Wolves v Blackpool Official Matchnight Thread 29.08.23

BFC_BFC_BFC said:
No you’re not going to be right mate, you couldn’t possibly have got it more wrong. Calling for the Manager’s head after a handful of games can never ever be right.

It’s tough enough for any new manager as it is, without having fans on their backs after a handful of games.
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I'm not saying he'll be gone now, I'm talking about before Christmas, unless he becomes more adventurous and we sign 4 players by the end of Friday that is the only way he may turn it round, and the 4 players have to be something better than we have now. My real gripe is with Sadler but there's fuck all going to change there.
 
Blackpool78 said:
Can someone make 4,500 arrows for the supporters in the North and South stands to point the way to goal for Saturday, please?
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Looking at that rather bold crowd estimate, I think there's a distinct possibility of us being left with an awful lot of redundant surplus arrows ...
 
hertfordseasider said:
Evo was the obvious choice when he was ready to come here but he wasn't even considered.
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I would have loved Evo at the time but wasn't that prior to Critchley being appointed?

There's no guarantee he would have achieved what Critchley did, he's not managed to get Bolton out of League One yet after a couple of seasons. Critchley has a better record than him in League One, one full season and a promotion.
 
Bend it like Suddick said:
If Dobbs had been in charge from Christmas, we still would have been in the Championship, im sure of it.
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Ifs, buts and maybes .....

Well if the AVFTT lynch mob get their way we'll see what he is made of (in a proper context) before too long.
 
Well, that was utter shite. Absolutely nothing to take from that save Dom Thompson give it his best so of course, he was hooked off for Big Chris…

I’ve said it before but we will get ‘we didn’t realise things would turn sour so quickly with Critch’ when it’s as plain as a like staff that the atmosphere will be very toxic very quickly.

it was utterly dreadful.
 
EPM46 said:
Around half the fan base didn’t want Quitchley re-appointed, after the way he left us first time around. It was surely blatantly obvious to those who brought him back, that if he got off to a poor start, the atmosphere amongst fans would quickly turn toxic. That is exactly what has happened! Should be obvious to anyone.
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Yep. It was divisive and Sadler didn’t care about that. We needed either Dobbie or someone completely new that would have more goodwill to rely on if results and performances proved initially difficult.

Critchley has an absolutely terrible record since leaving us the first time and it’s getting worse by the game.
 
Chill out peeps! According to Simon's independent review of possible managers, Critchley name repeatedly popped up so he's obviously the right man for the job..

Unless of course Simon was holding the sheep of paper upside down?
 
BFC_53 said:
I think the Oystons appointed better managers. They had Jimmy Armfield to advise them - if only he was still around. SS would do worse than to get one or two past players on the board to help the decision making.
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That’s the problem with Critchley and his yes men, around 3/4 league games between them.
 
BFC_53 said:
I think the Oystons appointed better managers. They had Jimmy Armfield to advise them - if only he was still around. SS would do worse than to get one or two past players on the board to help the decision making.
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He has a ceo and a director of football aren't these supposed to be the experts that give him advice?
 
gjr said:
He has a ceo and a director of football aren't these supposed to be the experts that give him advice?
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Didn't he appoint Critchley before those? Could be wrong, I genuinely can't remember. But I do remember him saying he used a company to conduct a search, or something to that effect. So I suppose it could be said he has taken advice, but unfortunately we keep coming back to former managers for some reason.
 
Things looking bad at the moment, but we will probably know a fair bit more about what we are capable of after the window closes on Friday.
It sounds as if a reboot is planned, but I think we will believe it only if we see it.
It feels like Critchley has snatched shite from the jaws of pretty good in just a couple of weeks, but perhaps that was just about finding out exactly what we needed?
I don’t know, but tonight it feels like we are quite a long way off the right track.
 
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Scratcher67 said:
I wouldn't disagree there.

Grayson was the worst.

Critchley ... I could see the logic and I'm not going to spit the dummy just yet. We can't career from one Manager to the next. Or even just keep bleating the name of the person we didn't go for.

It's idiotic.
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Course we can, Dobbie, Dobbie , Dobbie, Dobbie, Dobbie, Dobbie, see it’s easy.🤣
 
Just back (in Worcester) - not good for Pool and not particularly good for Wolves - a close look at our second string reveals the cupboard is pretty bare.

Best two players for me were Jonny (who we are trying to sell) and Sarabia - most of the rest left a lot to be desired - Traore was fairly decent but got robbed of the ball a few times - including prior to the post being hit.

i’ve not seen much of Pool recently, and appreciate they rested a few, but very little cohesion and nothing like the Pool I remember from last spell in Div 1.
 
BlackpoolWolf said:
Just back (in Worcester) - not good for Pool and not particularly good for Wolves - a close look at our second string reveals the cupboard is pretty bare.

Best two players for me were Jonny (who we are trying to sell) and Sarabia - most of the rest left a lot to be desired - Traore was fairly decent but got robbed of the ball a few times - including prior to the post being hit.

i’ve not seen much of Pool recently, and appreciate they rested a few, but very little cohesion and nothing like the Pool I remember from last spell in Div 1.
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We don’t have a team, we have 11 players on the pitch.
 
BFC_53 said:
Aside from Critchley the first time around, every other manager Sadler has appointed has been one that's been unpopular with a significant portion of the fanbase. And three of the five he's appointed have been former BFC managers. That's a huge concern to me. I don't think he has a clue when it comes to managerial appointments, which is why he goes with familiarity even in the face of significant fan opposition.

We may have been playing Prem opposition, and I don't expect us to win, but I think the fans that went deserved to see us put in a display that was sufficient to have one effort on target. The fact we didn't, and haven't scored for five consecutive games now, is dreadful. Truly dreadful.

We continually took a stance under the Oystons that the season seemed to start after the transfer window ended, and we were only concerned with bringing in the players that made any kind of difference at the last minute. We don't seem to have changed that philosophy, and while Sadler isn't comparable with the Oystons on almost every front (imo), I'm disappointed this behaviour hasn't changed. This is the reason why we never achieve automatic promotion - because other clubs are largely ready and better prepared, and we're still pissing around trying to find some round pegs for round holes after the first half dozen games.

If the ambition is to win promotion, a large chunk of the Yates money will need to be spent (yes I know transfer fees aren't everything, but the fact is we haven't replaced any of the quality we've lost, and that costs money whether it's transfer fees, wages, or both). If we don't spend that money this week, I think it's highly unlikely we'll be anywhere close to troubling the top six.

I wouldn't be getting rid of Critchley, it is still early and I think we'll improve. I just think it's massively disappointing that there was a huge opportunity to finally achieve one of the top two spots, and the signs right now are that we're messing it up again because you really have to be on it from the very first game.
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I agree about manager selection.

We did bring in quite a few players much earlier than Oyston ever did though. Norburn Morgan Pennington Joseph. Even Weir and Oakley-Boothe were well before deadline week. And we didnt start from nothing like the Oystons did every season.

Its not perfect by any means but the main issues have been not realising we are short up front, or out wide, til far too late. Joseph's injury hasnt helped but Critch thought Beesley and CJ could play those positions effectively. We need better. We have better wing backs than CJ and Connolly but Critch doesnt play them in league games. We need another striker or two. We've dropped 9 out of 15 points already. So i agree to an extent but I think you exaggerate a bit on this one.
 
Sadlers a cock he is the only one to blame for where we are and what we are having to suffer, he is not the Messiah. More money than sense springs to mind but I'm not sure that is actually true 🤨
 
hertfordseasider said:
I'm not saying he'll be gone now, I'm talking about before Christmas, unless he becomes more adventurous and we sign 4 players by the end of Friday that is the only way he may turn it round, and the 4 players have to be something better than we have now. My real gripe is with Sadler but there's fuck all going to change there.
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So maybe stop banging your head on the wall and screaming in public. 😉

Develop some decorum. Hold your counsel. Grow up! 😆
 
voyeur said:
I agree about manager selection.

We did bring in quite a few players much earlier than Oyston ever did though. Norburn Morgan Pennington Joseph. Even Weir and Oakley-Boothe were well before deadline week. And we didnt start from nothing like the Oystons did every season.

Its not perfect by any means but the main issues have been not realising we are short up front, or out wide, til far too late. Joseph's injury hasnt helped but Critch thought Beesley and CJ could play those positions effectively. We need better. We have better wing backs than CJ and Connolly but Critch doesnt play them in league games. We need another striker or two. We've dropped 9 out of 15 points already. So i agree to an extent but I think you exaggerate a bit on this one.
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Yes good point about not starting from nothing. We aren't quite as under prepared as we used to be, because one thing SS has done differently is offer 4 year contracts, and it has benefitted us greatly.
I just can't help feeling our business could be done earlier though. It's not always up to us, I know.
We've definitely had some more bad luck with Joseph's injury, I wonder what difference he might've made.
 
bleed_the_freak said:
Chill out peeps! According to Simon's independent review of possible managers, Critchley name repeatedly popped up so he's obviously the right man for the job..

Unless of course Simon was holding the sheep of paper upside down?
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Ha ha…I think if we asked it now it would be a “computer says no” scenario
 
I'm not a big fan of sacking managers but I think most people will agree, had Dobbie taken the reins 2 or 3 weeks earlier we may still be playing championship football! Pulling the tigger too late showed Sadler's vulnerabilities as a football chairman, and reappointing a man who has returned to the ground and continued where he left off simply reinforces it..
 
BFC_53 said:
Didn't he appoint Critchley before those? Could be wrong, I genuinely can't remember. But I do remember him saying he used a company to conduct a search, or something to that effect. So I suppose it could be said he has taken advice, but unfortunately we keep coming back to former managers for some reason.
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And when it's not a former manager it's Mick Mccarthy who was the worst of the lot!
Whoever was the brains behind that decision had no football intelligence whatsoever. A manager who was effectively retired on the back of a 9 game losing run, with a reputation for direct football using squads full of giants, was never going to get the best out of last seasons squad.
I think you are right about Critchley being appointed before the football professionals were which is worrying because maybe Sadler was the brains behind the Mccarthy appointment!!!
 
Bend it like Suddick said:
It was blindingly obvious to anyone with the slightest modicum of football knowledge that Dobbie should have been given the job.

My problem is...If Sadler wasn't the owner (and Ive never thought he was the Messiah), who could be?
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Or..who else would be willing (and stupid enough) to invest £10m in a League 3 club and suffer personal abuse on here every day?
 
John Deary me said:
I don't know what to expect, a drubbing to nil is likely as we can't score against league one defender's.
Personally I'd start full strength, confidence/ character needs building on the pitch and in the stands. Resting players after half a dozen games is a premier league luxury not for a lowly league one club.
Let's just get on with it Critchley and errrrmmm not fink to much !!
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I wasn't far off .
Back at 2 am thanks to the M6 night closure, up for work at 6am and still puzzled to why I bothered. Massive game for all on Saturday, it needs to be a win , it needs to be a turning point or people will start turning on the manager. No excuses about opposition or injuries it's time to roll the sleeves up and do what you get paid for.
 
bleed_the_freak said:
Chill out peeps! According to Simon's independent review of possible managers, Critchley name repeatedly popped up so he's obviously the right man for the job..

Unless of course Simon was holding the sheep of paper upside down?
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Perhaps it might have worked out better if he'd simply given the job to the sheep. At least it would have been content 'on the grass'.
 
We have a poor manager and group of poor players so it’s not difficult to work out why we’re struggling.
We were never going to get a result last night so that alone didn’t bother me what bothered me was we failed to record a single shot on target and our defence looked a shambles.
Defeat against Wigan and the knives will be really out for Critchley and rightly so.
This club is still desperate for a big striker and a big centre back been saying it since the start of the season and here we are 48 hours from the window closing.
Oh and sorry Sadler you are going to have to get the cheque book out as loans/freebies simply don’t work.
 
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1953 said:
Or..who else would be willing (and stupid enough) to invest £10m in a League 3 club and suffer personal abuse on here every day?
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He doesn’t get abuse from myself, but I take your point. Like most , after the Stains I welcomed his involvement, I just don’t think he’s doing a particular good job, investment or not.
 
John Deary me said:
I wasn't far off .
Back at 2 am thanks to the M6 night closure, up for work at 6am and still puzzled to why I bothered. Massive game for all on Saturday, it needs to be a win , it needs to be a turning point or people will start turning on the manager. No excuses about opposition or injuries it's time to roll the sleeves up and do what you get paid for.
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Deary me indeed.

"Back at 2 am thanks to the M6 night closure, up for work at 6am and still puzzled to why I bothered"?

Spot on, after a predictable annihilation.

The more fans still go, the less conceivable Sadler will buy quality players.

Someone ought to form PoolAnonymous, with a 12-step programme to halt the habit.

Amid the management's neglect, the club should provide free therapy for addicts.
 
paulco said:
Deary me indeed.

"Back at 2 am thanks to the M6 night closure, up for work at 6am and still puzzled to why I bothered"?

Spot on, after a predictable annihilation.

The more fans still go, the less conceivable Sadler will buy quality players.

Someone ought to form PoolAnonymous, with a 12-step programme to halt the habit.

Amid the management's neglect, the club should provide free therapy for addicts.
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I love my club , we're off track for sure but times like these pulling together is a must. I don't expect a miracle , just honest hard work and results will come I'm sure.
Yes I'm an addict 🤣
 
Daily Telegraph's assessment -
Blackpool (3-5-2) O’Donnell 5; Pennington 5, Ekpieta 5, Connolly 5; Lyons 5, Virtue 6, Weir 4 (Oakley-Boothe 61, 6), Dougall 5, Thompson 5; Carey 6 (Apter 67), Beesley 4 (Hamilton 67).
 
John Deary me said:
I wasn't far off .
Back at 2 am thanks to the M6 night closure, up for work at 6am and still puzzled to why I bothered. Massive game for all on Saturday, it needs to be a win , it needs to be a turning point or people will start turning on the manager. No excuses about opposition or injuries it's time to roll the sleeves up and do what you get paid for.
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every few miles down to one lane or as you say motorway closure to really finish off the night. I thought i’d got a flyer but got back to car and everyone gone except the one blocking me in! ten minutes later he ambled back….
 
John Deary me said:
I wasn't far off .
Back at 2 am thanks to the M6 night closure, up for work at 6am and still puzzled to why I bothered. Massive game for all on Saturday, it needs to be a win , it needs to be a turning point or people will start turning on the manager. No excuses about opposition or injuries it's time to roll the sleeves up and do what you get paid for.
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If it isn’t blood and thunder it won’t be good enough. Wigan despite all their problems are no mugs.
 
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