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Interesting to hear at dinner time whilst watching sky sports news (one of the most right on pc television station going)
Christopher Samba was being interviewed about Allardyce being made manager of WBA.
At the end of the interview he was asked about the taking of the knee and the questionnaire being taken at football clubs around the country asking if this should continue.
He said no the taking of the knee should not continue as there are other avenues to take. He also said it doesn't matter what slogans you wear on a tee shirt as it means nothing.
 
TheSpiritOf53 said:
Anybody who boos my team will be receiving a two-fingered salute from me, never mind the players.

I've not sat at home all season watching what is turning out to be a classic Blackpool team on a third rate stream with fourth-rate commentary play in an empty stadium only to hear some politics obsessed knuckledragger booing such a great set of players come the glorious day I get to finally set foot in Bloomfield Road again.
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If the players get abused during play or outside the stadium then you would have a point but to my knowledge they are not, it is the kneeling and raised fist that is getting disapproval.
 
Wilburrabbit said:
The fight against racism of itself is one which should be supported by all but when taking the knee becomes something done by rote it lacks credibility and smacks of tokenism. The ‘if your not with us you’re against us’ implication of this is a worrying social trend
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What slightly bemuses me is the coverage of football highlights on MOTD. We know the players all take the knee for every game but why on earth does every game highlight have to include a cameo of them doing so? Can we not just accept they have done it without needing evidence?
 
Recidivist3 said:
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Players want to continue taking a knee

Players are "overwhelmingly in support" of continuing to take the knee, says the Professional Footballers' Association.
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Poor players forced to take the knee against their wishes. When will the bullying stop?
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Yet another smug answer.

Have the players been forced?, we'll never know.
Just like the poor sods who have to keep quiet about their sexuality, are these boys being kept quiet to appease what others want.
 
Yes let’s all spare a thought for those poor, oppressed, persecuted footballers forced to take the knee against their will. How will they ever recover?
 
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Recidivist3 said:
www.bbc.co.uk

Players want to continue taking a knee

Players are "overwhelmingly in support" of continuing to take the knee, says the Professional Footballers' Association.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

Poor players forced to take the knee against their wishes. When will the bullying stop?
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I remember when the England cricketers stopped taking taking the knee during the summer, there were one or two moaners (Michael Holding being one) who got upset about it and what do you know, they were back taking the knee.
 
Ooh It’s a Corner said:
If he doesn’t like it in England he is welcome to leave as are others who do not respect the country,( it’s values and traditions ) that allows him and others of his ilk to earn a living or in a lot of cases just sponge off the rest of us
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And it's the players decision to take the knee, some of whom also give a salute. Should they be told to leave?
 
EagleDay said:
If the players get abused during play or outside the stadium then you would have a point but to my knowledge they are not, it is the kneeling and raised fist that is getting disapproval.
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Well, find another way of expressing your disapproval. It is the booing of my team's players that I object to. I don't care what they are doing at the time, they could be laying a cable pitchside for all I care, you boo you get told.
 
TheSpiritOf53 said:
Well, find another way of expressing your disapproval. It is the booing of my team's players that I object to. I don't care what they are doing at the time, they could be laying a cable pitchside for all I care, you boo you get told.
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And here lies the potential problem. A flashpoint that could be avoided.
 
TheSpiritOf53 said:
Well, find another way of expressing your disapproval. It is the booing of my team's players that I object to. I don't care what they are doing at the time, they could be laying a cable pitchside for all I care, you boo you get told.
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No matter what form of disapproval fans elected to take, they would still face accusations of racism.
 
Wizzerboy said:
Yet another smug answer.

Have the players been forced?, we'll never know.
Just like the poor sods who have to keep quiet about their sexuality, are these boys being kept quiet to appease what others want.
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You make an excellent point Wizzer.

Football supporters have regularly supported homosexuals by making light hearted and obviously ironic banter about homosexuality. And yet despite this warm welcome, there’s no openly gay player in the entire football world.
Given the evidence, I’d have to ask whether gay men are doing their bit to promote homosexuality in professional sport. Perhaps football needs a ‘push it in’ campaign to get gay people to acknowledge their place in football.
 
Personally I support the idea of black lives matter, but I have always been uneasy about the gesture itself. Taking the knee is what subjects do when meeting Royalty, it implies an inferiority of status. I approve the sentiment, but dislike the gesture. I also think it has now been going on so long it is losing its purpose and is just starting to irritate the public. Remember when we applauded the NHS workers? As time went on its impact began to deteriorate, so it was rightly dropped. In my view taking the knee has had its day. Lets find another way to make the point
 
Scaramanga said:
And here lies the potential problem. A flashpoint that could be avoided.
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True. That is something you need to put to the club or the players. If the knee is still taken and there still is booing at that point the booers are creating the flashpoint though.
 
EagleDay said:
No matter what form of disapproval fans elected to take, they would still face accusations of racism.
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And? As long as my team aren't disrespected I won't be throwing out accusations of anything. Beyond that, I don't care what anybody else says about you. I'm not interested.
 
TheSpiritOf53 said:
True. That is something you need to put to the club or the players. If the knee is still taken and there still is booing at that point the booers are creating the flashpoint though.
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What happened to tolerance and freedom of expression ?
 
Scaramanga said:
What happened to tolerance and freedom of expression ?
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You're quite right. The players are expressing their support for a campaign against all forms of discrimination and a tiny minority are being intolerant by booing their own players and implicitly saying discrimination is acceptable.
 
Wizaard said:
You're quite right. The players are expressing their support for a campaign against all forms of discrimination and a tiny minority are being intolerant by booing their own players and implicitly saying discrimination is acceptable.
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Twist it any want you want wiz, we’re were discussing a fan telling us he won’t be tolerant. wether you like it or not we are all entitled to our own opinions and expressions, even if it upsets someone.
 
Scaramanga said:
Twist it any want you want wiz, we’re were discussing a fan telling us he won’t be tolerant. wether you like it or not we are all entitled to our own opinions and expressions, even if it upsets someone.
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So fans being intolerant of players is ok then? Not twisting it, that's exactly what the booing is.
 
Wizaard said:
So fans being intolerant of players is ok then? Not twisting it, that's exactly what the booing is.
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So we’re in agreement. Players can take the knee and fans can boo the players. Both using freedom of expression.
 
Scaramanga said:
The last two replies are absolutely pathetic. I expect that type of response from CAT, but I’m afraid you have fallen there wiz. If any of you can point to a racist post from with actual racism I will hold my hand up. But I guarantee you won’t.
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Correct, what is the difficulty in trying to understand why some people don't trust BLM motives and stick with our own "Kick It Out" campaign., a campaign that was welcomed by everyone. What is the attraction in copying the Yanks?
 
Scaramanga said:
What happened to tolerance and freedom of expression ?
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You seem to have a problem understanding the concept of freedom of expression. You are free to express yourself by booing and I'm free to point out that I don't want to hear some treacherous ** disrespecting my team. I've been watching Blackpool long enough to have witnessed many occasions where the boo-boys started up and the proper fans have stood up and had a go at them for booing the team. That is what will happen here.

Freedom of expression is the freedom to speak, not the freedom to speak unchallenged.
 
TheSpiritOf53 said:
You seem to have a problem understanding the concept of freedom of expression. You are free to express yourself by booing and I'm free to point out that I don't want to hear some treacherous ** disrespecting my team. I've been watching Blackpool long enough to have witnessed many occasions where the boo-boys started up and the proper fans have stood up and had a go at them for booing the team. That is what will happen here.

Freedom of expression is the freedom to speak, not the freedom to speak unchallenged.
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You are wrong I dont Under estimate the freedom of expression. I personally wouldn’t boo, I would turn my back. But I wouldn’t disrespect the freedom of expression. You think the boo boys are booing your team/players, they wouldn’t be. Don’t think that your some sort of uber fan as you are blind to the nonsense that’s going on. You miss the point I’m afraid.that’s your choice.
 
Scaramanga said:
You are wrong I dont Under estimate the freedom of expression. I personally wouldn’t boo, I would turn my back. But I wouldn’t disrespect the freedom of expression. You think the boo boys are booing your team/players, they wouldn’t be. Don’t think that your some sort of uber fan as you are blind to the nonsense that’s going on. You miss the point I’m afraid.that’s your choice.
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If your back was turned, no problem for me, I’ll be on one’s knee 👍
 
Scaramanga said:
You are wrong I dont Under estimate the freedom of expression. I personally wouldn’t boo, I would turn my back. But I wouldn’t disrespect the freedom of expression. You think the boo boys are booing your team/players, they wouldn’t be. Don’t think that your some sort of uber fan as you are blind to the nonsense that’s going on. You miss the point I’m afraid.that’s your choice.
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I've never liked hearing our players being booed whatever the reason or however crap they have been. If you want to turn your back or mutter under your breath about how Kick it Out is better, Marxism and rioting then feel free. I'm bored with the issue now anyway if anything it is an example of US culture taking over but if our players want to take a knee I'm happy to sit there for an extra 10 seconds while they make their point.

If you boo you are booing the players whether you see it that way or not. You are showing your disapproval of what they are choosing to do.

I wouldn't say I'm any kind of uber-fan, season ticket holder but rarely goes away due to work, I just want to enjoy watching my team if we ever get back this year and can't get all het up because they want to make a gesture against racism.
 
TheSpiritOf53 said:
You seem to have a problem understanding the concept of freedom of expression. You are free to express yourself by booing and I'm free to point out that I don't want to hear some treacherous ** disrespecting my team. I've been watching Blackpool long enough to have witnessed many occasions where the boo-boys started up and the proper fans have stood up and had a go at them for booing the team. That is what will happen here.

Freedom of expression is the freedom to speak, not the freedom to speak unchallenged.
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What is a proper fan?

Any examples of proper fans had a go at the boo-boys? Are you talking one or two fans or a biggish group?
 
Scaramanga said:
You are wrong I dont Under estimate the freedom of expression. I personally wouldn’t boo, I would turn my back. But I wouldn’t disrespect the freedom of expression. You think the boo boys are booing your team/players, they wouldn’t be. Don’t think that your some sort of uber fan as you are blind to the nonsense that’s going on. You miss the point I’m afraid.that’s your choice.
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The Blackpool players kneel, some boo at that, but they're not booing the Blackpool players? I genuinely don't get that. If I'm a Blackpool player I'm being booed for kneeling.
 
Wizaard said:
The Blackpool players kneel, some boo at that, but they're not booing the Blackpool players? I genuinely don't get that. If I'm a Blackpool player I'm being booed for kneeling.
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Well you wouldn’t would you.
 
Dollar Thief said:
What is a proper fan?

Any examples of proper fans had a go at the boo-boys? Are you talking one or two fans or a biggish group?
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Someone who turns up on matchday to support their side. You don't do that by booing the players before they've kicked a ball.

By having a go I mean some of the crowd's patience finally snaps during an awful performance and boos are directed at the players, then one or two individuals get up on their hind legs and verbally attack those doing the booing. It has played out many a time in various parts of the ground at least since the late 70s when I first went as a small child. Considering we have been crap for near on thirty of the last forty-odd years I'm surprised it isn't something you have witnessed. The last example I can remember was during Lee Clark's tenure in the West but I'm sure it is something I've witnessed many a time over the years.
 
Bring Back Standing said:
A brave Lyle Taylor (Nottingham Forest) is refusing to take the knee to the BLM movement.
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Is Lyle Taylor allowed to express his views on the matter or is he "inadequate" too ?

I wouldn't like to think that opinions on this matter were prejudiced by skin colour ?

None more intolerant on this board than those who bang on about intolerance.
 
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