European Super League Announcement

It’s simple, these clubs have found during the pandemic, that they don’t need fans to make money. TV will pay them more.

Let them go, prevent them playing in any domestic league or cup, ban players from those clubs playing for their countries, or being allowed to transfer to any football league club, anywhere in the world, and prevent them from buying players from any othe club.

Then we get on and create big clubs from those left.
 
How many do you think would turn down a multi-million contract?
Every Premier league and most Championship clubs are already paying multi million pound contracts.

How wealthy do you have to be? Surely every player wants to win stuff, and not being able to play for your country, win your domestic league or an FA Cup will count for many. Will Harry Kane not want to play for England?
 
Bayern are part owned by the fans 2020 and that could be a factor in the decision making process, not sure about PSG.

Bayern

I am sure that could be a factor as you suggest.

I'd imagine there are lots of valid factors regarding the venture that we could discuss and debate all day, I just feel that if the venture was to be a success then clubs like Bayern would continually explore the possibility of joining in.

If Bayern and their like are saying no, no and no forever then fair enough.

Are you a Bayern man yourself ?
 
British clubs owned by foreigners and watched by big Asian audiences. That's what it will be. I think fuck em, but then I think its ironic that the football league will be asking for our help, but what did they do for us and other clubs when we needed help.
 
The European Clubs Association held an emergency meeting last at which the likes of PSG, Bayern M and Ajax were present. The 12 renegades were invited but did not attend
 
They shouldnt be allowed to play in the Premier League and play in this....I have no objection to them leaving the Premier league under one condition...under NO circumstances whatsoever should they EVER be allowed back in to English football
They arnt leavening the premier league though?
 
It reminds me of Kerry Packers cricket circus in the mid 70's & those who took the dosh were banned from International cricket, well at least initially. I agree with Gary Neville relegate the lot of them or ban them from normal league football. That may stir up a few Scouser's & Manc's up a little, team busses being attached will be small fry. As usual the lawyers will be the winners as all the players involved will battle it out in court. For all the wrong reasons it'll be interesting to see how this pans out.
 
Doubtless, but the irony is, the lower you are, the less dependent you are on that money. It's still very useful, but actually, the clubs that are already very well run (and there are some at our level and below) are in better position to cut wages a bit, redouble their efforts and break even. It's clubs like Reading that are potentially absolutely fucked beyond belief if the possibility of the Premier millions dies as their ownership has no reason to hang around and they're losing money hand over fist.

Whilst I can see some of the smallest clubs maybe moving more towards a part time model or cutting staffing etc, I can see some mid rank clubs absolutely hitting the wall at 100 mph and that being a shit show because they've gambled the house, ground and the chairman's socks on reaping the rewards of promotion or champions League and that suddenly isn't there. And unlike a bet, you aren't getting the stake back.
Yep. But I wouldn't play down the money smaller clubs get from TV. It still is important and some will suffer and as you say go part time.

The way I see the ESL panning out is with 2 divisions of 18 and promotion to from domestic leagues- that may be by a variation of the CL and/of play off's between domestic champions. That is some time off, but it would provide domestic incentive which would drive up TV money. That will be part of the inevitable compromise. Meantime the 6 will continue in the PL and drop the cups for the ESL (CL on steroids).
 
They arnt leavening the premier league though?
Indeed-a finger in every pie still.

Its quite amusing to read the outpouring on social media, as fans are complaining about the ESL killing the game but still subscribing to Sky TV.
They'll have bought a Maccies yesterday whilst wearing an Adidas top and trainers, then driven home in a Chevrolet SUV to catch the teatime game.

Marketing is everything and if you jump into bed with the devil because of that then you're part of the problem.
 
They arnt leavening the premier league though?
If they got thrown out of domestic competitions, as I am positive rules have been broken here. The US billionaires will end up considerably poorer, SHAME.
They may not want to leave the Prem, but will other clubs in the top half of the Prem be happy having nothing to play for?
The fact that they have undermined Uefa and the Prem league would be reason enough to throw them out, Ps clubs would be promoted throughout the pyramid to make up the shortfall, maybe we would be championship by default
 
Bayern

I am sure that could be a factor as you suggest.

I'd imagine there are lots of valid factors regarding the venture that we could discuss and debate all day, I just feel that if the venture was to be a success then clubs like Bayern would continually explore the possibility of joining in.

If Bayern and their like are saying no, no and no forever then fair enough.

Are you a Bayern man yourself ?

RB Leipzig will sign up to represent Germany.
 
Rumour has it Jose Mourinho has had a massive row with Daniel Levi about this super league nonsense and refused to take the players out training, so Levi has sacked him.

Imagine if Klopp, Solskjaer et all walked because of this 😯
 
The facts are simple this new league will only be achievable with huge investment from TV and other sponsorship. To stop it happening is easy these ‘backers’ are where to target, and implement severe sanctions against them, along with the the clubs and the players. I am already sick of the greed at the top level of football and it’s killing the game, the authorities need to grow some balls and throw the book at them if they attempt to take this further.
 
Jesus.

That sort of money won't distort the Premier League at all will it? I mean, it's distorted as fuck now but it's going to be... Actually, I don't have a metaphor. It's just off the scale.

If those are the sums of money, then maybe they will just shrug when the FA tells them to fuck off. If it doesn't I think the rest of football should form a new FA and refuse to play with them.
Refusing to play these teams should have happened a long time ago in the Premier League. It has always been the single biggest stick for the rest of the clubs to fight back with. I think it happened successfully before in rugby.

The Premier League managed to get away with this charade for too many years. There hasn't been any true competition in it for a very long time. Surprised fans took so long to realise and put up with the endless repetition year after year.

I really hope those clubs go and this allows for a reset in the distribution of money so we get the balance back to true, interesting, unpredictable domestic football again. Fans of all clubs, apart from those clubs that went on their owner's trip to greed oblivion, will all benefit from a more level playing field. We will see sport again.
 
A Rangers type deterrent might help focus their minds on what is important.
6th fier football whilst saddled with Prem league wages
 
The facts are simple this new league will only be achievable with huge investment from TV and other sponsorship. To stop it happening is easy these ‘backers’ are where to target, and implement severe sanctions against them, along with the the clubs and the players. I am already sick of the greed at the top level of football and it’s killing the game, the authorities need to grow some balls and throw the book at them if they attempt to take this further.
Problem is TV money isn't really generated from ground attending fans- they are a very small percentage and frankly considered a minority interest.
 
Indeed-a finger in every pie still.

Its quite amusing to read the outpouring on social media, as fans are complaining about the ESL killing the game but still subscribing to Sky TV.
They'll have bought a Maccies yesterday whilst wearing an Adidas top and trainers, then driven home in a Chevrolet SUV to catch the teatime game.

Marketing is everything and if you jump into bed with the devil because of that then you're part of the problem.
I agree with all that except the Adidas bit, don't ever criticise Adidas, for they are the gods of sports casual.
 
Wait the fans of the big four, plus Arsenal and Spurs, to be in uproar when their first " home" game is played in Qatar, US, Saudi, Japan, China etc etc.
Let them crack on with The Fantasy Football Harlem Globetrotters Friendly League...fuck em.
I can see the day coming that all of Liverpool's 'home' games are played in Asia or America... not least to make sure the opposition's coach windows are safe.
 
Let's say Man Utd have 250,000 regulars who attend throughout the season. They could all boycott, not buy a scarf or shirt etc. but the problem is there'll be another 250,000 so called fans behind them in the queue who'd gladly watch Man United in whatever guise.

This will happen, corporate club owners and not custodians will make it thus, players will play in it as they're contracted by their clubs not by fans, they will fill stadiums, fans will watch (especially global TV audiences), Liverpool vs Barcelona at the Denver Broncos stadium will happen, Amazon/Google or Facebook will be its platform however the Premier League and our pyramid will still exist and the top league will be arguable more competitive as a result but they do need to learn quickly about distribution of wealth.

It's just all very sad.
 
One for our wordsmith, td53, to get into his next blog.
Susie Dent on Twitter: "Word of the day is 'ingordigiousness': extreme greed; an insatiable desire for wealth at any cost."
I think Rachel Riley must have prompted her. 😃
 
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Yep. But I wouldn't play down the money smaller clubs get from TV. It still is important and some will suffer and as you say go part time.

The way I see the ESL panning out is with 2 divisions of 18 and promotion to from domestic leagues- that may be by a variation of the CL and/of play off's between domestic champions. That is some time off, but it would provide domestic incentive which would drive up TV money. That will be part of the inevitable compromise. Meantime the 6 will continue in the PL and drop the cups for the ESL (CL on steroids).
Yes, the agenda is definitely going to be about expansion, but I imagine it's a global agenda, not a european one. Why would you want to stay within europe if you could invite Boca, some stupid indian and chinese made up franchise super team, the best US side and so on. I think we've possibly got a league/union type split coming up here as the above would make promotion and relegation (from the league itself) very hard to work out and I don't think any of the clubs would want to include jeapordy in the rules as the risk they're taking is already a gamble.

If FIFA won't have it,set up a new body. What's stopping them? I can see a league/union style split here. Two games, not one. Marginally different in style, very different in audience and culture.
 
Refusing to play these teams should have happened a long time ago in the Premier League. It has always been the single biggest stick for the rest of the clubs to fight back with. I think it happened successfully before in rugby.

The Premier League managed to get away with this charade for too many years. There hasn't been any true competition in it for a very long time. Surprised fans took so long to realise and put up with the endless repetition year after year.

I really hope those clubs go and this allows for a reset in the distribution of money so we get the balance back to true, interesting, unpredictable domestic football again. Fans of all clubs, apart from those clubs that went on their owner's trip to greed oblivion, will all benefit from a more level playing field. We will see sport again.
Amen.
 
Liverpool fans are having a Kop strop demanding all their flags be removed from behind the goal in protest.

More space freed up for advertising revenue
 
Yes, the agenda is definitely going to be about expansion, but I imagine it's a global agenda, not a european one. Why would you want to stay within europe if you could invite Boca, some stupid indian and chinese made up franchise super team, the best US side and so on. I think we've possibly got a league/union type split coming up here as the above would make promotion and relegation (from the league itself) very hard to work out and I don't think any of the clubs would want to include jeapordy in the rules as the risk they're taking is already a gamble.

If FIFA won't have it,set up a new body. What's stopping them? I can see a league/union style split here. Two games, not one. Marginally different in style, very different in audience and culture.
I think when it's set up there will be 15 untouchable teams no matter what happens* and 21 potential floaters who could be relegated. That is the key for me- a compromise that allows the likes of Soton, Leicester etc to have the dream of the big bucks. That will be needed if foreign megamoney is going to be poured into aspiring teams (possibly a bad thing).

*In the event of finishing bottom they would be the subject of re-election, which is strangely what happened in the FL when the game was 'for the fans'- just not non-league ones.
 
I've seen a lot of messages online about how the Premier League won't kick these clubs out because it wouldn't survive without them. But not many messages about the clubs in question being unable to survive if they weren't able to compete in their domestic leagues.
The Premier League need to call their bluff here, and suspend them indefinitely. Anyone think that the six clubs would be able to pay its players without Prem TV money or matchday revenue from 38 league games plus cup? Does anyone think they would attract the worlds top players without being able to play regular domestic football? The clubs would back down, not the league. It just needs to enforce its own rules (which does not permit what they're doing), and hold their nerve.
 
I think when it's set up there will be 15 untouchable teams no matter what happens* and 21 potential floaters who could be relegated. That is the key for me- a compromise that allows the likes of Soton, Leicester etc to have the dream of the big bucks. That will be needed if foreign megamoney is going to be poured into aspiring teams (possibly a bad thing).

*In the event of finishing bottom they would be the subject of re-election, which is strangely what happened in the FL when the game was 'for the fans'- just not non-league ones.
This is true enough.

I think the issue will be they may have to keep the Soton's of the globe happy and that's going to be tough as the more countries you have, the narrower the chances of promotion are.

Plus, every country not involved (I dunno, poland, Russia at this point) will be absolutely raging at FIFA/Uefa as it fucks them up as well as the champions league ceases to be lucrative.

They're either going to want in or want it dead.

More people you let it, the harder it becomes to sell to your league as the more thinly spread the 'opportunities' are for Soton.
 
Bayern

I am sure that could be a factor as you suggest.

I'd imagine there are lots of valid factors regarding the venture that we could discuss and debate all day, I just feel that if the venture was to be a success then clubs like Bayern would continually explore the possibility of joining in.

If Bayern and their like are saying no, no and no forever then fair enough.

Are you a Bayern man yourself ?
Lived there for 16 years and used to go and watch them quite a bit especially in the Olympiastadion as it was quite easy to get tickets. Became a lot more difficult when then they moved to the Allianz Arena which was when l realised that the club was owned 51% by the fans so they snapped the tickets up!
 
This is true enough.

I think the issue will be they may have to keep the Soton's of the globe happy and that's going to be tough as the more countries you have, the narrower the chances of promotion are.

Plus, every country not involved (I dunno, poland, Russia at this point) will be absolutely raging at FIFA/Uefa as it fucks them up as well as the champions league ceases to be lucrative.

They're either going to want in or want it dead.

More people you let it, the harder it becomes to sell to your league as the more thinly spread the 'opportunities' are for Soton.
Yep. Which is why I see the compromise as promotion and relegation.

However, I don't see it global as the number involved would eliminate perhaps the likes of Sevilla, Porto et al.

I can see whoever is behind the ESL setting up a World Series League to encompass Boca, Perth Glory, Shanghai Superstars, LA ? and the having a Universe Play Off series between the 2.
 
Yep. Which is why I see the compromise as promotion and relegation.

However, I don't see it global as the number involved would eliminate perhaps the likes of Sevilla, Porto et al.

I can see whoever is behind the ESL setting up a World Series League to encompass Boca, Perth Glory, Shanghai Superstars, LA ? and the having a Universe Play Off series between the 2.
Jesus. Yes.
 
UEFA wants to ban players from national teams.

I really can't see that happening. The legal challenge would be very strong.
 
Wait the fans of the big four, plus Arsenal and Spurs, to be in uproar when their first " home" game is played in Qatar, US, Saudi, Japan, China etc etc.
Let them crack on with The Fantasy Football Harlem Globetrotters Friendly League...fuck em.
From what I've heard so far hardly any of the fans of the 6 English clubs involved want it to happen. If everybody else stands firm and stands together maybe we will scare these billionaire franchise owners away from European football.
From what I can gather player wages are the thing driving this, here is a simple solution do not pay your staff more than you can afford!
The fact that an American bank are one of the big players in this tells me a lot, these big clubs want a short term cash boost with no regard to the past or the long term future.
If it comes to it, stand firm and kick them out, I have even heard Spurs and Chelsea supporters advocating that course of action today.
 
It truly is wrong but this has been on the cards for a decade or more, as soon as Manure were taken over there were conversations about how the big teams could isolate themselves in the PL and how big european games could be guaranteed. The owners of those clubs dont want to be playing FC Khimilnitsky in some freezing east european backwater, they want a revolving door of Juve, (un) Real, Barca, plus a few others that will guarantee advertisers, because the point of view here is they are not even trying to appel to fans, they are just appealing to advertisers.

There is a baseball stadium in the states that has an aquarium that goes all the way around - why? why would you need that? I get the baseball is for most, a more boring version of cricket, but if you are not intersted in the game why would paying several hundred dollars for one of the premium seats at a game and that is the only place you can actually see anything, why would you pay those several hundred dollars to look at a mundane aquarium. If you are interested in the game you will be watching the game, if you are interested in aquatic creatures there are lakes, rivers and oceans and ** amazing aquariums all over the world. It's an appeal to advertisers, an appeal to the real revenue.

The thing that stops this is advertisers refusing to get on board, and what stops them getting on board is customers of those companies telling them, by not buying / using their products. The big problem many of the companies involved in sports sponsorship have already got their own markets sewn up; think Visa, Mastercard, or are so big this is how they maintain recognition beyond the smaller competition who just cannot buy that level of exposure. The same financial companies behind big football clubs are behind other big companies, its an entirely m*st*rbatory approach and has the same results.

FIFA, UEFA, the FA, PL, EFL, la liga, FFF et al, bear as much responsibility and are just as big a problem as this new league, all of them are running some form of cartel that gives preference to a small minority of participants, or are fundamentally corrupt.

Personally I would say let them go, and let football come back to those who actually watch it.

It would be interesting to see the professional and semi pro clubs (c120 pro, 4/500 semi pro?) plus all the amateur clubs in England decide to get on board and tell these six to just f*ck right off and also to start putting demands on the FA, EFL and PL to run the game for the game, not for the corporate interests or the interests of those who are currently in charge of the various bodies.

Of course you will get the self interested owners of Wet Spam, and Newcastle and a few others looking to get on board, plus the aforementioned administrators looking to protect their own personal interests (looking for administration jobs), so getting a concensus would have to start at the bottom. but you could see the effect of a few hundred clubs pulling out of the FA cup, or 60 or so clubs pulling out of the EFL and starting anew. . . . . . . . . and then i woke up.
 
It all stinks of American capitalism taken to the absolute extreme limit. To these stinking rich, greedy capitalists, it matters not one jot that this is football.

American owners and banks have targeted a monopoly situation where 'franchises' already hold guaranteed returns and where even more of a monopoly and yet higher guaranteed profits can be creamed from it. For all they care, it might as well be exploiting iron ore companies, destroying ancient outback settlements, rather than football heritage and the hopes, dreams and enjoyment of millions of football fans. It's just a way of guaranteed mega bucks. The writing was on the wall with the Glazers. We all knew it was odd when Americans got involved with a sport they don't have much affinity to. This is why.
 
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I think we might need to limit foreign ownership of our clubs. They don’t seem to have a duty of care. The German system of 51% fan ownership would sort it out, but to the Government that might seem too much like... errrr... socialism.
 
We now know it's a competition to replace the Champions League this will have little to no effect on anything other than the control/power of Uefa.

Teams can be promoted/relegated.
 
We now know it's a competition to replace the Champions League this will have little to no effect on anything other than the control/power of Uefa.

Teams can be promoted/relegated.
The 15 “Founding Members” of the ESL would be protected from relegation, forever. Thus preventing true competition in the domestic leagues, such as Leicester qualifying for the Champions’ League and getting to the QFs. And the revenue from whoever funds this would go disproportionately to these “elite” unrelegatable clubs.

It would be nice, if this goes ahead, if their fans were united enough to ensure that all the games of these ESL clubs were played in front of empty stands. However, from our Oystonesque bum-spiders experience, we know that some idiots would continue to turn up.
 
Reading about this in the media today and this is quite possibly the biggest can of worms football has ever opened and be interesting to see it play out. Personally I think it will be scraped.
 
It will be interesting to hear how Jürgen Klopp responds to questions about the ESL tonight. In the past he has been very outspoken against the idea. Klopp and his staff were given contract extensions in 2016 that run to 2022. If Klopp were to say that he would not renew his contract as LFC manager should the club join the ESL that would have a huge galvanising effect on his fans. And we have seen how Liverpool fans can unite and boycott their enemies, like the Sun. Many other clubs’ fans would follow them.
 
Surprised we haven't been invited, since we have a Ballon D'Or in the trophy room, which is more than Arsenal, Spurs, Man City and Chelsea can say 🤣
 
That PPG was how Wycombe got promoted last season. Champions for 7 years through the same rules.
 
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