We're stuck with him!!!!

Phil_bfc deux said:
4 year ** contract for this fraud

There is absolutely no way Sadler will sack him and want to pay out on the contract after what happened last season

Bizarre appointment that stunk of a 'better the devil you know approach'

We needed a fresh start not a re hash of what worked before in different times

If he isn't going to be sacked then he needs to be backed in the transfer window

I won't hold my breath as we sleepwalk to mid table mediocrity though

These last two away games have shown Critchley up for what he is
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Wasn’t Appleton on a contract that was similar and he got rid? There will always be strategic break clauses as DSOTL said on another thread 👍🏼
 
Don’t get hung up on the 4 year contract aspect .

The length of his contract is irrelevant and won’t affect decision making when it comes to termination. If he were to be dismissed the club would not have to pay out the rest of his salary as compo .

The 4 year contract protects the club in the event of a poach .

If the club decides break clauses limit the damage .

It’s not a question of the club not being able to afford to get rid etc.
 
AngelBFC said:
Don’t get hung up on the 4 year contract aspect .

The length of his contract is irrelevant and won’t affect decision making when it comes to termination. If he were to be dismissed the club would not have to pay out the rest of his salary as compo .

The 4 year contract protects the club in the event of a poach .

If the club decides break clauses limit the damage .

It’s not a question of the club not being able to afford to get rid etc.
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Will still cost to get rid and also a massive egg on the face moment given most fans didn't want him back
 
Maybe that's his only game with this team when you think back to that team that got promoted with Yates and gaz madine we are alot weaker I reckon
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
The problem we have is how he shoehorns the best 3 players into any system

Rhodes can't play as a lone striker and does his best work when he has a partner and Dembele is wide forward who plays best in a front 3

Then there is big Marv who needs to play in a back 4 given his limitations on the ball

So whilst I like Rhodes, Marv and Dembele i dont understand the thought process

At least if he's gonna stick with this 3142 or 352 or 3412 or whatever it is play players to get the best out of them

Dale on the right if going attacking and CJ on the left

or Thompson on the left and Lyons or Gabriel on the right if going more conservative away from home

Let's have some ** balance in the team and fuck off this inverted nonsense that isn't really inverted as they stay so wide on their weak foot

2 left footers wide yesterday when we had better options and the back 3 wide open to a counter attack

All on Critchley
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Agree with a lot of that but don’t really get the point about Marv needing to play in a back 4 due to his limitations on the ball? Surely a back 5 is better for players with such limitations as it offers more protection?
 
Shiggy said:
Agree with a lot of that but don’t really get the point about Marv needing to play in a back 4 due to his limitations on the ball? Surely a back 5 is better for players with such limitations as it offers more protection?
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I don't think it does and it isn't a back 5 its more of a back 3 and the 3 need to be good on the ball

Watch the back 3 warm up together its all about keeping the ball with the 2 outside ones going wide, its a defined way of playing that Critchley wants and it just doesn't suit Marv

The wing backs warm up with the strikers
 
rememberlesshannon said:
His in game management is pants. At Burton the system wasn't working so he swops Beesley for Joseph, Dale for Lyons and Carey for Norburn.....but same system, it's utter madness
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It always has been - but Mk1 Critch (post Burton away at least) gave you the impression he'd done his homework so the initial set up often seemed to account for the other teams' weaknesses or strengths. Sometimes it was well judged (a masterclass) and sometimes it wasn't (those weirdly conservative set ups ala Preston away) but all managers will get it wrong sometimes. The only reason Pep is a 'genius' is because he has good enough players to get it wrong and still win.

This time round, it's like he's not bothering with that.

On the one hand, I like the idea of 'we'll play our game!!!' but when that game isn't working (which it won't do every week) you've got to be able to try things out and it's so same, same, same, same.

In his defence, it's fair to say he's lost Kuoassi (nearest thing to a plan b) and for whatever reason Dougall (best player this season probably) but we shouldn't fall apart so completely without a Sutton squad player and one of about 35 interchangable midfielders and there's a lot you can do to reshape a side in game that just seems beneath us.

I don't get it. I get starting with a consistent shape and formation. I don't get sticking rigidly to it all the time no matter what.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Do you think he will sack him?

About this time last season and look how that turned out
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Personally I don’t think he will and I don’t think he should .

I think he should bring in an independent experienced older head no 2 til the end of the season . NC needs to be receptive to the advice and ideas .

It worked last time and that’s was missing imo.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
I don't think it does and it isn't a back 5 its more of a back 3 and the 3 need to be good on the ball

Watch the back 3 warm up together its all about keeping the ball with the 2 outside ones going wide, its a defined way of playing that Critchley wants and it just doesn't suit Marv

The wing backs warm up with the strikers
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This is absolutely true - I noticed this at Burton - Brunskill took the back three separately.
 
AngelBFC said:
Personally I don’t think he will and I don’t think he should .

I think he should bring in an independent experienced older head no 2 til the end of the season . NC needs to be receptive to the advice and ideas .

It worked last time and that’s was missing imo.
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I’d say that’s definitely what made a difference last time. Makes you wonder why Critch is manager though when he can’t manage the team himself.

An experienced number 2 should be a very nice to have, not an essential.
 
td53 said:
This is absolutely true - I noticed this at Burton - Brunskill took the back three separately.
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Yep and the other bloke got the wingbacks to ** it into the stand with their weak foot, occasionally the odd ball found a striker or Dembele running in late

Can we just try a right footer on the right and a leftie on the left at the same time, if nothing else it would shut me up?
 
AngelBFC said:
Personally I don’t think he will and I don’t think he should .

I think he should bring in an independent experienced older head no 2 til the end of the season . NC needs to be receptive to the advice and ideas .

It worked last time and that’s was missing imo.
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It's probably the right call, but it does my head in that we're in the same boat again. I personally wanted Appleton to get more time, I was one of very few - I get why people didn't want him, but I didn't think we were actually that far off - but no one on earth said 'why don't we get Appleton an extra coach to help him out...?' - same with Larry and so on and so forth.

My feeling is that Critch benefits from the collegiate approach but given that Calderwood and McCall didn't stick around very long, I'm not sure how much he wants to do it that way... My take when he got the job with Garrity and Brunskill was that he must live and die by that choice. I can only assume he was given a choice within a budget of who would assist him and he chse what he chose.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Yep and the other bloke got the wingbacks to ** it into the stand with their weak foot, occasionally the odd ball found a striker or Dembele running in late

Can we just try a right footer on the right and a leftie on the left at the same time, if nothing else it would shut me up?
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Steve Banks is the best crosser of a ball on our books. Fact.
 
td53 said:
It's probably the right call, but it does my head in that we're in the same boat again. I personally wanted Appleton to get more time, I was one of very few - I get why people didn't want him, but I didn't think we were actually that far off - but no one on earth said 'why don't we get Appleton an extra coach to help him out...?' - same with Larry and so on and so forth.

My feeling is that Critch benefits from the collegiate approach but given that Calderwood and McCall didn't stick around very long, I'm not sure how much he wants to do it that way... My take when he got the job with Garrity and Brunskill was that he must live and die by that choice. I can only assume he was given a choice within a budget of who would assist him and he chse what he chose.
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I think its been proven without a shadow of doubt that Appleton should have got more time, it was a massive knee jerk reaction after an away defeat at Watford, I mean Watford who can beat any team on any given day with the players that they had upfront
 
td53 said:
It's probably the right call, but it does my head in that we're in the same boat again. I personally wanted Appleton to get more time, I was one of very few - I get why people didn't want him, but I didn't think we were actually that far off - but no one on earth said 'why don't we get Appleton an extra coach to help him out...?' - same with Larry and so on and so forth.

My feeling is that Critch benefits from the collegiate approach but given that Calderwood and McCall didn't stick around very long, I'm not sure how much he wants to do it that way... My take when he got the job with Garrity and Brunskill was that he must live and die by that choice. I can only assume he was given a choice within a budget of who would assist him and he chse what he chose.
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Its the best investment SS could make right now (other than securing JR if necessary.)
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
I think its been proven without a shadow of doubt that Appleton should have got more time, it was a massive knee jerk reaction after an away defeat at Watford, I mean Watford who can beat any team on any given day with the players that they had upfront
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Been over this 5000000000 times, but it's an example of the bizarre strategic thinking I allude to above to get in Bowler and Rogers then give them to *checks notes* Mick McCarthy. Is that right?... Mick McCarthy.... Yep, it still says.... Mick McCarthy.

Nope, still makes no sense on any level.

That's what I mean about the weirdness. Spending likely fair sums on Rogers and Bowler who both played really well for Appleton then literally sacking him before he could use them and bringing in a manager who had no intentions of using their strengths.

Eh?
 
td53 said:
Been over this 5000000000 times, but it's an example of the bizarre strategic thinking I allude to above to get in Bowler and Rogers then give them to *checks notes* Mick McCarthy. Is that right?... Mick McCarthy.... Yep, it still says.... Mick McCarthy.

Nope, still makes no sense on any level.

That's what I mean about the weirdness. Spending likely fair sums on Rogers and Bowler who both played really well for Appleton then literally sacking him before he could use them and bringing in a manager who had no intentions of using their strengths.

Eh?
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Yep hence my point on the other thread about a lack of planning and strategy from the top

Could you imagine Bowler and Rogers either side of Yates with Patino and Poveda behind them

We can only dream of such players now

Mick fcuking McCarthy ffs......
 
Sad thing is that if we win on Monday then he will be fist pumping the North stand like nothing is wrong. I honestly don't care if we win on Monday, I'd rather lose and he gets sacked than win and he stays.
 
Lala said:
I’d say that’s definitely what made a difference last time. Makes you wonder why Critch is manager though when he can’t manage the team himself.

An experienced number 2 should be a very nice to have, not an essential.
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Maybe you are right lala but we are where we are .
Critch with an experienced no 2 got us promoted . Critch with a different experienced no2 kept us safely in the championship .
It’s a formula that seems to work for Critch and BFC and success follows .
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
I don't think it does and it isn't a back 5 its more of a back 3 and the 3 need to be good on the ball

Watch the back 3 warm up together its all about keeping the ball with the 2 outside ones going wide, its a defined way of playing that Critchley wants and it just doesn't suit Marv

The wing backs warm up with the strikers
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Fair point that.

I could come back and say that the 3-5-2 offers an extra midfielder in front of him to play to, but tbh the way we’re playing the system it’s usually only Norburn that’s brave enough to receive the ball in our own third.

Lots of people don’t like the system and understandably so but as you’ve said I don’t think it’s the root of our problems. It’s how we’re using it and whether some of the individual players are capable of playing in it.

Ironically I think it’s supposed to help the likes of CJ, Dale, Carey, Ekpiteta etc but sometimes it hinders them completely.
 
Some really good posts on here and to sum them up, Critchley is a really shit manager, he’s not even a very good coach. We are stuck with him because Sadler won’t get rid and we have an owner who can’t take criticism and because of it is defensive and doesn’t think much of his detractors (I’m talking about the football stuff, not all ther stuff)

If it carries on like this there will be an even bigger rift between owner and supporters, supporters against supporters and supporters against Critchley. If that happens the house of cards comes tumbling down Ian’s we could end up in league 2. That wasn’t what we all expected after judgement day.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
I think its been proven without a shadow of doubt that Appleton should have got more time, it was a massive knee jerk reaction after an away defeat at Watford, I mean Watford who can beat any team on any given day with the players that they had upfront
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Personally I think he should have been sacked earlier (following Wigan away before the WC break) and then not replaced with McCarthey. We would have had time to find a suitable replacement. If I remember correctly, Rob Edwards had just been sacked by Watford and was available.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Yep hence my point on the other thread about a lack of planning and strategy from the top

Could you imagine Bowlet and Rogers either side of Yates with Patino and Poveda behind them

We can only dream of such players now

Mick fcuking McCarthy ffs......
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When Dobbie came in and went back more of less to the Appleton blueprint with a few of his own tweaks, we looked instantly 100% more coherent as well.

So this year, we ditch that completely and launch a whole new style, despite having 16 or 17 or the same players.

We just keep starting again, but not starting again if that makes sense.
 
hertfordseasider said:
Some really good posts on here and to sum them up, Critchley is a really shit manager, he’s not even a very good coach. We are stuck with him because Sadler won’t get rid and we have an owner who can’t take criticism and because of it is defensive and doesn’t think much of his detractors (I’m talking about the football stuff, not all ther stuff)

If it carries on like this there will be an even bigger rift between owner and supporters, supporters against supporters and supporters against Critchley. If that happens the house of cards comes tumbling down Ian’s we could end up in league 2. That wasn’t what we all expected after judgement day.
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Good summary that
 
td53 said:
Been over this 5000000000 times, but it's an example of the bizarre strategic thinking I allude to above to get in Bowler and Rogers then give them to *checks notes* Mick McCarthy. Is that right?... Mick McCarthy.... Yep, it still says.... Mick McCarthy.

Nope, still makes no sense on any level.

That's what I mean about the weirdness. Spending likely fair sums on Rogers and Bowler who both played really well for Appleton then literally sacking him before he could use them and bringing in a manager who had no intentions of using their strengths.

Eh?
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Not sure Rogers played for Apples.
Dobbie got the best out of him.
Appleton has shown his own limitations at Charlton, but Mccarthy only works if every player is over 6 ft and that was a disaster.
 
Razzledazzle53 said:
I've no idea but would be shocked if there aren't breaks written into his contract.
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I was about to post this. Sadlers no fool where business is concerned. I can’t believe that he wouldn’t have clauses written in. It’s not as if he needed to give him a four year contract, other clubs were hardly beating a path to his door.
 
Let's have a back 4 of Lyons and Gabriel either side and 2 in the middle but Ekpiteta needs to be one of the centre halfs, we need more pace across the back, only 2 players come out of last night with any credit Dembele and Dale.
 
Jakeyr said:
Let's have a back 4 of Lyons and Gabriel either side and 2 in the middle but Ekpiteta needs to be one of the centre halfs, we need more pace across the back, only 2 players come out of last night with any credit Dembele and Dale.
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That's still two right footed fullbacks
 
Blackpool_Rox said:
Wouldn’t it be interesting to hear at least something from DD.

Since his initial interview the silence from his department has been deafening 🤷‍♂️
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He’s in hiding I imagine. He must have been the one to completely cock up the Dougall negotiating
 
Shiggy said:
Agree with a lot of that but don’t really get the point about Marv needing to play in a back 4 due to his limitations on the ball? Surely a back 5 is better for players with such limitations as it offers more protection?
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In the back five/three or whatever it is, Marv is the one who ends up with the ball at his feet under pressure and no clue what to do with it. He also doesn’t instinctively know where he should be at any given time being pulled all over the place. Marv in a back four knows where he is and works best alongside another player as a pair, not a three. And his skills are last ditch defending in a line, not some mobile passing defender in a three.
 
Three_Piers said:
Personally I think he should have been sacked earlier (following Wigan away before the WC break) and then not replaced with McCarthey. We would have had time to find a suitable replacement. If I remember correctly, Rob Edwards had just been sacked by Watford and was available.
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I was calling for early action before the World Cup. Delaying the inevitable was what really cost us.
 
It’s the same as this board, some of the post topics and especially the posters (except they wax lyrically about everyone being useless from tea lady to grass manicurer) are here to infinity


Off to look at the Sales
 
Shiggy said:
Agree with a lot of that but don’t really get the point about Marv needing to play in a back 4 due to his limitations on the ball? Surely a back 5 is better for players with such limitations as it offers more protection?
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He gets pulled in a 3 and isn't comfortable doing that. If memory serves his s/o's against WA and SU(?) were basically getting caught out by the RB position.
 
Lala said:
What’s the point of him being backed in the transfer window if he still plays players out of position, drops our best players, and plays a system that isn’t working and is turgid to watch ?

Every time I moaned about the stupidity of a 4 year contract I was told there were clauses that would free us. Let’s hope.
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Imagine being saved by a claus at Christmas.
 
If there’s not a clause in his contract he will not sack critch,like an earlier post said.sadler wont pay the four years up,well 42 months now.Probably got one of safest jobs in management.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
The problem we have is how he shoehorns the best 3 players into any system

Rhodes can't play as a lone striker and does his best work when he has a partner and Dembele is wide forward who plays best in a front 3

Then there is big Marv who needs to play in a back 4 given his limitations on the ball

So whilst I like Rhodes, Marv and Dembele i dont understand the thought process

At least if he's gonna stick with this 3142 or 352 or 3412 or whatever it is play players to get the best out of them

Dale on the right if going attacking and CJ on the left

or Thompson on the left and Lyons or Gabriel on the right if going more conservative away from home

Let's have some ** balance in the team and fuck off this inverted nonsense that isn't really inverted as they stay so wide on their weak foot

2 left footers wide yesterday when we had better options and the back 3 wide open to a counter attack

All on Critchley
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I don't buy this Marvin is limited on the ball. Connolly is no Beckenbauer.
 
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