European Super League Announcement

Statement as follows;

Twelve of Europe’s leading football clubs have today come together to announce they have agreed to establish a new mid-week competition, the Super League, governed by its Founding Clubs..

AC Milan, Arsenal, Atlético Madrid, Chelsea, Barcelona, Inter Milan, Juventus, Liverpool, Man City, Man Utd, Real Madrid and Tottenham Hotspur have all joined as founding clubs. It is anticipated that a further three clubs will join ahead of the inaugural season, which is intended to commence as soon as practicable.

Going forward, the Founding Clubs look forward to holding discussions with UEFA and FIFA to work together in partnership to deliver the best outcomes for the new League and for football as a whole.
 
Scaramanga said:
Never in doubt
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I'm not sure it will be a long term success but yes, I'm amazed that people are surprised that the bigger clubs would be looking at opportunities like this.

The formation of the Premier League is probably the best thing that has happened for the top clubs in English football history.

I'm not sure supporters (live or armchair) will be overly excited by the dead rubbers in a European competition but that said, I am sure the venture will employ professionals who are outstandingly successful in their fields.
 
Football civil war and fans causing trouble at the loss of their domestic games. Massive reputation brand damage.
 
BFC_Aspie said:
I'm surprised that PSG has refused to be involved, unless they see this as an opportunity to dominate the champions league with Bayern munich
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I can't pretend to be an expert on this venture but I'm not so sure the likes of PSG are Bayern would stay out for too long if such a competition was introduced.
 
They literally want to be in two leagues at once. They can fuck off. This would essentially formalise the financial doping as how can 6 clubs have the (presumably massive) income from this league as an absolute cast iron certainty and the rest of the league not.

The champions league money is bad enough, but at least you've got to actually qualify.

I think I'm also right that if you want to play football formally, you have to play under the sanction of the FA. The FA could literally say 'nope' to them playing in this country.
 
td53 said:
https://mclfoot.blogspot.com/2021/04/6-go-mad-in-europe.html

Let them go. I'll chip in for their air fare if needs be...
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Absolutely spot on, and exactly what we've warned about more than once.

If it's a ploy to change the structure of the Champions League why on earth are Spurs and Arsenal involved? Unlikely to qualify so just buy your way in.

Makes it clear that the owners of these clubs only care about the money.

Just in, they're talking about an extra midweek league. Just after moaning about having to play too many games.
 
Chunkylad said:
I’d like to see Sky and BT state openly that they would not air this league should it happen. That would be real intent.

To broadcast it should lead to a media backlash, although probably it’s more about Chinese and Asian market sales than Europe?
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I can't say I've been watching too much Sky today but the coverage I have seen doesn't suggest they are backing it to be fair to them.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
I'm not sure it will be a long term success but yes, I'm amazed that people are surprised that the bigger clubs would be looking at opportunities like this.

The formation of the Premier League is probably the best thing that has happened for the top clubs in English football history.

I'm not sure supporters (live or armchair) will be overly excited by the dead rubbers in a European competition but that said, I am sure the venture will employ professionals who are outstandingly successful in their fields.
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And destroyed the rest of football.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Statement as follows;

Twelve of Europe’s leading football clubs have today come together to announce they have agreed to establish a new mid-week competition, the Super League, governed by its Founding Clubs..

AC Milan, Arsenal, Atlético Madrid, Chelsea, Barcelona, Inter Milan, Juventus, Liverpool, Man City, Man Utd, Real Madrid and Tottenham Hotspur have all joined as founding clubs. It is anticipated that a further three clubs will join ahead of the inaugural season, which is intended to commence as soon as practicable.

Going forward, the Founding Clubs look forward to holding discussions with UEFA and FIFA to work together in partnership to deliver the best outcomes for the new League and for football as a whole.
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Pretty faceless statement issued late on a Sunday night, so no one available to front it. The only discussions that should be held by the football authorities should be about the penalties the clubs will now face
 
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td53 said:
Nah, they're not proposing leaving the domestic league - it's in place of the champions league.
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Hmm-yes initially but it could develop with more sides being invited, or (and I hope not) a second division established at a later date.

Massive development this but its been coming, where it was quite scary to hear the Sky delegate chunnering on at the EFL fans meet (in Manchester) about advertising revenues -I think some of you guys went.

All inevitable given that football 'fans' prefer to watch it on the box rather than get out and watch live matches.
 
Wizaard said:
And destroyed the rest of football.
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Its the thing in the corner of the lounge that destroyed it but that could have been mitigated with reasonable KO times. Going to places like Brighton on a Friday or having the Cup Final so fans couldnt get the train home was/is the real issue with traditional fans.
 
3.5billion euro to each club just to sign up! Where is this money coming from is what we should be told.
 
I’m still puzzled about spurs inclusion,,,..at least manufactured by wealthy owners chelsea and Man City have won trophy’s etc...spurs win fuk all...😁😁
It’ll be West Ham”London” being added next....
Let’s be honest it may well not happen but ffs ....😎
 
clappers said:
3.5billion euro to each club just to sign up! Where is this money coming from is what we should be told.
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Jesus.

That sort of money won't distort the Premier League at all will it? I mean, it's distorted as fuck now but it's going to be... Actually, I don't have a metaphor. It's just off the scale.

If those are the sums of money, then maybe they will just shrug when the FA tells them to fuck off. If it doesn't I think the rest of football should form a new FA and refuse to play with them.
 
clappers said:
3.5billion euro to each club just to sign up! Where is this money coming from is what we should be told.
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JP Morgan and led by Real Madrid, so basically two evil entities combining to create one huge evil entity.

I'm sure the Barca faithful are overjoyed to be getting in bed with Perez.
 
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Killingmesoftly said:
I’m still puzzled about spurs inclusion,,,..at least manufactured by wealthy owners chelsea and Man City have won trophy’s etc...spurs win fuk all...😁😁
It’ll be West Ham”London” being added next....
Let’s be honest it may well not happen but ffs ....😎
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Daniel Levy (Spurs owner) is a crafty cookie and miles ahead of others especially with his links to the NFL, where he wangled getting the games on at WHL pre covid.
He's also the guy who voted against away fans paying £30 and would be a big mover on this, thus making progress whilst others just stand and watch.

He's overseen a massive investment at Spurs and would imo sell his own granny if it improved their nett worth.
 
td53 said:
Jesus.

That sort of money won't distort the Premier League at all will it? I mean, it's distorted as fuck now but it's going to be... Actually, I don't have a metaphor. It's just off the scale.

If those are the sums of money, then maybe they will just shrug when the FA tells them to fuck off. If it doesn't I think the rest of football should form a new FA and refuse to play with them.
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The FA will have to climb on the backs of this like they've done with the PL,because of the marketing values associated with the England team.
Cant see any way out for them but to support it and of course turn its back on the game its supposed to be protecting.

Expect some sort of token financial gesture from the ESL towards grass roots football etc.
 
It sounds like they will play all their top players in the ESL and the under 23's in the Premier League, dumb it down like they do with the FA Cup etc.,

Seriously, I f this is the money they are getting then just tell them good luck and fuck off but don't insult the national game with your platitudes. Go, take the money and leave the rest of us to get on with football how it should be.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
They won't though, most players could earn more than they are now in China or the oil states.
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That most players could earn more money playing in China or the oil states is very probably true but any such move would mean playing at a lower level of football.

In this proposed venture that would not be the case.

Who knows what will happen with this proposed venture but I'd be struggling to believe that it would fail to get of the ground because of the threat of players being banned from representing their countries.
 
The money for each of these clubs will dwarf the premier league tv money. It will be a totally unfair advantage given to those six clubs, and they will no longer need to earn that with success on the pitch. The rest of the premier league clubs will literally have nothing to play for because there can't be a european super league and a champions league. This effectively ends the dream of european football for all clubs outside these top six. An incredibly selfish money grab by these clubs, and if you read the statement done under the pathetic guise of Covid. The clubs in question should be ashamed of themselves, and i'd be embarrassed if I were a supporter of any of them.
 
Plumbs said:
Daniel Levy (Spurs owner) is a crafty cookie and miles ahead of others especially with his links to the NFL, where he wangled getting the games on at WHL pre covid.
He's also the guy who voted against away fans paying £30 and would be a big mover on this, thus making progress whilst others just stand and watch.

He's overseen a massive investment at Spurs and would imo sell his own granny if it improved their nett worth.
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Yes I get what you saying...but if the super league is replacing the champions league, their not qualified to be in it as they’ve won nothing....😎
 
It all depends on the fan reactions from here. There has to be an uprising. This is going to kill international football, and domestic football stone dead.
 
clappers said:
It all depends on the fan reactions from here. There has to be an uprising. This is going to kill international football, and domestic football stone dead.
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I actually disagree and think it will be a good thing if the top 6 are all booted out and never allowed back...it will shake things up and reignite English football and remove the six teams who have bought their way to the top table
 
clappers said:
It all depends on the fan reactions from here. There has to be an uprising. This is going to kill international football, and domestic football stone dead.
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It won't, it just means the so called elite will go off and do their thing and those sad enough to pay to watch it will fund it, the daft bastards but the rest of football, here and in Europe, will carry on and can still have a European Cup, a cup winners cup etc., it just won't involve those from the ESL,, and to be honest who is going to miss them?
 
Wizaard said:
And destroyed the rest of football.
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Wiz

With respect - and you are possibly my favourite poster in the whole of AVFTT world - that is utter horsechite.

I did say that the formation of the Premier League was great for the top English clubs and I hope you note that but you claim that it "destroyed the rest of football".

So in the last 28 or 29 years or whatever it is, the Wizmeister has attended about 99.285% (please note Covid excluded from my thorough calculations) of Blackpool's matches and often driven the Yorkie Seasiders Mega Bus on behalf of your good friends to watch a game that has been destroyed ?

Come on Wiz, whether you like this new venture or not, you know that you will still being to watch the Mighty every week and with the same passion.

Please don't get me wrong, you don't have to like or support the new venture but whether it's successful or not, it's not going to destroy anything.

I don't really care about it myself, I just think it was inevitable.
 
To be honest, the fans I feel sorry for are the big six fans. If you're a proper Liverpool fan, it must be ** horrendous. How do you square your inspirational shankly quotes with this shit?

The uprising that is required is if the FA don't kick them out for good. You cannot possibly play in a massively money spinning super league (invitation only) and then expect to play in the domestic league as well. Not a chance.

The rest of football should boycott football if they don't. Seriously.
 
After being initially angry about it, I'm more like ok, fcuk off then. Football is the most popular sport in the world. It won't crumble because a handful of Super Clubs want to do their own thing. So long as they fcuk off, their players and coaches are no longer part of UEFA then it's fine. Opens the door for every other professional club in countries those clubs are affected by it to grow.

The Arabs and Asians can have their fake football. Hopefully could leave the real stuff to the rest of us. Maybe even make games affordable and televised on free channels for people.
 
TANGERINETOWERPOWER said:
I actually disagree and think it will be a good thing if the top 6 are all booted out and never allowed back...it will shake things up and reignite English football and remove the six teams who have bought their way to the top table
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If this proposed venture is actually introduced but dies on its @rse, I'd be amazed if the clubs and players concerned didn't just come straight back.

Are they even leaving in the first place ?
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
If this proposed venture is actually introduced but dies on its @rse, I'd be amazed if the clubs and players concerned didn't just come straight back.

Are they even leaving in the first place ?
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You are very passive aggressive tonight 2020. Playing Agent Provocateur nicely.
 
clappers said:
I think Gary Neville has singlehandedly killed it off!
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No, If it's already been killed off then the credit must go to Robbie and that Malcolm chap at the FSA that he grasses Plumbs to whenever he (Plumbs) starts pointing out a few home truths on here.

Neville is just a mouthpiece for those with the true power.
 
LimerickTangerine said:
Will it affect Our Club in anyway?
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In all seriousness...

If they leave/get kicked out + Premier League value goes tits up (i.e. the TV money dries up) then as it is, we don't get very much. We're almost never on sky and I think solidarity payments are about 700k.

What may also happen is a fall in wages at the top level (it's the clubs who are ** off who have driven the wages up, especially Chelsea and Man City at the point they entered the big money game) - that would lead to a lesser fall lower down (where the wages are not as inflated, but still inflated) and arguably the loss of the TV money would be negated.

The lower you are in the pyramid, the more your income and future is related to actual matchday revenue (and general relationship with immediate community) so if the bottom falls out the TV deal, proportionally speaking, we've less to worry about than a low rank Prem club for example.
 
Hurrah Gary Neville and that, but am I being cynical for thinking that sky have just seen their market value fall by a lot if the Premier League is now not the 'biggest show in town' and also, a bit evil for chuckling to myself about that.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
It could well do, did you think the formation of PL would effect our club in 1993?

You never know what can happen, it has implications for the whole of football.
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Perhaps the collapse of ITV Digital gives us a clue. Revenues may drop dramatically and the consolidatary payments may go (about a million pa for L1)
 
td53 said:
Hurrah Gary Neville and that, but am I being cynical for thinking that sky have just seen their market value fall by a lot if the Premier League is now not the 'biggest show in town' and also, a bit evil for chuckling to myself about that.
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I would imagine that whatever Gary Neville says will be mocked up as a "bit of bants" and Sky will be ALL in on it. They can't afford not to be.
 
Macseasider said:
You are very passive aggressive tonight 2020. Playing Agent Provocateur nicely.
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No, seriously MAC, I am just surprised that so many appear to be so shocked at this proposed venture.

I am not trying to be all "I told you so" but I think it goes without saying that such ventures are going to be explored and possibly implemented.

Look at the furore we had regarding "39th game gate" when that was in the news, Richard Scudamore would not having being doing his job if he was not looking into such ventures.

People may have moaned about the Premier League breakaway in 1992 but the Premier League has proved to be an outstanding success and continues to be so.

Please don't get me wrong MAC, you and others have raised good points re this new venture and I have doubts over whether it will prove to be a success or not but I am just surprised why folk appear so shocked and bothered about the whole thing.

Whether it actually gets implemented or not and whether it is successful or not, we'll all be OK.
 
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