The lies that won the Brexit vote

ElBurroSinNombre said:
OK - I'll take Terry Christian out of the equation for you so you can't do the internet equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and closing your eyes.
The article that he was referring to was published in the Brexit supporting, right-wing Daily Telegraph and is linked below. It is entitled 'Project Fear was Right All Along'

www.telegraph.co.uk

Project Fear was right all along

Six years of policy confusion and ineptitude has brought a calamitous loss of standing
www.telegraph.co.uk www.telegraph.co.uk
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How am I putting my fingers in my ears, I was using a classic tactics used by the left, if its info posted through someone not credible the info is discarded. It was a joke.

Haven't read that article, project fear wasn't right all along, some of the stuff was complete nonsense.
 
Threepeaksphil said:
We have left the EU after a fair and proper vote, please please get over it and move on. I hated losing to Middlesbrough but don’t expect the EFL to let us play it again 🤪
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It doesn't mean that we shouldn't acknowledge it as the moment that the destiny of this country changed. There will only be downsides in my lifetime, but hopefully the next generation will have a few more brain cells and choose a new route.
 
poolseasider said:
The remain camp said we'd have emergency budgets,inflation,half a million out of work etc if we left not a single thing of their campaign came true like leave it was utter made up bullshit.
So James O'Brien can wang on all he wants but it's all one sided from a remainer.

Why are we discussing this now it's 100% the pandemic that has caused the shite we are in not flaming Brexit, Europe has higher inflation than us it hasn't he
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Macseasider said:
Coming home to roost isn't it? And I voted leave. Conned.

Heard an analogy today of a burnt old historical building and a guy outside the charred ruins continually shouting that he prefers it this way. This is what remainers sound like now we know it's been a catastrophic failure.

Anyway. This is how it was sold.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1588492211162857473
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Mexboroseasider said:
I’ve said this before but will say it again….

It’s raining on everyone. So everyone is getting wet. But…..

Some people have nice warm coats.

Some people have nice warm coats and umbrellas.

But only one person has stripped off all their clothes and is running around in circles in their underpants; in the rain; laughing, crying and shouting wibble.

And in a nutshell that’s Brexit.

So yes that’s what some of you voted for. And that’s what the rest of us are now stuck with.

But democracy doesn’t mean we can’t keep reminding you of the lunacy of your decision. No matter how much you stamp your feet and shout “It’s not fa
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rockontommy said:
Too many variables and far too soon to understand whether Brexit has been good or bad yet.
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Malced said:
No one has said it will take ‘generations’. Stop making things up to make your point. Clearly we don’t go from being in the EU one day, to having a completely fully developed and maximised way of working the day after. Extracting ourselves from the EU after 40 years is complex and will take time.

So it’s completely flawed to look at things in the very short term and make conclusions that Brexit is bad. You are free to do that of course, but it’s completely logical to say the evaluation will be much more valid over a longer time period.
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Rees-Mogg ....
 
tommytwojags said:
There is no overall desire among voters for the UK to apply for EU membership even though I'm sure we would be welcomed with open arms. Voters wouldn't have elected to leave in the first place if Cameron's minimal requests for change had been allowed by the EC and in due course with similar concessions rejoin might be possible. However, it won't happen in the present decade and the more EU laws that are discarded, the less likely rejoin becomes.
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We haven't discarded EU laws in the main, other than health and safety legislation and clean water regs.

Other than that, we've simply rebadged stuff that was already in place.

Deregulation and removal of employment laws was the main objective of the arch Brexiteers. Low pay, low skill, big profit.
 
Wizaard said:
We haven't discarded EU laws in the main, other than health and safety legislation and clean water regs.

Other than that, we've simply rebadged stuff that was already in place.

Deregulation and removal of employment laws was the main objective of the arch Brexiteers. Low pay, low skill, big profit.
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Not true. There’s a ton of red tape on UK businesses which we have started getting rid of and will continue to.

Also the Government is pushing policies to increase productivity by increasing skill levels. It’s it no one’s longer term interests, including that of big business, to have low skilled workforces doing menial jobs. That’s self defeating for business.
 
Malced said:
Not true. There’s a ton of red tape on UK businesses which we have started getting rid of and will continue to.

Also the Government is pushing policies to increase productivity by increasing skill levels. It’s it no one’s longer term interests, including that of big business, to have low skilled workforces doing menial jobs. That’s self defeating for business.
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We've taken powers to continue under existing legislation otherwise business really would grind to a halt. Over time that might change, but it certainly hasn't yet, while fantasists like Rees Mogg say Brexit is done and close down the department to change that legislation as an efficiency.

If you think this Government have done anything to increase the skills of the work force you are utterly deluded. There gave never been as many zero hours contracts as at present. 7 million.
 
Malced said:
Not true. There’s a ton of red tape on UK businesses which we have started getting rid of and will continue to.

Also the Government is pushing policies to increase productivity by increasing skill levels. It’s it no one’s longer term interests, including that of big business, to have low skilled workforces doing menial jobs. That’s self defeating for business.
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Actually, old boy, you identified the productivity issue n the Uk a while ago. It is lack of investment in equipment and plant. Businesses are under too much pressure from shareholders to return any profits in dividends, rather than invest for a long term. This is also true of utilities, Ofwat set prices allowing for investment, the companies gave it to shareholders. Skills is a secondary, though still important, issue, but despite all the headlines about high skill, high wage economy, as soon as any of the highly skilled professions ask for pay increases to just match inflation, we can't afford it. Sends totally the wrong message to those re upskilling.
 
Wizaard said:
We've taken powers to continue under existing legislation otherwise business really would grind to a halt. Over time that might change, but it certainly hasn't yet, while fantasists like Rees Mogg say Brexit is done and close down the department to change that legislation as an efficiency.

If you think this Government have done anything to increase the skills of the work force you are utterly deluded. There gave never been as many zero hours contracts as at present. 7 million.
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They have increased apprenticeships and are incentivising business to invest in training too. But it’s your point about business being content with a low skilled workforce I have the main issue with.
You’ve not answered that. Low skill workforces will mean less productivity and less competitiveness and less profit, decline and death. You seem to have this problem with businesses. Many do upskill their workforces because it’s in their interest to do so. Thing is this isn’t separate to modernisation and investing in technology. But if you create a high tax regime economy then businesses will establish or expand outside of the UK instead.

I don’t agree with zero hour contracts but that’s often in service sector work where skills are not essential as it’s low skilled work by its very nature.
 
Malced said:
They have increased apprenticeships and are incentivising business to invest in training too. But it’s your point about business being content with a low skilled workforce I have the main issue with.
You’ve not answered that. Low skill workforces will mean less productivity and less competitiveness and less profit, decline and death. You seem to have this problem with businesses. Many do upskill their workforces because it’s in their interest to do so. Thing is this isn’t separate to modernisation and investing in technology. But if you create a high tax regime economy then businesses will establish or expand outside of the UK instead.

I don’t agree with zero hour contracts but that’s often in service sector work where skills are not essential as it’s low skilled work by its very nature.
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The Tories have made the country a service sector economy over the last 40 years as a deliberate policy to defeat the unions beginning with Thatcher in the 80s.

Obviously business will want a skilled workforce, but there is nothing in place to make that happen when schemes you mention will be slashed in the Autumn statement.
 
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