Keir Starmer fully confident re Rayner

Does it ? Nothing there. Conservatives dont like an assertive , working class , Labour MP with a northern accent. Maximum amount she might owe in tax is about £2500 it seems, but different opinions from tax experts on whether owes any tax at all . Not a criminal offence. HMRC matter.The other thing re which address was her home not likely to go anywhere I think.

Tories trying desperately to nail her while wasting police time. Meanwhile Bamford family ( Big
donors to Tories and Boris Johnson) being investigated by HMRC as to whether might owe £500 million tax. Daily Mail probably not bothered about that.
 
Labour are fucked if she has to leave.

The Deputy has to be voted in and that would leave the door wide open(and they'd win)to a very pro Palestine anti Israel candidate leaving Kier with a few problems not to mention his Jewish wife!
 
If she is found to have broken the law, i.e. convicted, in which case there would be no alternative.
 
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Always tangerine said:
Does it ? Nothing there. Conservatives dont like an assertive , working class , Labour MP with a northern accent. Maximum amount she might owe in tax is about £2500 it seems, but different opinions from tax experts on whether owes any tax at all . Not a criminal offence. HMRC matter.The other thing re which address was her home not likely to go anywhere I think.
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The latest thinking is it's not the CGT she has to worry about, it's the right to buy discount that should've been repaid that's the killer, and the fact that she falsified her entry on the electoral register makes it look like a deliberate fraud rather than a simple mistake.

I also wonder if she declared any rents received from her brother whilst he was letting the place, because, again, that's not something that can be explained as a "mistake".

Finally, if it was just the CGT, the sensible thing to would be to admit the mistake, pay the small amount of tax, publish the "advice" and then move on, the fact that she's not doing this suggests (strongly) that she has something much more serious to hide.

This isn't going away.
 
Always tangerine said:
Does it ? Nothing there. Conservatives dont like an assertive , working class , Labour MP with a northern accent. Maximum amount she might owe in tax is about £2500 it seems, but different opinions from tax experts on whether owes any tax at all . Not a criminal offence. HMRC matter.The other thing re which address was her home not likely to go anywhere I think.

Tories trying desperately to nail her while wasting police time. Meanwhile Bamford family ( Big
donors to Tories and Boris Johnson) being investigated by HMRC as to whether might owe £500 million tax. Daily Mail probably not bothered about that.
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Zahawi 'forgot' he owed the tax man £5 million, Hunt 'forgot' he owned 7 flats in Portsmouth, Robert Jenrick rushed through planning permission to save his mate £45 million, all while being ministers.

This Raynor thing goes back to before she was an MP.

Funny how the non-dom papers are chasing the story every day while William Wragg compromises national security by sending dick pics, resulting in him being blackmailed into sending on 12 other MPs phone numbers, a couple of whom also sent dick pics. That was in the news a day, then buried, while Hunt called him 'courageous' for admitting it. Absolutely bizarre how the media set the agenda.
 
Wizaard said:
Zahawi 'forgot' he owed the tax man £5 million, Hunt 'forgot' he owned 7 flats in Portsmouth, Robert Jenrick rushed through planning permission to save his mate £45 million, all while being ministers.

This Raynor thing goes back to before she was an MP.

Funny how the non-dom papers are chasing the story every day while William Wragg compromises national security by sending dick pics, resulting in him being blackmailed into sending on 12 other MPs phone numbers, a couple of whom also sent dick pics. That was in the news a day, then buried, while Hunt called him 'courageous' for admitting it. Absolutely bizarre how the media set the agenda.
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It's not so bizarre that the media set the agenda, the strange thing is thick cnuts keep falling for it.
 
It’s not an excuse to say look what Tory politicians have done. IF and as yet not proven, she has lied about her residency it’s not acceptable because we need complete honesty in the new government. Her neighbors seem very annoyed about this
 
Curryman said:
It would appear that as with most things parliamentarians' get up to, there is more to the dick pics than has previously been disclosed.

www.bbc.co.uk

The Westminster honeytrap mystery is even stranger than we thought

The BBC unearths crucial new details about the WhatsApp phishing scandal rocking Westminster.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Well that was a long walk across a cold, wind-swept beach to a cafe that was closed!

Regarding Raynor, I believe she has offered to step down if found guilty of an offence, which is fair enough by me.

I would make the distinction that she was not an MP at the time, and it is a lot more reprehensible when it is a person who is in power and abusing their position for self gain, or the benefit of friends or acquaintances. However, nobody should be above the law and this should be left to play out without it being front page news...
 
Angie baby is the one they fear the most. Tories detest her so called Northerrness . SORRY thats just a made up word . But you get my point. grant s...house has little to crow about.
 
As someone who cannot stand any political party at the moment and really wants honesty and integrity from politicians.

If she has defrauded anything or lied she has to go - as any politician should!

The argument the Tory’s have been worse is a joke - they all need to be clean regardless of party.
 
Lost Seasider said:
The latest thinking is it's not the CGT she has to worry about, it's the right to buy discount that should've been repaid that's the killer, and the fact that she falsified her entry on the electoral register makes it look like a deliberate fraud rather than a simple mistake.

I also wonder if she declared any rents received from her brother whilst he was letting the place, because, again, that's not something that can be explained as a "mistake".

Finally, if it was just the CGT, the sensible thing to would be to admit the mistake, pay the small amount of tax, publish the "advice" and then move on, the fact that she's not doing this suggests (strongly) that she has something much more serious to hide.

This isn't going away.
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There is no issue with the Right to Buy rules as she sold the house 8 years after first buying it which is outside the timeframe for repaying any of the discount.
 
Bend it like Suddick said:
So morals and law abiding is only accountable then?
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There is no comparison between Ministers literally taking millions and Raynor who hasn't done anything wrong at this point. I suppose you believe in innocent until proven guilty?

Forgot to mention the £800,000 of public money that has been spent on legal fees for a libellous remark made by another minister..why are we paying?
 
Wizaard said:
There is no comparison between Ministers literally taking millions and Raynor who hasn't done anything wrong at this point. I suppose you believe in innocent until proven guilty?
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Youve answered your own question...how many of these have been prosecuted?

Like Rayner, doesn't mean they are innocent, but would be nice to hear you admit, that your Party actually aren't perfect either.

Oh and the revelation that Captain Hindsight hasn't seen Rayners documentation is absolutely ludicrous....mind you he has form for this.
 
Bend it like Suddick said:
Youve answered your own question...how many of these have been prosecuted?

Like Rayner, doesn't mean they are innocent, but would be nice to hear you admit, that your Party actually aren't perfect either.

Oh and the revelation that Captain Hindsight hasn't seen Rayners documentation is absolutely ludicrous....mind you he has form for this.
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Zahawi had to repay £5.8 million plus charges for his forgetfulness.

World of difference.
 
Wizaard said:
HMRC prosecution. £2 million fine
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Nope, it was an agreed penalty not a prosecution...still waiting

I agree about the premise of innocent before guilty, but as it stands Rayner with the new evidence could face a criminal prosecution.

You also haven't commented on Starmers pathetic lack of knowledge over the details, bearing in mind his connection with CPS and he's the leader of her Party.

Im actually looking forward to Labours next tenure, because if you think this Government has been a car crash, just wait for Starmer's lot to get started...it's going to be fun. Feel free to bookmark it.
 
Lost Seasider said:
The latest thinking is it's not the CGT she has to worry about, it's the right to buy discount that should've been repaid that's the killer, and the fact that she falsified her entry on the electoral register makes it look like a deliberate fraud rather than a simple mistake.

I also wonder if she declared any rents received from her brother whilst he was letting the place, because, again, that's not something that can be explained as a "mistake".

Finally, if it was just the CGT, the sensible thing to would be to admit the mistake, pay the small amount of tax, publish the "advice" and then move on, the fact that she's not doing this suggests (strongly) that she has something much more serious to hide.

This isn't going away.
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To quote your own words about Michelle Mone to this: “Has she been charged with anything yet?”
 
Bend it like Suddick said:
Nope, it was an agreed penalty not a prosecution...still waiting

I agree about the premise of innocent before guilty, but as it stands Rayner with the new evidence could face a criminal prosecution.

You also haven't commented on Starmers pathetic lack of knowledge over the details, bearing in mind his connection with CPS and he's the leader of her Party.

Im actually looking forward to Labours next tenure, because if you think this Government has been a car crash, just wait for Starmer's lot to get started...it's going to be fun. Feel free to bookmark it.
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You want the next government to be worse than this one? Its going to be fun if the poor get even more screwed, the NHS even more broken, the environment even more fucked, the rich even richer, business stamp on normal people even more, fuel bills get even higher, corruption runs even more amok, the economy struggles even more. .?

Fun?
 
Chunkylad said:
You have to rise above it Vincent and show you won’t be dragged into the same sniping.

AR has not been charged of anything yet.
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The difference is that MM is an obscure member of the HoL, AR may well be DPM by the end of the year.

This could all have been cleared up with full transparency about her tax affairs in the years in question, I doubt there's anything terribly interesting in there anyway, the fact that this has been allowed to drag on for 2 months now makes it look like she has something to hide.

This is not going away, this needs to be answered.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
You want the next government to be worse than this one? Its going to be fun if the poor get even more screwed, the NHS even more broken, the environment even more fucked, the rich even richer, business stamp on normal people even more, fuel bills get even higher, corruption runs even more amok, the economy struggles even more. .?

Fun?
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You think that’s what’s gonna happen?
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
You want the next government to be worse than this one? Its going to be fun if the poor get even more screwed, the NHS even more broken, the environment even more fucked, the rich even richer, business stamp on normal people even more, fuel bills get even higher, corruption runs even more amok, the economy struggles even more. .?

Fun?
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Where did I say I wanted it to be fun?

it was also me being facetious in response to Wiz


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Let's be fair, Labour could turn out to be just as tax dodging as the tories and they're still getting in, in the next election. All this seems like smoke and mirrors to a certain extent, this most certainly will not stop them winning even if she is found guilty.
 
They would love to get her but she s said that if found guilty she will step down so we're s the big story here, there ain't one
 
AR is confident that she's done no wrong.
KS is just as confident that she hasn't.
Before going public with such statements, I'd be amazed if they hadn't interrogated their advisors, to ensure AR has crossed her T's and dotted her I's.
KS is a barrister & former attorney general, who's whole career was built on paying attention to detail, sticking to facts & never winging anything.
Time will tell and I have been 'amazed' & wrong many times before 🤣
 
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