European Super League Announcement

Macseasider said:
I would imagine that whatever Gary Neville says will be mocked up as a "bit of bants" and Sky will be ALL in on it. They can't afford not to be.
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I am glad it's not just me then MAC.

Were we expected to believe that Neville was singlehandedly trying to save football with his off the cuff rant that his Sky bosses knew nothing about ?
 
LimerickTangerine said:
I was only 2 back then

but i fully understand where your coming from
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And at it's most fundamental level it means that Blackpool Football Club, with it's long and proud history, along with many other proud and historic clubs are ineligible to play in the the highest and most lucrative league, just like we did merely ten years ago.
 
Macseasider said:
I would imagine that whatever Gary Neville says will be mocked up as a "bit of bants" and Sky will be ALL in on it. They can't afford not to be.
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No, what I mean is - the reason sky are so vehemently against it is, the clubs will sell TV themselves. Why do they need Sky? They've all got their own TV stations, broadcast media etc. Why on earth would you need a TV station as an intermediary in this day and age? They'll knock up their own channel/app/streaming service.

That's why sky are shitting a brick. All their big names are ranting about it. Stelling is going great guns, Neville, Micah Richards. I don't have sky, so it's just what I've seen on twitter.

If the 'super league' is priority 1 for these clubs and they get kicked out, sky are fucked. If they don't get kicked out and play weakened teams, Sky is fucked.
 
td53 said:
No, what I mean is - the reason sky are so vehemently against it is, the clubs will sell TV themselves. Why do they need Sky? They've all got their own TV stations, broadcast media etc. Why on earth would you need a TV station as an intermediary in this day and age? They'll knock up their own channel/app/streaming service.

That's why sky are shitting a brick. All their big names are ranting about it. Stelling is going great guns, Neville, Micah Richards. I don't have sky, so it's just what I've seen on twitter.

If the 'super league' is priority 1 for these clubs and they get kicked out, sky are fucked. If they don't get kicked out and play weakened teams, Sky is fucked.
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Apparently channels are already lined up and Sky isn't one of them.

Like you say, they don't even need a traditional broadcaster, lob up a streaming service, charge whatever, job done.
 
Macseasider said:
Really? So Neville is a UEFA and FA mouthpiece? Because he's done a wrecking ball job on the so called BIG 6 (one of which is his beloved Man U.).
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MAC

I was suggesting - and not seriously - that Robbie and his FSA chum had stopped this new venture in its tracks.

Neville had nothing to do with what I was saying.
 
According to the Telegraph and various reports on Twitter, all 12 clubs have officially quit the European Club Association which effectively means they are no longer part of UEFA or FIFA, and they will never play another Champions League game again.
Sad sad day. We will soon find out if the Premier League has a backbone. I suspect they won't do anything, unfortunately. No more European football for anyone else now apart from those six.
 
BFC_53 said:
According to the Telegraph and various reports on Twitter, all 12 clubs have officially quit the European Club Association which effectively means they are no longer part of UEFA or FIFA, and they will never play another Champions League game again.
Sad sad day. We will soon find out if the Premier League has a backbone. I suspect they won't do anything, unfortunately. No more European football for anyone else now apart from those six.
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Let’s hope they never play anther EPL or EFL or FA cup game ever again either.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
No, seriously MAC, I am just surprised that so many appear to be so shocked at this proposed venture.

I am not trying to be all "I told you so" but I think it goes without saying that such ventures are going to be explored and possibly implemented.

Look at the furore we had regarding "39th game gate" when that was in the news, Richard Scudamore would not having being doing his job if he was not looking into such ventures.

People may have moaned about the Premier League breakaway in 1992 but the Premier League has proved to be an outstanding success and continues to be so.

Please don't get me wrong MAC, you and others have raised good points re this new venture and I have doubts over whether it will prove to be a success or not but I am just surprised why folk appear so shocked and bothered about the whole thing.

Whether it actually gets implemented or not and whether it is successful or not, we'll all be OK.
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People have moaned about the Premier league for 29 years. It's a success in making money. As a sporting concept it's dire which has seen a quantifiable reduction in the number of different teams winning things and yielded a steadily aging demographic of supporters (i.e. it has priced out the young) as well as locking football (the national game) behind a paywallresulting in less young people being expsed to and taking up the game.

It's success is largely predicated on being 'the global league' and unfortunately for it, the very same thing that it did to the Football league is now potentially happening to it. A small group of ambitious business people in a select number of clubs have seen a better opportunity and will fuck it over, just like the Premier League fucked over the rest of the league from 92 onwards and ripped up the traditional agreements in favour of those which benefited it.

Once there is a 'bigger' and more 'global' league, the Premier League has no reason to exist in it's current form. People in Africa will not be tuning in for Crystal Palace vs Leicester City. It becomes *just another league*
 
td53 said:
No, what I mean is - the reason sky are so vehemently against it is, the clubs will sell TV themselves. Why do they need Sky? They've all got their own TV stations, broadcast media etc. Why on earth would you need a TV station as an intermediary in this day and age? They'll knock up their own channel/app/streaming service.

That's why sky are shitting a brick. All their big names are ranting about it. Stelling is going great guns, Neville, Micah Richards. I don't have sky, so it's just what I've seen on twitter.

If the 'super league' is priority 1 for these clubs and they get kicked out, sky are fucked. If they don't get kicked out and play weakened teams, Sky is fucked.
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From what I have seen of the Sky coverage today, it would appear Sky are not supporting the venture.

The broadcasting/streaming issue mentioned by Lytham and yourself is one of many, many issues relating to this venture that could be discussed forever and a day and then a bit more.

What I really want to know is which Fylde chippy will be the official Fylde chippy of this new European Super League ?
 
hertfordseasider said:
Let’s hope they never play anther EPL or EFL or FA cup game ever again either.
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I sincerely hope they don't. We'll find out soon enough, but no football competition should ever be a closed shop, and they need to do whatever it takes to stop this, even if it means expulsion from domestic leagues. If drastic action is required, it must be taken.
 
td53 said:
People have moaned about the Premier league for 29 years. It's a success in making money. As a sporting concept it's dire which has seen a quantifiable reduction in the number of different teams winning things and yielded a steadily aging demographic of supporters (i.e. it has priced out the young) as well as locking football (the national game) behind a paywallresulting in less young people being expsed to and taking up the game.

It's success is largely predicated on being 'the global league' and unfortunately for it, the very same thing that it did to the Football league is now potentially happening to it. A small group of ambitious business people in a select number of clubs have seen a better opportunity and will fuck it over, just like the Premier League fucked over the rest of the league from 92 onwards and ripped up the traditional agreements in favour of those which benefited it.

Once there is a 'bigger' and more 'global' league, the Premier League has no reason to exist in it's current form. People in Africa will not be tuning in for Crystal Palace vs Leicester City. It becomes *just another league*
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I agree with most of that and certainly the sentiment.

Like it or not, the finances/money will always be an important factor in measuring the success or failure of a venture.
 
BlackpoolJord said:
Surely the players themselves are going to play a massive part in what happens? If the majority of the worlds best players stand up and won't compete in this new league then who is really going to want to watch?
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How many do you think would turn down a multi-million contract?
 
It's fascinating just how much it's got the main associations, leagues, TV companies in a flap about it considering it's been obvious for years the way it's going to go once the champions and europa league formats started to be stretched and put behind paywalls.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
I agree with most of that and certainly the sentiment.

Like it or not, the finances/money will always be an important factor in measuring the success or failure of a venture.
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If the point of the venture is to make money I guess. It's interesting really, the Premier League has processed a lot of money but mostly the clubs haven't made much money. In fact, in a lot of cases, they've lost a lot of money. So it's arguably not been successful for them. Mike Ashley is vilified for running Newcastle at a small profit. Perhaps we're now finding out quite why certain owners ploughed massive sums into their clubs, seemingly for no reward. Perhaps all of that wasn't so altruistic and not simply because 'they loved football'

This is the end game!
 
td53 said:
If the point of the venture is to make money I guess. It's interesting really, the Premier League has processed a lot of money but mostly the clubs haven't made much money. In fact, in a lot of cases, they've lost a lot of money. So it's arguably not been successful for them. Mike Ashley is vilified for running Newcastle at a small profit. Perhaps we're now finding out quite why certain owners ploughed massive sums into their clubs, seemingly for no reward. Perhaps all of that wasn't so altruistic and not simply because 'they loved football'

This is the end game!
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td

We probably agree on just about everything and I have probably wasted 2 hours of my life on this thread that I'll never get back.

You and others make good points but I am just surprised that so many appear so surprised about the whole thing.

We will have to wait and see whether the whole thing is successful or not but either way, I'm sure it won't be the end for football or for td53.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
td

We probably agree on just about everything and I have probably wasted 2 hours of my life on this thread that I'll never get back.

You and others make good points but I am just surprised that so many appear so surprised about the whole thing.

We will have to wait and see whether the whole thing is successful or not but either way, I'm sure it won't be the end for football or for td53.
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I mean, this is why they poured all that money in. It's their end game. What they were aiming for all along. We all suspected it - I think it's just the timing that makes it more of a thing. A weird as hell time to announce it. Anyway. I was going to have an early night. That didn't happen!

In a bit.
 
I think the timing of all of this is deliberate to effectively smooth-through the proposed revised Champions League format......plans of which are announced Monday 19th.....Accept the revised Champions League format and well drop the ESL idea etc etc etc
 
KhonKaenSeasider said:
I think the timing of all of this is deliberate to effectively smooth-through the proposed revised Champions League format......plans of which are announced Monday 19th.....Accept the revised Champions League format and well drop the ESL idea etc etc
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The full statement by the clubs says they don't agree with the proposed CL changes, so it can't be an attempt to smooth through any changes. The bottom line is they want more power, control and money and have no competition to get it. And that power and control will affect domestic ss well as European football
 
I wonder what the actual true supporters of these big clubs think about this, the ones who actually go to the stadiums and watch. They obviously haven't been consulted, this is all about the greed and self interest of the club owners.
 
What a trusty disgusting idea it is. One based purely on greed and profit with no sporting integrity. This is what happens when there is so much money at the top end, all of the clubs involved are foreign owned who have no love or association with the game, it’s history or the football clubs themselves. It makes you realise how lucky we are to have the owner we have right now and how proud we are to be supporting our football club.
 
Whoever coined the phrase ‘football will eat itself’ will be smiling wryly at the moment.
The only good thing to come out of this is seeing Sky TV receive a large dose of their own poisonous medicine.
 
Let them go, ban all players from all other competitions, watch the exodus begin and the stranglehold end .. bye bye .. more room for Pool at the Top Table.
 
gjr69 said:
I wonder what the actual true supporters of these big clubs think about this, the ones who actually go to the stadiums and watch. They obviously haven't been consulted, this is all about the greed and self interest of the club owners.
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All of the 'big' 6 supporters associations and social media forums are universally against these proposals. But, when did the foreign owners of these clubs give a flying f*ck what their own supporters think?

The whole concept of sporting competion, excellence and fair play is thrown out of the window. Why not have an Olympics with just a few elite countries
 
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What's the point of City, Utd and Chelsea finishing in the top 4 this season?
Arsenal 9th won't give a fuck about their league position nor will Tottenham.
I love the bit where these clubs said it will run in conjunction with their domestic leagues. Talk about arrogance.
 
If the supporters of these clubs are against it, they could take a leaf out of our book and boycott their clubs. It hurts, as we know, but it would at least show what the average fan thinks about them.
 
Liverpool and City fan at work who live in FY8 and do go to Anfield and the Etihad have both said they will start watching Blackpool if this goes through, in some ways I am thinking it might be better for the clubs that aren't in the so called super league.
 
td53 said:
No, what I mean is - the reason sky are so vehemently against it is, the clubs will sell TV themselves. Why do they need Sky? They've all got their own TV stations, broadcast media etc. Why on earth would you need a TV station as an intermediary in this day and age? They'll knock up their own channel/app/streaming service.

That's why sky are shitting a brick. All their big names are ranting about it. Stelling is going great guns, Neville, Micah Richards. I don't have sky, so it's just what I've seen on twitter.

If the 'super league' is priority 1 for these clubs and they get kicked out, sky are fucked. If they don't get kicked out and play weakened teams, Sky is fucked.
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The streaming services like Amazon, Netflix and the ones about to enter will dwarf Sky by billions and they will get the TV rights, which is what the 6+ want.

Sky will be denied revenue from subscribers and from advertisers. The money they pay to domestic football will be reduced and that will filter down.
 
Fans need to boycott it and keep showing their opposition.

Boycott the TV subscriptions

Boycott the match day.

Boycott the sponsors.

We've all seen how crap football is on TV without fans.

You'll need 75,000 tourists every week, mid-week to make Old Trafford full and look good on the TV, and that's just a massive club like Man Utd. It won't happen.
 
I won’t repeat all the obvious disgraceful flaws in this idea, but why on earth did they give England 6 slots?
We’re all complaining (rightly so) that it would create a top 6 untouchable clubs. There’s only 3 permanent slots available, so if other nations clubs (France, Germany etc.) eventually sign up to it, their leagues will end up with just one untouchable team.
 
Best way to react to this is boycott anything to do with the Clubs involved - Fan Pwer if you are opposed to it - just watch your local live sport

I for one, hate the Man Utd ‘model’ so I refuse to watch them (they never take a casual penny off me) and I say to that Club, you might have survived COVID without fans but the fans don’t have to return or switch on their tellies - starve them - don’t even listen to or watch their results - if they are on Mof T Day turn it over or off - this might sound petty but this Club grooms every corner of Europe hoovering up any potential talent like a giant factory trawler leaving nothing left for the rest - they aren’t the only ones, but it’s us that have allowed them that power and this is thei

If you think these are community clubs think on - they see themselves as self righteous football godswho can do anything they want to the rest - they see this as the way into the Asian and Far East markets where large audience numbers and gambolling will support this plan and after this Euro league falls flat they’ll make it more global - the American owners dream.

I’m sick of greedy Chairmen (I can think of one I saw in the Rolls building), greedy players (personified in & by the Premier League), players (half of Sunderland’s problems revolved around / from Jack Rodwell - 45 matches in 3.5 seasons at a cost of £4,700 a playing minute !) ; don’t worry there’s loads more examples currently. And finally, the lack of fan power - we are just dim consumers or at least treated as such - mindless, unthinking followers. What do these people do for the good of the game, how deep have they reached into their massive pockets to assist the football pyramid especially during COVID ?

well people, time to vote with voices and feet and we have a good track record at Blackpool - a Club going very nicely thank you without all this nonsense
 
bfcpete said:
Pretty faceless statement issued late on a Sunday night, so no one available to front it. The only discussions that should be held by the football authorities should be about the penalties the clubs will now face
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My mate had a bet on Leicester to win the league at 1000/1.

Desperate for a 25 point deduction for the six.
 
Curryman said:
If the supporters of these clubs are against it, they could take a leaf out of our book and boycott their clubs. It hurts, as we know, but it would at least show what the average fan thinks about them.
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Butvwould the clubs be bothered. They say that most of their revenue comes from TV and abroad
 
If the big six get themselves immune from relegation, the EPL and EFL should change the system whereby they play ALL FA Cup, replays, and League Cup games at weekends, and set the fixtures out with as many midweek league matches as possible. Also, refuse to let the big six alter the day of the fixtures to suit themselves.
THEM MUST NOT PAMPER TO THEM.
 
fcblackpool said:
Sky will be denied revenue from subscribers and from advertisers. The money they pay to domestic football will be reduced and that will filter down.
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Doubtless, but the irony is, the lower you are, the less dependent you are on that money. It's still very useful, but actually, the clubs that are already very well run (and there are some at our level and below) are in better position to cut wages a bit, redouble their efforts and break even. It's clubs like Reading that are potentially absolutely fucked beyond belief if the possibility of the Premier millions dies as their ownership has no reason to hang around and they're losing money hand over fist.

Whilst I can see some of the smallest clubs maybe moving more towards a part time model or cutting staffing etc, I can see some mid rank clubs absolutely hitting the wall at 100 mph and that being a shit show because they've gambled the house, ground and the chairman's socks on reaping the rewards of promotion or champions League and that suddenly isn't there. And unlike a bet, you aren't getting the stake back.
 
bfcpete said:
Butvwould the clubs be bothered. They say that most of their revenue comes from TV and abroad
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It does, but what is the foreign fan buying into? The identity of the club, a slice of the 'unique atmosphere' and all that.

The individual fans are replaceable but is the atmosphere? Even a sanitised premier league is a global product because of the spectacle it produces but if fans fuck that up, it's an interesting question as to how much the rest of the world would want to buy into it.

Look at the way sky do so much of their marketing around 'passion' - if there isn't any, it's going to be a much harder sell for whoever is flogging this to the globe.
 
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