Our country and the world need Boris back

Philbfctrois said:
Yeah right oh

illegal war, benefits culture, high unemployment, crippling interest rates, the demise of the British manufacturing industry, fcuking up the NHS and the biggest ever national debt

Nice one
Click to expand...
Illegal war? You mean Suez - that was the Tories. High unemployment?...1979 - 84, the Tories. The demise of British manufacturing?...1979 -90, the Tories. ** up the NHS and the biggest ever national debt?....yes, the Tories.
Seriously do you hold any opinions that aren't wrong?
 
basilrobbie3 said:
I think he does it on purposes, Trammo. Hedging his bets.
Click to expand...
Rumours you are a Lib Dem voter now because they are anti Brexit unlike Tories and allegedly Labour.😜 Do Ed Ravey's plucky misfits stand a chance in Catford or are they pissing in the wind?
 
Trammo said:
Rumours you are a Lib Dem voter now because they are anti Brexit unlike Tories and allegedly Labour.😜 Do Ed Ravey's plucky misfits stand a chance in Catford or are they pissing in the wind?
Click to expand...
You shouldn't listen to rumours. Especially the ones you have made up yourself.

Lewisham East in a one-party state, actually.
 
that's just what this country needs right now that fat useless lying bastard who's only interested in himself and his mates you must be on crack.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Me too, eh?
Click to expand...
I never said you were "reading politics wrong" whatever the fuck that means. Anyway, understand this... my opinion is as valid as your opinion which is as good as anyone else's opinion on this board ie not very much 👍🏻
 
rockontommy said:
I never said you were "reading politics wrong" whatever the fuck that means. Anyway, understand this... my opinion is as valid as your opinion which is as good as anyone else's opinion on this board ie not very much 👍🏻
Click to expand...
I also didn't say that. I said that you appeared to be deliberate about misreading politics. I suppose it's my way of saying that you add your own spin.
 
Philbfctrois said:
Yeah right oh

illegal war, benefits culture, high unemployment, crippling interest rates, the demise of the British manufacturing industry, fcuking up the NHS and the biggest ever national debt

Nice one
Click to expand...

That b2tch Maggie was responsible for some of your listed items by the way.

It's time for change.
 
They’re all as bad, let’s not forget the last Labour government left us with an empty safe and took us to the disastrous war in Iraq.

I frankly doubt that things would have been any better had Labour been in government for the last ten years, in fact it might well have been worse.
 
Matesrates said:
They’re all as bad, let’s not forget the last Labour government left us with an empty safe and took us to the disastrous war in Iraq.

I frankly doubt that things would have been any better had Labour been in government for the last ten years, in fact it might well have been worse.
Click to expand...
Based on what exactly?
 
Matesrates said:
They’re all as bad, let’s not forget the last Labour government left us with an empty safe and took us to the disastrous war in Iraq.

I frankly doubt that things would have been any better had Labour been in government for the last ten years, in fact it might well have been worse.
Click to expand...
How many times do you have to be put right about the empty safe bullshit. I saw you were corrected on it yesterday, I'll do it today.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
I also didn't say that. I said that you appeared to be deliberate about misreading politics. I suppose it's my way of saying that you add your own spin.
Click to expand...
What have I misread and what have I spun? Be specific because this is tedious.
 
Matesrates said:
Must have been the Labour guy who left the note that was lying then
Click to expand...
As was explained yesterday, it has become somewhat of a tradition for chancellors to leave a light hearted note. The message left by labour was twisted and used for political gain, its worked a treat because people like you still believe it.
 
It's weird the cult of leadership. The parties are massive and the state itself is a multi billion pound organisation and yet, we place so much emphasis on one person.

I reckon if we were run by a massive super computer, people would just radge on about what operating system was on it to be fair.
 
rockontommy said:
What have I misread and what have I spun? Be specific because this is tedious.
Click to expand...
Agree, it is tedious but, as you ask...My reading of your first post is that you want Johnson to stand. Fair enough. But, saying that he's the one to turn around the Tories' poll ratings is to misread where his own ratings had plummeted to before he was sacked. I, therefore, assumed you were spinning his appeal to support your preferred candidate.
 
He's still under investigation by a commons committee for misleading parliament, and could lose his seat. Can the Tories take the risk of going through another PM before Christmas. Half his cabinet resigned in protest of his leadership, but they're meant to be looking for a unity candidate!
It comes to something that in order to give Boris a boost in popularity (his rating fell significantly before he left office), they conduct a 10 week experiment to show the country that if they don't have him as PM, the alternative is much worse.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Agree, it is tedious but, as you ask...My reading of your first post is that you want Johnson to stand. Fair enough. But, saying that he's the one to turn around the Tories' poll ratings is to misread where his own ratings had plummeted to before he was sacked. I, therefore, assumed you were spinning his appeal to support your preferred candidate.
Click to expand...
Thank you. I think Boris is the only Tory candidate capable of keeping the left 'honest'. Watching Labour crow at Liz Truss' clear mental breakdown and trying to absolve themselves of their part in exorbitant pandemic borrowing creeps me out.

There's something about the Labour Party that leaves me completely cold. It's a gut feeling that is hard to put into words. Keith is a dour stayer like Denman with Boris as Kauto Star.

Won't be voting for either Keith or Boris as they've both dragged us into the mire in different ways but will welcome the big dog's comic intervention nethertheless.
 
Well it now sounds like he will have enough MP’s to get to the next stage. He will surely win if it goes to the members, and I can’t see him backing down if he is only in second place on Monday night even if he is well behind.
Looks like Borisconi is coming back?
 
rockontommy said:
Thank you. I think Boris is the only Tory candidate capable of keeping the left 'honest'. Watching Labour crow at Liz Truss' clear mental breakdown and trying to absolve themselves of their part in exorbitant pandemic borrowing creeps me out.

There's something about the Labour Party that leaves me completely cold. It's a gut feeling that is hard to put into words. Keith is a dour stayer like Denman with Boris as Kauto Star.

Won't be voting for either Keith or Boris as they've both dragged us into the mire in different ways but will welcome the big dog's comic intervention nethertheless.
Click to expand...
‘Clear mental breakdown’ - give over 😀.

Under the circumstances she did reasonably well in PMQs the other day and gave as good as she got - far from a gibbering wreck.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Illegal war? You mean Suez - that was the Tories. High unemployment?...1979 - 84, the Tories. The demise of British manufacturing?...1979 -90, the Tories. ** up the NHS and the biggest ever national debt?....yes, the Tories.
Seriously do you hold any opinions that aren't wrong?
Click to expand...
Opinions aren't right or wrong. That's why they're opinions
 
L’étranger said:
‘Clear mental breakdown’ - give over 😀.

Under the circumstances she did reasonably well in PMQs the other day and gave as good as she got - far from a gibbering wreck.
Click to expand...
Come on, she's crumbled in just over a month. Anyone who has ever struggled with mental health knows you can put on a very plausible show for short periods of time but be a complete mess under the surface. She looked happy and relieved yesterday and as fellow human, I'm happy for her. It's not worth it.
 
rockontommy said:
Spot on. Keith who wanted faster, longer harder lockdowns. More furlough, more money printing and more debt but we're meant to believe that he'd have the economy in better shape? 😄
Click to expand...
This is all very contorted logic.

It’s clear from pretty much every post you make that you are very much anti lockdown and think the government response to the pandemic was grossly excessive and dropped the country in the mire economically.

But you are now advocating the return of BJ, the PM in charge at the time and the person who was responsible for actually implementing the policies you hated.

At the same time as seemingly blaming the leader of the opposition, who didn’t implement the policies, for the policies you hate.

Hate the lockdown policies.
Love the person who introduced them.
Hate a person who didn’t introduce them on the basis he might have done worse if he’d had the chance.

Yep. That all makes sense.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
This is all very contorted logic.

It’s clear from pretty much every post you make that you are very much anti lockdown and think the government response to the pandemic was grossly excessive and dropped the country in the mire economically.

But you are now advocating the return of BJ, the PM in charge at the time and the person who was responsible for actually implementing the policies you hated.

At the same time as seemingly blaming the leader of the opposition, who didn’t implement the policies, for the policies you hate.

Hate the lockdown policies.
Love the person who introduced them.
Hate a person who didn’t introduce them on the basis he might have done worse if he’d had the chance.

Yep. That all makes sense.
Click to expand...
Read the whole thread.
 
I can't believe that the Conservatives are taking a Johnson bid seriously.
Many Conservative MPs have said publicly that they 'need a period of stability'. They will definitely not get that from Johnson. What they will get is more chaos, more scandal, more nepotism and rule-breaking and more division in their party. Several MPs have said publicly they will leave the party if Johnson gets the gig. He was removed from the post of PM for sleaze only a few weeks ago and is set to face a parliamentary committee for lying in the house. He could lose his seat if he is found to have lied (which he certainly did). The Conservatives are polling 14% in the most recent opinion poll - Johnson would give them a temporary bounce but I very much doubt it would be sustained. He is a busted flush. Just because you can say things convincingly doesn't mean that they are true. British people are starting to wake up to that reality.
 
If Boris comes back, then any lingering vestige of decency in the Conservative Party is gone. The few members in 'relatively safe seats,' may breathe a bit easier, but at the cost of wipe out elsewhere. Anyone suggesting it should really look at their moral compass.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
I have. Post 73.

“ welcome the Big Dog’s comic intervention”
Click to expand...
Yep - far from loving him as you say.

Aside from trying to make I don't know what point, do you refute anything that I say btw? That Keith wanted tighter, longer restrictions and more money printed to pay for it all? Did he oppose any of the government's spending, worried about the impact on inflation maybe, or interest rates?
 
Johnson gives the Tories a better chance but... the route back for him is littered with obstacles, the investigation, the fact his own party will look like proper tits for pushing him out then bringing him back, the fact that should he return, he's then got to deal with the fact his own party has created more difficult economic choices and he doesn't like making those choices and so on.

I suspect that his fans will rejoice and many will recoil. The interesting question is whether the floating voters recoil or not. My suspicion is that there's a good number of people who voted 'Boris' as opposed to voting 'Tory' and thus, those people are very, very important to the Tory party (and they're also why the Tories are split down the middle because their priorities are not traditional Tory priorities) - same as Labour struggles to reconcile the 'old miner' types and the 'woke student' types as there's a dissonance) and as they've placed their vote because they want him, they're unlikely to vote for Mordaunt or Sunak or whoever.

Basically, Boris transcends the Tory party with his ability to talk off the cuff and whilst that's a limited ability that is probably not of enormous use in terms of doing 95% of the job of PM it's also a rare quality. He's a flair politician so to speak and they are in short supply. He's kind of the opposite of John Major who had all the aptitude and none of the flair.

I do wonder if him returning will split the party even more though. Johnson will bring both chaos and stability in that with Johnson, the chaos is all part of the act and seen as chaos is apparently the new normal, then there's a certain twisted logic in wanting Johnson there at the heart of it as he thrives in chaos (by design)
 
Them bringing back Boris tbh is a bit like us begging Critch to come back, but more extreme cos it was them who potted him, not him who wanted to go.
 
rockontommy said:
Yep - far from loving him as you say.

Aside from trying to make I don't know what point, do you refute anything that I say btw? That Keith wanted tighter, longer restrictions and more money printed to pay for it all? Did he oppose any of the government's spending, worried about the impact on inflation maybe, or interest rates?
Click to expand...
Do you refute the claim that you are advocating (“would welcome” in your words) the return of the person who implemented all the policies you hated?

Please explain your reasoning.
 
Threepeaksphil said:
But they stabbed him in the back🤷🏽‍♂️ So why the hell should he come back? I bet Carrie isn’t keen for him to come back now. He could wait till the next election and if labour win he could stand for leader of the tories. Rishi is the only candidate that could unite the party and calm the markets which is very important
Click to expand...
rishi is the instigator of the plot and the public know it. outside the deluded knob jockeys in the 22 committee he is hated.
 
Ben Wallace as a new broom is possibly the only hope of salvation. That assumes that he could put up with the constant media intrusion while getting to grips with the job. The media as a whole has an awful lot to answer for creating this 'quick fix society.'
 
rockontommy said:
Come on, she's crumbled in just over a month. Anyone who has ever struggled with mental health knows you can put on a very plausible show for short periods of time but be a complete mess under the surface. She looked happy and relieved yesterday and as fellow human, I'm happy for her. It's not worth it.
Click to expand...
Of course she has ‘crumbled’ in interviews - nearly all of her economic policies on which she was elected have proved to be disastrous, and even someone with her self-confidence and hubris struggled to defend them.
Not sure where your evidence of a ‘complete mental breakdown’ is coming from.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Do you refute the claim that you are advocating (“would welcome” in your words) the return of the person who implemented all the policies you hated?

Please explain your reasoning.
Click to expand...
I've already said that I would and I've already explained why.

Can I save us both some time assume you can't or don't want to answer my questions?
 
L’étranger said:
Of course she has ‘crumbled’ in interviews - nearly all of her economic policies on which she was elected have proved to be disastrous, and even someone with her self-confidence and hubris struggled to defend them.
Not sure where your evidence of a ‘complete mental breakdown’ is coming from.
Click to expand...
Partial then. We're splitting hairs. Think we're both agreed, the job wasn't for her.
 
rockontommy said:
I've already said that I would and I've already explained why.

Can I save us both some time assume you can't or don't want to answer my questions?
Click to expand...
I’ve chosen not to answer your question in the same way that you’ve chosen not to answer mine. (Saying you’ve already answered the question, when you haven’t, isn’t the same as answering the question).
 
Mexboroseasider said:
I’ve chosen not to answer your question in the same way that you’ve chosen not to answer mine. (Saying you’ve already answered the question, when you haven’t, isn’t the same as answering the question).
Click to expand...
*sigh*

I would welcome the return of Boris Johnson. The man who brought in all of the policies I hated.

Clear? Happy?
 
td53 said:
Johnson gives the Tories a better chance but... the route back for him is littered with obstacles, the investigation, the fact his own party will look like proper tits for pushing him out then bringing him back, the fact that should he return, he's then got to deal with the fact his own party has created more difficult economic choices and he doesn't like making those choices and so on.

I suspect that his fans will rejoice and many will recoil. The interesting question is whether the floating voters recoil or not. My suspicion is that there's a good number of people who voted 'Boris' as opposed to voting 'Tory' and thus, those people are very, very important to the Tory party (and they're also why the Tories are split down the middle because their priorities are not traditional Tory priorities) - same as Labour struggles to reconcile the 'old miner' types and the 'woke student' types as there's a dissonance) and as they've placed their vote because they want him, they're unlikely to vote for Mordaunt or Sunak or whoever.

Basically, Boris transcends the Tory party with his ability to talk off the cuff and whilst that's a limited ability that is probably not of enormous use in terms of doing 95% of the job of PM it's also a rare quality. He's a flair politician so to speak and they are in short supply. He's kind of the opposite of John Major who had all the aptitude and none of the flair.

I do wonder if him returning will split the party even more though. Johnson will bring both chaos and stability in that with Johnson, the chaos is all part of the act and seen as chaos is apparently the new normal, then there's a certain twisted logic in wanting Johnson there at the heart of it as he thrives in chaos (by design)
Click to expand...

All good points. Despite his shortcomings, Johnson does indeed transcend the Tory party, although not with his ability to talk off the cuff, a trait that gets him into more trouble than not. However, he has charisma, a virtue he alone out of all the politicians from all parties seems to possess. He also does have a current mandate to lead the government until 2024. The most significant aspect of his potential return, however, is that a lot of people like him despite the many obvious reasons for not doing so. Moreover, his foibles might be seen as minor issues/character flaws, whereas he is widely regarded as being successful in acheiving the big things. Do people perceive Keir Starmer in the same way? I haven't seen the love for him or any great demand for him to lead the country.
 
Last edited:
I think the fact that Johnson is on 2 weeks holiday whilst Parliament is sitting kind of shows the character of this immoral character.
 
rockontommy said:
You're a tedious man Mex 😄

Perfect example of why I've gone off the Labour Party.
Click to expand...
😂 So I’ve been told.

But it is quite funny though, after zillions of posts about how much you hate the government response to Covid, that you’re now a cheerleader for, and want the return of, the person responsible for the policies.

At the same time as concocting a convoluted argument that attempts to blame the polices on someone who didn’t implement them.

I suspect I may refer to this exchange in the future whenever you make an anti lockdown comment.
 
Only a madman, or woman, would want this poison chalice right now, the issues facing the country and the world are immense and any one of them, indeed several, could bring any prime minister down.

Cost of living crisis
Energy crisis
Interest rates
Mortgage rates, which could lead to many being homeless
Multiple strikes looming
People unable to afford heating leading to serious illness or death
People unable to afford food
Covid on the rise, as well as the usual winter viruses
All of those could overwhelm the NHS
War in Ukraine which could escalate badly
Taxes will have to rise, public service budgets will be cut.
Businesses going under
Northern Ireland protocol problem

If I were Boris for example, I’d look at this and think, I’ll wait.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top