We're stuck with him!!!!

20togo said:
you're probably right but we can at least make it uncomfortable for him by letting him know that what we are witnessing is down to him. And that will send a message to Sadler.
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So you're advocating not supporting the team from minute one.

How will that help?
 
Wizaard said:
So you're advocating not supporting the team from minute one.

How will that help?
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Not said that at all but will voicing our disapproval on the msb get the message over? Of course not! Critchley has to be made aware of the fans feelings against the tactics he is using and that performances are way short of what is required.. And where have i said minute one? And let's face it the atmosphere at home has hardly been great for a good while now. I always admire your optimism Wizz but if you are happy with what you are seeing and somehow believe it's all gonna come good this season then you need to wake up from your slumber.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
I think its been proven without a shadow of doubt that Appleton should have got more time, it was a massive knee jerk reaction after an away defeat at Watford, I mean Watford who can beat any team on any given day with the players that they had upfront
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Nah. He should have had less time and then we wouldn’t have slipped so far down the table before the inevitable.
 
tangysider said:
Not sure Rogers played for Apples.
Dobbie got the best out of him.
Appleton has shown his own limitations at Charlton, but Mccarthy only works if every player is over 6 ft and that was a disaster.
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He played for him with considerable success at Lincoln. That's my point. It was bizarre to bring him here and then pot the manager he'd done well with previously and then give him to mad Mick who wasn't entirely sure what to do with him (or Poveda, Fiorini or Bowler for that matter)

Rogers reputation prior to coming to us was based on what he'd done under Appleton
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Nonsense he only just got the players in he wanted

He was badly let down by the owner in the summer transfer window
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Rhodes - top scorer in L1
Dembele - probably the most exciting player in L1
Joseph - supposedly the highest transfer fee in L1
Pennington/Norburn - both reportedly wanted by multiple other clubs.

That sounds like a terrible transfer window.
 
TheLuker said:
Rhodes - top scorer in L1
Dembele - probably the most exciting player in L1
Joseph - supposedly the highest transfer fee in L1
Pennington/Norburn - both reportedly wanted by multiple other clubs.

That sounds like a terrible transfer window.
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Appleton, season before. Dom Thom, Callum Wright and some loans. Topped up by broken bridcutt and Grant Ward (right back)
 
The problem is, if Sadler did sack him, I dread to think who he'd bring in as a replacement as he doesn't seem to know anything about football beyond people who have been at the club previously. His appointments have all been pretty divisive except Critchley first time round, and that was a gamble. I wouldn't be at all confident we'd improve on our current manager - despite the fact that I don't think he's any good! SS's MO of making appointments suggest Paul Ince or Lee Clark could be next...who know's, we might have to go through the lot before we get to anyone new.
 
BFC_53 said:
The problem is, if Sadler did sack him, I dread to think who he'd bring in as a replacement as he doesn't seem to know anything about football beyond people who have been at the club previously. His appointments have all been pretty divisive except Critchley first time round, and that was a gamble. I wouldn't be at all confident we'd improve on our current manager - despite the fact that I don't think he's any good! SS's MO of making appointments suggest Paul Ince or Lee Clark could be next...who know's, we might have to go through the lot before we get to anyone new.
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That is a massive worry. Just because he's a Blackpool supporter and has done good with the club it doesn't make him a great hirer of managers. He is weak at the football side of things, he hasn't even been very successful with his important staff around him. I think if Critchley goes we could well get another boring manager that the supporters will groan like fuck over.
 
hertfordseasider said:
Some really good posts on here and to sum them up, Critchley is a really shit manager, he’s not even a very good coach. We are stuck with him because Sadler won’t get rid and we have an owner who can’t take criticism and because of it is defensive and doesn’t think much of his detractors (I’m talking about the football stuff, not all ther stuff)

If it carries on like this there will be an even bigger rift between owner and supporters, supporters against supporters and supporters against Critchley. If that happens the house of cards comes tumbling down Ian’s we could end up in league 2. That wasn’t what we all expected after judgement day.
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Y'know what, I don't think he is all shit.

My take is this - he's fine with the right group around him. So, when we had Keshi, Madine, Keogh and the like, players with a bit of fire and aggression and anger in them and Bowler in a different way, wild card types who needed a bit of channelling, who probably, needed a yin to their yang so to speak, he was decent. There were players who could think for themselves. I remember I think it was Madine chucking a strop in an interview after a game we'd won because he thought he'd played shit and we'd played shit and got away with it. We also had Calderwood (who looked like he'd nut you as soon as shake your hand) and then McCall (famous for getting pissed and falling off cars) in the back room staff. Grey is fine with other colours around perhaps.

We don't have that colour, fire and aggression in the squad. There's no madness. It's a squad in his image. It's a squad where his calmness isn't what is needed. It's a squad who need a kick up the bum and some self belief and invigoration. They're all so same. You know apart from Dembele, they're all more comfortable just keeping it ticking on, recycling possession, being cogs in the machine so to speak. Rhodes as the old head is super professional. I can't imagine him dishing out a bollocking. He'll just go off to the driving range and hit a few balls.

I don't think Critchley is just 'shit' and that's it. I think he's actually potentially good with the right group of players but I'm really not sure this is the right group of players. It's weird. I HAVE to credit him for a lot in terms of making it work and tactical imagination in his first spell - but equally, there seems to be a bizarre and stubborn desire to prove that he can do it better by not sullying himself with the sort of pragmatic stuff he stooped to last time.

I'm not sure how you scout for that in the window:

'Wanted. Players that are a bit mental to counteract the ridiculously sensible tendancies of the manager - Ideally two footed'
 
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BFC_53 said:
The problem is, if Sadler did sack him, I dread to think who he'd bring in as a replacement as he doesn't seem to know anything about football beyond people who have been at the club previously. His appointments have all been pretty divisive except Critchley first time round, and that was a gamble. I wouldn't be at all confident we'd improve on our current manager - despite the fact that I don't think he's any good! SS's MO of making appointments suggest Paul Ince or Lee Clark could be next...who know's, we might have to go through the lot before we get to anyone new.
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Lump on Gary Megson.
 
td53 said:
Y'know what, I don't think he is all shit.

My take is this - he's fine with the right group around him. So, when we had Keshi, Madine, Keogh and the like, players with a bit of fire and aggression and anger in them and Bowler in a different way, wild card types who needed a bit of channelling, who probably, needed a yin to their yang so to speak, he was decent. There were players who could think for themselves. I remember I think it was Madine chucking a strop in an interview after a game we'd won because he thought he'd played shit and we'd played shit and got away with it. We also had Calderwood (who looked like he'd nut you as soon as shake your hand) and then McCall (famous for getting pissed and falling off cars) in the back room staff. Grey is fine with other colours around perhaps.

We don't have that colour, fire and aggression in the squad. There's no madness. It's a squad in his image. It's a squad where his calmness isn't what is needed. It's a squad who need a kick up the bum and some self belief and invigoration. They're all so same. You know apart from Dembele, they're all more comfortable just keeping it ticking on, recycling possession, being cogs in the machine so to speak. Rhodes as the old head is super professional. I can't imagine him dishing out a bollocking. He'll just go off to the driving range and hit a few balls.

I don't think Critchley is just 'shit' and that's it. I think he's actually potentially good with the right group of players but I'm really not sure this is the right group of players. It's weird. I HAVE to credit him for a lot in terms of making it work and tactical imagination in his first spell - but equally, there seems to be a bizarre and stubborn desire to prove that he can do it better by not sullying himself with the sort of pragmatic stuff he stooped to last time.

I'm not sure how you scout for that in the window:

'Wanted. Players that are a bit mental to counteract the ridiculously sensible tendancies of the manager - Ideally two footed'
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Nah, he's shit! 😂

As for grey, I think we have an owner whose favourite colour is grey and would like to make us play in grey shirts, he seems personality averse, like the players you mentioned, we are totally lacking them in the squad, there is no one the same with the staff, it's a sterile AI environment with a battleship grey mentality. It's dull, dull, dull and with Sadler and Critchley in charge it is never going to be any other colour. The players don't even complain when an opposition defender takes out one of our players and should be sent off or a penalty or both, they just get up and be.... grey! We need some fire and passion, some characters, some motivation, it's like there are little birdies tweeting around the heads of everyone at the club..... and as for the fist pumps!!
 
hertfordseasider said:
Nah, he's shit! 😂

As for grey, I think we have an owner whose favourite colour is grey and would like to make us play in grey shirts, he seems personality averse, like the players you mentioned, we are totally lacking them in the squad, there is no one the same with the staff, it's a sterile AI environment with a battleship grey mentality. It's dull, dull, dull and with Sadler and Critchley in charge it is never going to be any other colour. The players don't even complain when an opposition defender takes out one of our players and should be sent off or a penalty or both, they just get up and be.... grey! We need some fire and passion, some characters, some motivation, it's like there are little birdies tweeting around the heads of everyone at the club..... and as for the fist pumps!!
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I think our players complain too much. They're always waving their arms and whining. In fact, if I was Critchley, I'd take them on one side and say 'if I see one of you slowing your run to complain ever again, I'll sell you to the first bidder, whether it's Northwich Victoria or whoever'
 
BFC_53 said:
The problem is, if Sadler did sack him, I dread to think who he'd bring in as a replacement as he doesn't seem to know anything about football beyond people who have been at the club previously. His appointments have all been pretty divisive except Critchley first time round, and that was a gamble. I wouldn't be at all confident we'd improve on our current manager - despite the fact that I don't think he's any good! SS's MO of making appointments suggest Paul Ince or Lee Clark could be next...who know's, we might have to go through the lot before we get to anyone new.
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Exactly…plus decent managers won’t come cheap…
 
I fail to understand why everyone is blaming Simon for critchleys appointment, I’m sure the board advise him who the best candidates are. Yes he has to make the final decision, but that’s based on the advice of the people he’s put in charge of the club.
 
td53 said:
We also had Calderwood (who looked like he'd nut you as soon as shake your hand) and then McCall (famous for getting pissed and falling off cars) in the back room staff. Grey is fine with other colours around perhaps
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I remember watching that Beckham thing where he was moaning that Queroz as assistant would only ever address the players by their surnames and was divisive yet Ferguson was happy with that. And Ferguson was hardly a shrinking violet.He also had Phelan who was a bit of a firebrand by all accounts. So sometimes two hard men works. Then again he had Kidd for donkeys years and he was a complete opposite of Ferguson and still had success.

I think it’s not necessarily needing contrast but it definitely needs someone who does more than a Phil Neal style “yes boss” to everything. I get the feeling Critchley likes the “yes boss” stuff.
 
Matesrates said:
I fail to understand why everyone is blaming Simon for critchleys appointment, I’m sure the board advise him who the best candidates are. Yes he has to make the final decision, but that’s based on the advice of the people he’s put in charge of the club.
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‘‘Twas the dossier M’Lud”
 
BFC_53 said:
Yep. I've said previously that it's quite amazing how our "exhaustive" searches for managers always result in the best possible candidate being unemployed.
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To me we need a nasty little fcuker like Nathan Jones to push the club on things

Someone who won't take any shit from anyone

I'm sick of us getting yes men all the time its probably why we get such shit refs
 
td53 said:
I agree with the idea that the players are fed up with it. I don't fundamentally mind us having a system. I don't even mind us setting up inverted and playing 3/5 because on occasion it has worked really nicely - what I do mind, is the fact that it's nakedly apparent after 20 minutes of games that it isn't working and we do nothing about it.

All systems have their drawbacks. There isn't a system that guarantees you win every week. What there is, especially at a level like this where generally, you're not dealing with 11 'perfect' players and are working to make the most of what you've got, is a need to adjust. I'm sure the players grasp that too. They look beaten as soon as we go behind as if they know 'they've done a number on us, and he's not going to do anything about it'

Critch 1.0 gave you the impression that, if nothing else, he'd done his homework but I couldn't grasp the following last night:

They had 2 very inexperienced full backs - why not start Dale who is our best winger technically (or at least bring him on with more than 15 mins to go) - when he came on, he showed he had the beating of their young lad as it's likely any half decent experienced player will put pressure on a kid.

Carey is our best ball carrier in midfield. Say what you like about him, but he's good at picking it up and driving. Vale Park is a huge pitch. Why leave him out on the pitch that is best suited to driving runs in the league and why, when you lose Norburn, bring on Virtue instead? Dembele always looks better with Carey as Sonny is mobile and gives/goes and drives and that makes space for Dembele as you have to track him too.

We desperately lack nous. Whether that's on the pitch or off it or both. We desperately need someone to get us together and go, 'it's ok, we've got an hour - CJ, do x, Sonny, push up, Owen, get tight, Jordan, come deep for 5 minutes...' or whatever. To come up with some plans in game that pose fresh challenges to the opposition. It's like we don't read games. We just do the thing we did in the training session and that's it. Add Bolton, Cambridge, Burton and Port Vale together and there's about 30 minutes of football from 360 where we looked vaguely threatening and I'm pretty sure every single sub we've made in those games has been like for like.

Don't get me on the topic of super Bobby Apter...
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great analysis. i am not tactics and formations able work out what we are doing.
 
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