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TANGERINETOWERPOWER

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OK I know its early days but we dont even seem to be linked with any quality players and the communication blackout probably isnt helping. The big question is will we sell Yates and use that money to strengthen or leave it too late again to find a suitable replacement. If this squad (without Yates) is the main nucleus of the first team then in my opinion we are a long way away from a serious and credible automatic promotion winning team.

I would like some intent of investment before Jerry goes as in my eyes we have never re invested the Bowler and Critchley money...if we invest that and anything we get from Yates then that should garner the requisite improvement.

Although spending money is no guarantee of massive improvement, spending none seems to be a good indicator that you are going backwards and in our case downwards. I would love to see some real intent over the next 10 days or I am going to be less than impressed.

Maybe I am just a self entitled fan and should just accept that we really are "little old Blackpool" as many fans seem happy that way. For now I will hope that the owner's ambition matches my own as to date things dont look great.
 
TANGERINETOWERPOWER said:
OK I know its early days but we dont even seem to be linked with any quality players and the communication blackout probably isnt helping. The big question is will we sell Yates and use that money to strengthen or leave it too late again to find a suitable replacement. If this squad (without Yates) is the main nucleus of the first team then in my opinion we are a long way away from a serious and credible automatic promotion winning team.

I would like some intent of investment before Jerry goes as in my eyes we have never re invested the Bowler and Critchley money...if we invest that and anything we get from Yates then that should garner the requisite improvement.

Although spending money is no guarantee of massive improvement, spending none seems to be a good indicator that you are going backwards and in our case downwards. I would love to see some real intent over the next 10 days or I am going to be less than impressed.

Maybe I am just a self entitled fan and should just accept that we really are "little old Blackpool" as many fans seem happy that way. For now I will hope that the owner's ambition matches my own as to date things dont look great.
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Are you an actual fan of this club?
 
Many things will be said on here over the next 6 weeks before the season begins. We have to remain patient, see who
leaves and who will come in. IMO 3/4 players will leave the club 1 or 2 may be loans. How mant come in not sure
at a guess 7/8.
 
TANGERINETOWERPOWER said:
OK I know its early days but we dont even seem to be linked with any quality players and the communication blackout probably isnt helping. The big question is will we sell Yates and use that money to strengthen or leave it too late again to find a suitable replacement. If this squad (without Yates) is the main nucleus of the first team then in my opinion we are a long way away from a serious and credible automatic promotion winning team.

I would like some intent of investment before Jerry goes as in my eyes we have never re invested the Bowler and Critchley money...if we invest that and anything we get from Yates then that should garner the requisite improvement.

Although spending money is no guarantee of massive improvement, spending none seems to be a good indicator that you are going backwards and in our case downwards. I would love to see some real intent over the next 10 days or I am going to be less than impressed.

Maybe I am just a self entitled fan and should just accept that we really are "little old Blackpool" as many fans seem happy that way. For now I will hope that the owner's ambition matches my own as to date things dont look great.
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Think you answered your own question. Communications blackout and not being linked speculatively to players would seem to go hand in hand.

It's not even mid June yet. Let's not fret.
 
TANGERINETOWERPOWER said:
OK I know its early days but we dont even seem to be linked with any quality players and the communication blackout probably isnt helping. The big question is will we sell Yates and use that money to strengthen or leave it too late again to find a suitable replacement. If this squad (without Yates) is the main nucleus of the first team then in my opinion we are a long way away from a serious and credible automatic promotion winning team.

I would like some intent of investment before Jerry goes as in my eyes we have never re invested the Bowler and Critchley money...if we invest that and anything we get from Yates then that should garner the requisite improvement.

Although spending money is no guarantee of massive improvement, spending none seems to be a good indicator that you are going backwards and in our case downwards. I would love to see some real intent over the next 10 days or I am going to be less than impressed.

Maybe I am just a self entitled fan and should just accept that we really are "little old Blackpool" as many fans seem happy that way. For now I will hope that the owner's ambition matches my own as to date things dont look great.
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You are crazy!
 
I think the OP is a decent one. Typical AVFTT the OP is jumped on by the petty hyenas.

His point about the Critchley and Bowler money being reinvested. Got me thinking, I cannot remember any money gained ever being reinvested in the playing staff in my lifetime. I thought Simon Sadler would be completely different but it appears not.

The apathetic attitudes created by the Oystons still haunt this club. If Sadler shit in a bucket and left it outside the ground someone on here would start a "Thankyou Simon" thread.
 
Macseasider said:
I think the OP is a decent one. Typical AVFTT the OP is jumped on by the petty hyenas.

His point about the Critchley and Bowler money being reinvested. Got me thinking, I cannot remember any money gained ever being reinvested in the playing staff in my lifetime. I thought Simon Sadler would be completely different but it appears not.
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Again, I refer you to the date, not to mention the complete shit show Sadler walked into and is putting right. It doesn't come cheap.
 
Wizaard said:
Again, I refer you to the date, not to mention the complete shit show Sadler walked into and is putting right. It doesn't come cheap.
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I think we all know that Wiz. It's the only thing he does actually communicate.

But the argument falls flat after him allowing Critchley to pull together a whole squad of early signings in his first stint resulting in promotion, but very little since.

It's like history repeating itself. The "plea for patience" act was painful the first time round.
 
I suspect we have spent some of the Critchley and Bowler money, it's just that we don't have anything to show for it. We've wasted an awful lot of money in the last 12 months on paying off shit managers, and crocked players wages like Trybull and Bridcutt. We may have some of the money left of course, but we most definitely haven't been spending what we have wisely. The only real good investment made since Bowler and Critchley left is Andy Lyons. Exactly the kind of signing we should be seeing more of over the coming weeks if we've any chance of getting back on the right track.
 
BFC_53 said:
I suspect we have spent some of the Critchley and Bowler money, it's just that we don't have anything to show for it. We've wasted an awful lot of money in the last 12 months on paying off shit managers, and crocked players wages like Trybull and Bridcutt. We may have some of the money left of course, but we most definitely haven't been spending what we have wisely. The only real good investment made since Bowler and Critchley left is Andy Lyons. Exactly the kind of signing we should be seeing more of over the coming weeks if we've any chance of getting back on the right track.
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Don't forget Callum Wright, 750k was mentioned at the time, no idea if true, also not sure what we got when he left.

There was definitely some wastage, also how much to get Bowler back seeing as it cost Olympiacos 2m to loan him from Forest apparently, given it was the same owner... that was for a season long loan and they had him half that, so we may have had to pay a bit to get him back.

Yeah Lyons as well, hard to ever say how much we've spent as nothing is ever announced.

How much were some of the other loans we got too, no one knows but were probably on a lot more that our lot, so some money probably went towards that.

It's all guesswork really until we see the accounts to get a better idea maybe, but money will be eaten up in things people haven't really considered.

Saying that, that sort of money should be going being reinvested in permanent players, for eg. Sell JY9 for 4m and we could fund let's say 5 good players at this level for reasonable fees. Each for more than we apparently paid for JY9 for eg.

We don't know the actual amounts but if the loans did cost a lot we've now got nothing to show for it, they are useful, but having our own players signed is more useful, so if we went down are more likely to bounce back, we just struggled to get them last summer.
 
Like I keep saying, we will know just how good or bad Sadler is this season. Again, I repeat, 3 really shit transfer windows, terrible managerial appointments, Directors gone etc., it doesn't fill you with confidence at the start of the season and whatever you say, Quitchley is not an overwhelmingly positive choice with supporters and he won't have the good will he got first time round.

It's too early to say how it's going to pan out but by the first game of the season we will have a pretty good idea.
 
TANGERINETOWERPOWER said:
OK I know its early days but we dont even seem to be linked with any quality players and the communication blackout probably isnt helping. The big question is will we sell Yates and use that money to strengthen or leave it too late again to find a suitable replacement. If this squad (without Yates) is the main nucleus of the first team then in my opinion we are a long way away from a serious and credible automatic promotion winning team.

I would like some intent of investment before Jerry goes as in my eyes we have never re invested the Bowler and Critchley money...if we invest that and anything we get from Yates then that should garner the requisite improvement.

Although spending money is no guarantee of massive improvement, spending none seems to be a good indicator that you are going backwards and in our case downwards. I would love to see some real intent over the next 10 days or I am going to be less than impressed.

Maybe I am just a self entitled fan and should just accept that we really are "little old Blackpool" as many fans seem happy that way. For now I will hope that the owner's ambition matches my own as to date things dont look great.
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TANGERINETOWERPOWER said:
OK I know its early days but we dont even seem to be linked with any quality players and the communication blackout probably isnt helping. The big question is will we sell Yates and use that money to strengthen or leave it too late again to find a suitable replacement. If this squad (without Yates) is the main nucleus of the first team then in my opinion we are a long way away from a serious and credible automatic promotion winning team.

I would like some intent of investment before Jerry goes as in my eyes we have never re invested the Bowler and Critchley money...if we invest that and anything we get from Yates then that should garner the requisite improvement.

Although spending money is no guarantee of massive improvement, spending none seems to be a good indicator that you are going backwards and in our case downwards. I would love to see some real intent over the next 10 days or I am going to be less than impressed.

Maybe I am just a self entitled fan and should just accept that we really are "little old Blackpool" as many fans seem happy that way. For now I will hope that the owner's ambition matches my own as to date things dont look great.
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Oh no …. Your demands aren’t being met ????

Zzzzzzzzzzz
 
Wizaard said:
Again, I refer you to the date, not to mention the complete shit show Sadler walked into and is putting right. It doesn't come cheap.
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Nobody can deny that he did try to turn things around and we spent a fair bit on strengthening when we went up from league 1…the first season in the championship also saw improvement and strengthening in key areas. Since then though we have gone backwards and mistakes were clearly made..it was like a switch was turned off and there are many positions where we are now much weaker.

Incidentally there are plenty of people on here who know me and I have never hidden behind different names. I don’t understand how I am asked if I’m a real fan of Blackpool fc just because I query a clear lack of ambition and investment during the last 18 months or so.

I haven’t given up on the owner yet but there are some searching questions to be asked if recruitment follows the pattern of the last few windows. I don’t apologise for wanting better for the club and any football club owner knows there are peripheral costs and there will be a major expense to fund the club effectively.
 
Still early days for me, but I understand the concern. Just reading the name ‘Bridcutt’ and thinking about the minutes played vs wages spent last season made me cringe a bit.

We don’t want to repeat the same mistakes, so maybe we are erring on the side of caution while looking at potential players?
 
TANGERINETOWERPOWER said:
…the first season in the championship also saw improvement and strengthening in key areas. Since then though we have gone backwards and mistakes were clearly made..it was like a switch was turned off and there are many positions where we are now much weaker.
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Nothing wring with wanting the club to progress etc but I'm not sure that there are many positions where we are now much weaker than our first season in the championship.

Grimmy - same
Connolly/Gab - Lyons is better
Marv - same
Keogh - needs replacing but was old and temporary
Hubby - same
Stewart/Wintle - both were stop gaps
Dougall - same
Anderson - needs replacing. Injury issues.
Bowler - needs replacing
Yates - same
Madine - was never ideal

So yes there are positions we need to address yes but i very much believe its the coaching that went backwards last season more than anything. Appleton only lost two positions from the above team and we got got Williams/Nelson in for Keogh and Rogers/Poveda in for Bowler. Plus Fiorini and Patino. The squad was stronger than Critch's.

NC would have loved to have had Rogers Fiorini Poveda Patino in his squad the previous season.

Every club evolves each season and we will evolve again. We over did the loans last season but we did strengthen IMO. We were undermined by poor coaching and injuries. We need some new players but we've had new players every window. Its how the players are deployed that is the real issue. Hopefully Critch will improve that, and we have a brand new head of recruitment who was head hunted hasnt been brought in to fiddle about.
 
Some nonsense replies to the OP.

We're trying to sell season tickets and the football club is posting bollox out on our socials daily. Other clubs are signing players, are making good content throughout pre-season to try drum up hype.

When Critchley went last summer, the media/hype stopped. Whoever our head of communications is at the club, needs firing. I'd get rid of the entire social media team too. The content they are putting out is shite. Or it's forced from the EFL.
 
The one thing I 100% agree on is communication. Didn't a lad called Stuart run the PR team and left last season and since then it's been a black out? Who does our communication these days? Whoever they are clearly have no innovation or nouse as the club website is a wilderness.
 
Focussing on the specific reinvestment of the Bowler and Critchley money is a waste of time .

Pound for pound that is simply not going to happen with the club making the losses it does.

The Bowler and Critchley money won’t be going into Simons pocket as it will be used to stem the losses the club makes I suspect .

The economic reality of running Blackpool Football Club suggests the clubs progress will come via good coaching and unearthing young talent costing us thousands and selling for millions and free transfers in respect of experienced talent.

There’s little coming out of the club I suspect because the Sporting Director has only been in a matter of days. Negotiations will be taking place . Plates will be spinning but they won’t be being made public .

The odd little titbit might be nice I agree but the reasons for secrecy at this stage may also be justified .
 
TANGERINETOWERPOWER said:
OK I know its early days but we dont even seem to be linked with any quality players and the communication blackout probably isnt helping. The big question is will we sell Yates and use that money to strengthen or leave it too late again to find a suitable replacement. If this squad (without Yates) is the main nucleus of the first team then in my opinion we are a long way away from a serious and credible automatic promotion winning team.

I would like some intent of investment before Jerry goes as in my eyes we have never re invested the Bowler and Critchley money...if we invest that and anything we get from Yates then that should garner the requisite improvement.

Although spending money is no guarantee of massive improvement, spending none seems to be a good indicator that you are going backwards and in our case downwards. I would love to see some real intent over the next 10 days or I am going to be less than impressed.

Maybe I am just a self entitled fan and should just accept that we really are "little old Blackpool" as many fans seem happy that way. For now I will hope that the owner's ambition matches my own as to date things dont look great.
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Remember back to the days when we had no goalkeeper and only 7 outfield players signed up the night before the first game of the season... then relax.
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
Remember back to the days when we had no goalkeeper and only 7 outfield players signed up the night before the first game of the season... then relax.
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So what you’re saying is now we don’t have the single worst football owner in the world anymore no one can raise any concernsabout anything ? It’s time to get over the Oystons we’ve got a new owner and paying customers are allowed to raise their issues on a football forum about Blackpool fc otherwise let’s close this forum down.

It’s strange last season was toxic with thousands chanting for Appleton to get sacked ect but no one can question the man that put Appleton in charge.
 
Northstandsinger said:
It’s strange last season was toxic with thousands chanting for Appleton to get sacked ect but no one can question the man that put Appleton in charge.
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The only thing about Appleton going was that he should have gone during the 'World Cup break,' giving the new manager, McCarthy or whoever, a month plus a full January transfer window. That could have made the difference between staying up and being in League One.
🧡UTMP🧡
 
The window is open, we've got a head coach and our new director of football. Our core squad is in decent shape for L1. The better players will always have more offers, so we have to be patient and trust that Sadler, Downes and Critchley will build a competitive team. I'm sure they will be keen to get a couple in soon, if nothing else to boost season ticket sales.
 
I am only interested when we have actually made a signing( permanent or otherwise) or a player is sold.
I have no interest in speculation especially when it comes to nought as most often is the case.
Whilst It would be nice to have things sorted out as early as possible simply so the squad whatever it consists of is able to have a good pre season of training and bedding in together but ultimately all that matters is we have a decent set of players ready to go once the season starts.

The fixtures aren’t even out yet


…except the premier League ones😂
 
BlackpoolJord said:
Its mid june, If we still haven't made a few signings by this time next month, then is the time to start worrying
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SouthernSeasider said:
It’s the 15th of June. Still early days. I am sure in a months time our position will look different.
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Schalke_FY4 said:
Most players are contracted till 30th June...chill out
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Now is about the time when the players who are out of contract on the 30th sort their futures out, Thorniley being an obvious example, so if we haven't got anyone in by the end of next week I'd start to worry.
 
Northstandsinger said:
So what you’re saying is now we don’t have the single worst football owner in the world anymore no one can raise any concernsabout anything ? It’s time to get over the Oystons we’ve got a new owner and paying customers are allowed to raise their issues on a football forum about Blackpool fc otherwise let’s close this forum down.

It’s strange last season was toxic with thousands chanting for Appleton to get sacked ect but no one can question the man that put Appleton in charge.
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So what you're saying is that tree back flipping frogs in Costa Rica can help lugworms in Queensland stop smoking?
 
When does pre season training start? Critch will want players in for that if possible. But players will arrive right up to 11pm on 1 Sept.
 
voyeur said:
When does pre season training start? Critch will want players in for that if possible. But players will arrive right up to 11pm on 1 Sept.
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Probably the 26th, but could be next Monday instead.

The development squad have a game on 1 July, so possibly they might be in earlier.
 
Albert Ross said:
When Appleton was appointed on the 17th June last year. A lot of posters and the club were saying that they were 3 weeks behind. Whats the difference between last year and this because according to the same posters there’s no need to panic.
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Similarities but Critch has been in post for 3 weeks so you'd hope some work and planning has been going on behind the scenes. And the club isn't in the same state of shock and confusion. And we are in L1 not the Championship. And I think Critch is more sorted in terms of knowing what will work and more capable of making it work. And we are far more competitive in the L1 market than the Championship market - we couldn't get what we needed on permanent contracts so we had to wait for Prem teams to agree loans with us. We signed some pretty good loan players last year but they only really started to show us their ability when Dobbie took over, far too late. We were undermined by the loss of the DM and defensive stability, kids in central midfield, confidence drained.
 
Albert Ross said:
When Appleton was appointed on the 17th June last year. A lot of posters and the club were saying that they were 3 weeks behind. Whats the difference between last year and this because according to the same posters there’s no need to panic.
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Because we had a settled style of play and a settled squad. Appleton coming in completely changed the requirement.
 
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