.😉 Valid points but if we don’t act this season rather than react like we did last, we may find ourselves behind the 8 ball again.
 
TANGERINETOWERPOWER said:
OK I know its early days but we dont even seem to be linked with any quality players and the communication blackout probably isnt helping. The big question is will we sell Yates and use that money to strengthen or leave it too late again to find a suitable replacement. If this squad (without Yates) is the main nucleus of the first team then in my opinion we are a long way away from a serious and credible automatic promotion winning team.

I would like some intent of investment before Jerry goes as in my eyes we have never re invested the Bowler and Critchley money...if we invest that and anything we get from Yates then that should garner the requisite improvement.

Although spending money is no guarantee of massive improvement, spending none seems to be a good indicator that you are going backwards and in our case downwards. I would love to see some real intent over the next 10 days or I am going to be less than impressed.

Maybe I am just a self entitled fan and should just accept that we really are "little old Blackpool" as many fans seem happy that way. For now I will hope that the owner's ambition matches my own as to date things dont look great.
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Don't think you're ridiculous for wanting the club to be as ambitious as possible, we all should as fans.

But I think not being linked to players is not a cause for concern or reason to be underwhelmed.

We were linked to all sorts of players last Summer, but barely had any good deals come off, most of the links that are dropped are by agents through people like Nixon who are just trying to help their client get a better deal.

The most productive window in recent memory was in the Summer of 2020 when we signed Keshi, Marvin, CJ, Jerry, Garbutt, Kenny, etc. and the majority of those key signings weren't reported on (with the exception of Jerry) until they were announced.

The club have been burned in the past by allowing information to flow to the public so perhaps they're taking a different approach? Regardless, we are still in the early period of the window (the first signing of that 2020 Summer Window wasn't until June 29th!) and have all of our targets and business in front of us.

We have our manager, coaching staff, and DOF in place so let's let them cook. If there aren't any signings this time next month, I'd be VERY worried, but as of now we're still in a decent spot. Any tension people are feeling will be eased when we make that first signing.

UTMP 🍊
 
voyeur said:
If...But...Nah.

He was like a rabbit in headlights from day one. "Blackpool over achieved last season..blah blah."
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I tend to agree re this.

MA is possibly a decent coach. His CV suggests he is and he is well thought of in the game.

However the players you are coaching need to be motivated. You don't motivate them by suggesting they have overachieved because that suggests that fundamentally they were not really good enough . Overachieving suggests there's a bit of luck involved.

Holloway on the other hand drilled into our players that they were good enough that other teams were not better than us etc.

If you can instill that belief into anyone you then use that as a basis to push on.

Successful managers also have to have a bit of personality about them or if they don't have it other individuals in the management team need to have it. I didnt see that with Appleton or his assistants at all. Too serious . Too rigid.

When the training ground couldnt be used Holloway took his players to the casino ! You'd never see Appleton doing that. Hes just not that type.

Critch doesnt exactly come across as he life and soul of any party admittedly but he at least shows a bit of passion on the touchline and i reckon hes got a different side to him.
 
AngelBFC said:
Critch doesnt exactly come across as he life and soul of any party admittedly but he at least shows a bit of passion on the touchline and i reckon hes got a different side to him.
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Critch has a positivity about him. He never ever talked us down once. He also had confidence and belief. The players believed in Critch and the system and the preparation. I think that belief drained out of the players last season. Because MA didn't believe, and the system was more hopeful than thought out and realistic. A lot of our fans criticised the Critch system but let's face it w had the cheapest squad in the league and Critch had to work with what he had, and he worked out something that worked. Well enough to keep us in games and snatch points against anybody in the division. More open flamboyant football is always preferable but costs money.
 
Things are certainly starting to move transfer wise, I notice that Portsmouth have signed 4 in the last two days. Still all a bit tumbleweed from us at the moment, complete radio silence, only time will tell if that's good news or bad.
 
Yarmouth Seasider said:
Things are certainly starting to move transfer wise, I notice that Portsmouth have signed 4 in the last two days. Still all a bit tumbleweed from us at the moment, complete radio silence, only time will tell if that's good news or bad.
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And we bring one in this afternoon. I’m going to do a post in the morning so we hopefully go out and get another player over dinnertime. It seems to work.
 
Yarmouth Seasider said:
Things are certainly starting to move transfer wise, I notice that Portsmouth have signed 4 in the last two days. Still all a bit tumbleweed from us at the moment, complete radio silence, only time will tell if that's good news or bad.
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It’s a need to know basis, and it looks like they think we don’t need to know
 
I wouldn’t be surprised if we see a very young starting 11 out next season. Potentially to avoid the injury mess of last year and also, due to Critchley’s CV.
 
Funny coming back on here after a bit and reading this thread after we sign someone *checks notes* a whopping day into the transfer window.

People calling for the social media team to be sacked for doing their job and keeping people abreast of friendlies, club shop deals etc and maintaining engagement. It's hardly edge of your seat stuff, but what are they supposed to do, just leave it dormant unless it's a signing?
 
thefutureistangerine said:
Funny coming back on here after a bit and reading this thread after we sign someone *checks notes* a whopping day into the transfer window.

People calling for the social media team to be sacked for doing their job and keeping people abreast of friendlies, club shop deals etc and maintaining engagement. It's hardly edge of your seat stuff, but what are they supposed to do, just leave it dormant unless it's a signing?
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Our social media is ** appalling and one of the worst across the football league.
 
We have already ditched some dead wood in Garbutt, Stewart, Lubala, Moore, Madine (I would have kept Keshi but hes gone aswell) and Thorniley has also gone...but off the top of my head

Matty Virtue
Jerry I would love to keep but he will go
Tharme not good enough
Casey not good enough
Beesley not good enough
Brad Holmes too big a gamble
Rob Apter too big a gamble
Reece James too small and doesnt blow my frock up...
Owen Dale too lightweight and didnt enjoy it here
Dom Thompson not good enough unless he improves beyond recognition
 
TANGERINETOWERPOWER said:
We have already ditched some dead wood in Garbutt, Stewart, Lubala, Moore, Madine (I would have kept Keshi but hes gone aswell) and Thorniley has also gone...but off the top of my head

Matty Virtue
Jerry I would love to keep but he will go
Tharme not good enough
Casey not good enough
Beesley not good enough
Brad Holmes too big a gamble
Rob Apter too big a gamble
Reece James too small and doesnt blow my frock up...
Owen Dale too lightweight and didnt enjoy it here
Dom Thompson not good enough unless he improves beyond recognition
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I could also understand people wanting to move on from Husband but I would keep him and hope he keeps his form and Dougall who I hope regains his form.

Im happy with

Grimshaw
Gabriel
Lyons
Ekpiteta
Trybull if he stays fit
Lavery
Morgan (if the manager is happy with him)
Carey
CJ Hamilton worth a go as an impact player
 
poolseasider said:
You do know we're in the third division now, your compiling your not good enough list like we're still in the Championship.
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Yes but in my opinion we shouldn’t be and I’m not looking for mid table mediocrity..we need to build a side capable of going up and staying up…too many on here think we are league one standard and now at our level..I say that’s bollux and we are only languishing down here due to years of mismanagement..our natural level if there is such a thing should be mid table championship..too many have little ambition and won’t dare to think we can rise up. To some we are little old Blackpool and I resent that…Michael Appleton was a chief exponent of this and made us believe we were lucky to be in that division and playing teams above our station…all total bullshit
 
It massively helps your sanity when you accept that Simon will allow around a £2m loss each season.

He won’t spend more than that of his own money and until a sugar daddy arrives wanting to invest tens of millions a season (in Championship) we are where we are.

It’s way better than Oystons but not as good as having Hollywood or Saudi owners.

I’m not lacking in any ambition for the club and SS is not without criticism for last seasons horror show but once your head is firmly around that number you can predict how signings will go.

Last season was no different. We spent really badly. The loans were good but expensive and our permanent signings were in the main an absolute waste of money and wages.

We’ve now got a higher wage bill than when we were last in this division (even with the released players gone) so that’ll eat into the £2 million immediately.
Unless Jerry is sold, I can’t see any options but freebies, loans and small gambles on lower league players.
If Jerry goes I suspect half of the fee will be spread on small transfer fees to find another Jerry, Marv type player?

It is what it is but at least you know the budget and it doesn’t then wind you up as it won’t change.


Unless….. we can convince Margot Robbie and Jennifer Lawrence to buy SS out and we can trump Wrexham!!!
 
Chunkylad said:
It massively helps your sanity when you accept that Simon will allow around a £2m loss each season.

He won’t spend more than that of his own money and until a sugar daddy arrives wanting to invest tens of millions a season (in Championship) we are where we are.

It’s way better than Oystons but not as good as having Hollywood or Saudi owners.

I’m not lacking in any ambition for the club and SS is not without criticism for last seasons horror show but once your head is firmly around that number you can predict how signings will go.

Last season was no different. We spent really badly. The loans were good but expensive and our permanent signings were in the main an absolute waste of money and wages.

We’ve now got a higher wage bill than when we were last in this division (even with the released players gone) so that’ll eat into the £2 million immediately.
Unless Jerry is sold, I can’t see any options but freebies, loans and small gambles on lower league players.
If Jerry goes I suspect half of the fee will be spread on small transfer fees to find another Jerry, Marv type player?

It is what it is but at least you know the budget and it doesn’t then wind you up as it won’t change.


Unless….. we can convince Margot Robbie and Jennifer Lawrence to buy SS out and we can trump Wrexham!!!
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I wonder if Sadler has considered or even tried to bring in another investor?
 
Chunkylad said:
It massively helps your sanity when you accept that Simon will allow around a £2m loss each season.

He won’t spend more than that of his own money and until a sugar daddy arrives wanting to invest tens of millions a season (in Championship) we are where we are.

It’s way better than Oystons but not as good as having Hollywood or Saudi owners.

I’m not lacking in any ambition for the club and SS is not without criticism for last seasons horror show but once your head is firmly around that number you can predict how signings will go.

Last season was no different. We spent really badly. The loans were good but expensive and our permanent signings were in the main an absolute waste of money and wages.

We’ve now got a higher wage bill than when we were last in this division (even with the released players gone) so that’ll eat into the £2 million immediately.
Unless Jerry is sold, I can’t see any options but freebies, loans and small gambles on lower league players.
If Jerry goes I suspect half of the fee will be spread on small transfer fees to find another Jerry, Marv type player?

It is what it is but at least you know the budget and it doesn’t then wind you up as it won’t change.


Unless….. we can convince Margot Robbie and Jennifer Lawrence to buy SS out and we can trump Wrexham!!!
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Agree with most of that but which loans were particularly good? Fiorini and Rogers towards the end but they are counterbalanced with Williams,corbeaneau, poveda and I even think Patino was disappointing..overall I don’t think they were great
 
Chunkylad said:
It massively helps your sanity when you accept that Simon will allow around a £2m loss each season.

He won’t spend more than that of his own money and until a sugar daddy arrives wanting to invest tens of millions a season (in Championship) we are where we are.

It’s way better than Oystons but not as good as having Hollywood or Saudi owners.

I’m not lacking in any ambition for the club and SS is not without criticism for last seasons horror show but once your head is firmly around that number you can predict how signings will go.

Last season was no different. We spent really badly. The loans were good but expensive and our permanent signings were in the main an absolute waste of money and wages.

We’ve now got a higher wage bill than when we were last in this division (even with the released players gone) so that’ll eat into the £2 million immediately.
Unless Jerry is sold, I can’t see any options but freebies, loans and small gambles on lower league players.
If Jerry goes I suspect half of the fee will be spread on small transfer fees to find another Jerry, Marv type player?

It is what it is but at least you know the budget and it doesn’t then wind you up as it won’t change.


Unless….. we can convince Margot Robbie and Jennifer Lawrence to buy SS out and we can trump Wrexham!!!
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Wheres your 2m figure coming from? Feels about right but maybe a bit low.

I suspect our budget will be top 6-8 in L1 but we cant expect to walk the division or anything. We need smart recruitment and coaching.
 
TANGERINETOWERPOWER said:
Agree with most of that but which loans were particularly good? Fiorini and Rogers towards the end but they are counterbalanced with Williams,corbeaneau, poveda and I even think Patino was disappointing..overall I don’t think they were great
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Good question TTP. So maybe separate on paper good versus performance good.

Patino and Fiorini in the games where Bridcut was fit (think that was two or three?) looked a great midfield trio. We let them down by not having a fit DM.
Poveda looked good in the ‘ten role’ but not out wide. Also seemed to have a work out attitude issue but again paper good.

Theo flashed but was maybe more of a player for Critch model than Appletons as he is that wide ‘flair’ player who can’t defend. Williams was poor but that surprised even Liverpool fans who saw him covering for an injured Van Dyke and looking every bit a Prem defender.

I’d say they were good loan signings but the other pieces weren’t there to work so yes you can argue for that matter not so good?
 
voyeur said:
Wheres your 2m figure coming from? Feels about right but maybe a bit low.

I suspect our budget will be top 6-8 in L1 but we cant expect to walk the division or anything. We need smart recruitment and coaching.
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It’s an aggregate estimate based on what he’s spent so far outside of purchase.
 
TANGERINETOWERPOWER said:
Agree with most of that but which loans were particularly good? Fiorini and Rogers towards the end but they are counterbalanced with Williams,corbeaneau, poveda and I even think Patino was disappointing..overall I don’t think they were great
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They are all better than what we saw i reckon. We started to see their capabilities in the last 6 games as their confidence returned and order was restored.
 
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