Odds on Truss lasting?

seasideone said:
Hunt is quite centralist in comparison and doesn’t really have a financial background.

Personally it would be madness; I cannot believe what is happening in such a great country.

We look like a Banana Republic 👎
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Donald Trump is the former President of the United States of America. There’s an awful long way for us to go in order to match that level of ridiculous.
 
Ryan Bourne, the former head of public affairs at the rightwing Institute for Economic Affairs, has called on Liz Truss to resign as prime minister. The IEA is the rar-right think tank behind the Truss and Kwarteng tax cutting agenda. However, Bourne has said:
"The Prime Minister was culpable for not making some offsetting fiscal adjustments alongside her trailed tax cuts. The Tory party have since closed off any other route to letting her maintain those core pledges. There is no point being in position but not in power. Her backbench MPs are forcing her to consolidate the public finances via means antithetical to her economic ideas. She should let the social democrats have their party back."
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Ryan Bourne, the former head of public affairs at the rightwing Institute for Economic Affairs, has called on Liz Truss to resign as prime minister. The IEA is the rar-right think tank behind the Truss and Kwarteng tax cutting agenda. However, Bourne has said:
"The Prime Minister was culpable for not making some offsetting fiscal adjustments alongside her trailed tax cuts. The Tory party have since closed off any other route to letting her maintain those core pledges. There is no point being in position but not in power. Her backbench MPs are forcing her to consolidate the public finances via means antithetical to her economic ideas. She should let the social democrats have their party back."
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55 Tufton St twats, they're at the centre of this clusterfuck and the current leaders of the Conservative Party.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Dear, oh dear. Whichever way you roll the Tory Party at the moment it lands on the clusterfuck square.
* A Tory leader becomes PM on the basis of a vote 142k people, of which she gained 81k.
* She introduces an economic policy at variance with that of the Johnson Government - immediately giving her no mandate.
* She puts her economic soulmate (Kwarteng) in charge of implementing the policy that they worked on together.
* The policy is introduced via a mini-budget over which the Cabinet had no input and which was denied external scrutiny by the OBR.
* The policy spooked the markets and forced the Bank of England to intervene.
* Truss sacks the man she appointed to implement their shared economic vision.
* Tory MPs who continue to support the policy will have the knives out for Truss if she U-turns.
* Sunak-wing MPs will have the knives out for Truss if she continues to steer the same course.
* Truss is a lame-duck PM with an 80 seat majority!!
* If Truss is replaced as PM, what will be that person's mandate, what will be their democratic authority and what will that say to the country?
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And she through KK under the bus t'other Sunday when she said it was his decision and without any agreement to reduce the higher tax level from 45-40 %
 
Allowed three Qs from the floor, and then 'Goodbye'.
Scared to death of letting the real questions in.
i.e. 'How long do you think you will be Prime Minister, Prime Minister?'
Won't be long before Hunt gets the elbow.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
Would have liked this one;

'You have repeatedly described yourself as being in lock step with the ex chancellor Kwasi Kwarteng. Today you have sacked him for implementing your own ideas. Why didn't you sack yourself as well?'
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Would have liked someone to be able to ask about Jeremy Hunt running on a campaign to cut corporation tax to 15%. Something like 'if you had picked Hunt instead of Kwarteng wouldn't you just be sacking Hunt today instead considering he wanted to do the same cuts?'
 
Just been watching Andrew Marr on LBC, in the comments there was this; "Liz Truss throws Kwarteng under a bus while reversing said bus over a cliff"

Can it get any worse?

I have, unfortunately, the deep suspicion that it can, I mean Jeremy ** Hunt as CotE.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Ryan Bourne, the former head of public affairs at the rightwing Institute for Economic Affairs, has called on Liz Truss to resign as prime minister. The IEA is the rar-right think tank behind the Truss and Kwarteng tax cutting agenda. However, Bourne has said:
"The Prime Minister was culpable for not making some offsetting fiscal adjustments alongside her trailed tax cuts. The Tory party have since closed off any other route to letting her maintain those core pledges. There is no point being in position but not in power. Her backbench MPs are forcing her to consolidate the public finances via means antithetical to her economic ideas. She should let the social democrats have their party back."
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Social democrats 🤣
 
Got to be one of the few occasions where a PM presser is actually shorter than the allotted time for news highlights.

I feel that I should be sorry for her, but this is all her own doing, her ego and flawed ideology. I have zero sympathy for her, because she has no self-awareness. As a statesperson she is an embarrassment to the UK.

Never in private business would this be allowed to happen, but we have a system that allows someone so obviously unqualified to become PM. It’s like appointing the admin assistant to the role of Chief Exec.

Future classes of politics & economics students won’t believe this actually happened.
 
TimperleyTangerine said:
Got to be one of the few occasions where a PM presser is actually shorter than the allotted time for news highlights.

I feel that I should be sorry for her, but this is all her own doing, her ego and flawed ideology. I have zero sympathy for her, because she has no self-awareness. As a statesperson she is an embarrassment to the UK.

Never in private business would this be allowed to happen, but we have a system that allows someone so obviously unqualified to become PM. It’s like appointing the admin assistant to the role of Chief Exec.

Future classes of politics & economics students won’t believe this actually happened.
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not unpredicted. the consensus of opinion tended towards her being a completely useless PM.

also it happens a lot in private business, the number of big company CEO's that I've encountered over the years who shouldn't have been given responsibility of opening the biscuits at a meeting is too high to count. It would be easier to count the CEO's who I thought were competent, which I could probably do on a burnley hand
 
Always tangerine said:
Tories trawling the same old fetid, stinking pond for another round of " leaders" .
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Its getting to be like one of those sports events / games where everyone gets a go no matter how ** useless they are.

The movers and shakers at Tufton Street are looking down the line at the equivalent of the fat asthmatic kid in a wheelchair as the new number 9.
 
Costero Poderoso said:
not unpredicted. the consensus of opinion tended towards her being a completely useless PM.

also it happens a lot in private business, the number of big company CEO's that I've encountered over the years who shouldn't have been given responsibility of opening the biscuits at a meeting is too high to count. It would be easier to count the CEO's who I thought were competent, which I could probably do on burnley hand
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Absolutely it was predicted and that’s why it can never be allowed again, that fewer than 200k party members can elect a PM.

I take your other point, but we are talking here about experience and competence. Even a poor CEO has a level of relevant experience. Truss has neither and unlike Boris, she doesn’t even have the personality to carry off the bull.
 
Costero Poderoso said:
also it happens a lot in private business, the number of big company CEO's that I've encountered over the years who shouldn't have been given responsibility of opening the biscuits at a meeting is too high to count. It would be easier to count the CEO's who I thought were competent, which I could probably do on a burnley hand
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Yep, those that aren`t pyschopaths are probably suffering from Dunning Kruger. Sadly Truss is probably both...
 
The Tories appointing Liz Truss as PM was an enormous own goal that basically sealed their fate at the next GE. Even her supporters must be regretting their decision now as she's made an absolute mess of it within a month. The party members chose ideology over common sense for the current economic situation, and they're going to pay the price. It really isn't difficult to understand that slashing taxes and paying for it by borrowing huge sums of money at a time of rampant inflation is a terrible idea. You can't just rush in and implement ideological changes without respecting the economic circumstances of the moment. Utterly ridiculous.

I really don't see how they can come back from this to win the next GE, I really don't. It's a way off I know, but this is so bad, and the gap between Lab and Con so wide, I don't think it can be done.
 
BFC_53 said:
The Tories appointing Liz Truss as PM was an enormous own goal that basically sealed their fate at the next GE. Even her supporters must be regretting their decision now as she's made an absolute mess of it within a month. The party members chose ideology over common sense for the current economic situation, and they're going to pay the price. It really isn't difficult to understand that slashing taxes and paying for it by borrowing huge sums of money at a time of rampant inflation is a terrible idea. You can't just rush in and implement ideological changes without respecting the economic circumstances of the moment. Utterly ridiculous.

I really don't see how they can come back from this to win the next GE, I really don't. It's a way off I know, but this is so bad, and the gap between Lab and Con so wide, I don't think it can be done.
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Only 81,000 of them chose her, and probably many of them did so, not because of her economic plan, but because they felt Rishi stabbed Boris in the back. Revenge isn’t always sweet
 
BFC_53 said:
The Tories appointing Liz Truss as PM was an enormous own goal that basically sealed their fate at the next GE. Even her supporters must be regretting their decision now as she's made an absolute mess of it within a month. The party members chose ideology over common sense for the current economic situation, and they're going to pay the price. It really isn't difficult to understand that slashing taxes and paying for it by borrowing huge sums of money at a time of rampant inflation is a terrible idea. You can't just rush in and implement ideological changes without respecting the economic circumstances of the moment. Utterly ridiculous.

I really don't see how they can come back from this to win the next GE, I really don't. It's a way off I know, but this is so bad, and the gap between Lab and Con so wide, I don't think it can be done.
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I think the issue for the party is more about how they can get back into government in the next 10-15 years. We have a generation who will come to voting age with no intention of voting blue.

Unfortunately, Labour is far from a safe pair of hands, but we can only hope they learn lessons from the recent shambles that is the Tory party. I fear that when Labour come to government, we will start to see similar divisions, as personal political aspirations and ideology take priority.

We should all want the best government, irrespective of party allegiance, but as a nation we’ve been drawn into the murky world of divisive politics. It’s time for the electorate to adopt a far more challenging approach.
 
No surprise to see 'efficiencies', ie cuts to the public sector.

What have they been doing for 12 years to overlook 'efficiencies'?

Deflection as usual. Meanwhile bankers bonuses unlimited.

Her sacking Kwarteng is the same as a ventriloquist getting rid of the dummy because they don't like what it said.
 
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