Training ground update

Last docs uploaded in Jan.
To me, looks like an argument over Greenfields and boundary lines between Blackpool and Wyre
 
BISONS said:
Needs to be sorted very quickly….in a matter of days in fact.

If not a new planning application will need putting in. Starting the whole process from scratch again.

what concrete evidence was given?
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None, sure it'll be in the minutes when they decide to release them
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
They should have followed the Poolfoot model
Private when training but otherwise open to be booked and used by the community
It would make a decent ROI
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The clubs training ground should be private full stop.

If there is any ambition to be a Championship club then opening your TG to the public is a none starter.

It’s a non league type set up that does things like that.
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
And why do we not think it’s happening ?
I’d hazard a guess it doesn’t stack up financially
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The financial part is interesting because where exactly is the money coming from to finance both these projects?

I know he has said it would be personally funded. There is no way he can afford to do that so maybe he can’t borrow the sums involved??
 
BISONS said:
The financial part is interesting because where exactly is the money coming from to finance both these projects?

I know he has said it would be personally funded. There is no way he can afford to do that so maybe he can’t borrow the sums involved??
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I, like most of us on here, don't have access to his finances, please share your information with the rest of us!
 
AllTheBoysAreCheerin' said:
I, like most of us on here, don't have access to his finances, please share your information with the rest of us!
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I’ve no idea. But if you think he’s going to personally fund £40m on capital projects then you’re in cloud cuckoo land. There’s no way he can afford to do that.
 
Debt is owed to him so I’d rather he doesn’t add to that amount because the way he’s run the manager go round doesn’t fill me with confidence. The clubs debt to Sadler has risen fast and it’s starting to resemble imho a third division Glazer.
 
BISONS said:
I’ve no idea. But if you think he’s going to personally fund £40m on capital projects then you’re in cloud cuckoo land. There’s no way he can afford to do that.
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He's in the hedge fund business, one of the few businesses that makes money whilst the rest of the world suffers! In his business £40m isn't a big deal. As I say though, we don't know anything about his personal wealth so it's unfair to make assumptions!
 
BillyRonsonNo7 said:
I think you're on the right track BISONS. It's absolute pie in the sky. Oystonesque
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I’d give him the benefit of the doubt but he’s very secretive.
He’s obviously a wealthy man but people thinking he has £40m to spend I think are way off the reality.

Could it be an investment through Segantii Cap?? Who knows!
 
AllTheBoysAreCheerin' said:
He's in the hedge fund business, one of the few businesses that makes money whilst the rest of the world suffers! In his business £40m isn't a big deal. As I say though, we don't know anything about his personal wealth so it's unfair to make assumptions!
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I’d be staggered if his personal wealth is anywhere near £40m so to suggest he’s going to spend that sort of money brings questions.

We are kept fully in the dark so nobody knows a thing about what’s going on.
 
BISONS said:
I’d be staggered if his personal wealth is anywhere near £40m so to suggest he’s going to spend that sort of money brings questions.

We are kept fully in the dark so nobody knows a thing about what’s going on.
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Yet people feel able to make comment on it rather than just question it? Strange, eh?
 
AllTheBoysAreCheerin' said:
I'm no expert in the financial field but who's money is he loaning, assuming it's all loaned, if it's not his?
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If I take my money loan it to the club I own and the investment goes tits up the club can be closed down to repay the debt. Glazers got away with it because football at present is run in a fiscally irresponsible manner but it won’t always be that way.
 
BISONS said:
It’s died a death. Was always a bit pie in the sky.
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Well someone is still paying for the reports carried out in December.
I'm not massively knowledgeable about planning, but as I say, last report uploaded was focused on what appears to be boundary lines and Greenfield sites.

As a quick Google, AFC Bournemouth put in an application back in 2017, approved 2019, and first phase, a pitch and indoor area, started 3 years later.
The actual TG there is underway now. Granted COVID hit, but an idea of how long it's taken to actually get the main buildings started.
 
BISONS said:
It’s just the lack of communication and the total lack of information being given to fans.
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I agree that communication is important, let's hope this new fan engagement nonsence help in that respect. The bottom line though is that we've never really had any communication worth talking about but now that we're awash with online information, be it true or false, we all want more and more!
 
Theoneandonly said:
How do you know he’s a good guy? You don’t. All you can do is match words with actions and follow the money.
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I’d imagine he’s ruthless in business but buying Blackpool FC when he didn’t need to knowing he will lose money isn’t the action of a bad guy.

I might have him totally wrong but his actions to date suggest I’m not far off. He does need to communicate more.
 
Atchetman said:
Maybe Poolfoot will be on the market soon..ready made TG
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That’s my thinking.
POCA = cut-price, ready made TG.
Better than the one we’ve got planned and it brings in cash.
It’s a no-brainer.

SS agreeing to our TG being closed to the public and at the same time flinching at the cost, is just another example of where he’s been badly advised.
 
tangerine_neil said:
That’s my thinking.
POCA = cut-price, ready made TG.
Better than the one we’ve got planned and it brings in cash.
It’s a no-brainer.

SS agreeing to our TG being closed to the public and at the same time flinching at the cost, is just another example of where he’s been badly advised.
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Poolfoot pails in comparison to the training ground plans that we have.

Whether they happen or not.
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
Do they ?
How
TwelveAngryMen said:
Do they ?
How ?
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The scale of the proposals would engulf that little place in Thornton. The facilities far superior.
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You seem quite attached to it Tim for some reason?
TwelveAngryMen said:
The reality is that for ten years for one and seven / eight years for the other both FT and AFC have had facilities that shame us
One day …..
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luckily it’s more about the team then.

The TG plans dwarf Poolfoot in every way. I thought you’d have seen the plans?
 
BISONS said:
You seem quite attached to it Tim for some reason?

luckily it’s more about the team then.

The TG plans dwarf Poolfoot in every way. I thought you’d have seen the plans?
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Not attached other than I can see the huge benefits to a community

Have you ever been to ' the little place in Thornton' and seen how busy it is ?

I am still waiting for you to actually identify why Garstang Road would ' engulf it '
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
Not attached other than I can see the huge benefits to a community

Have you ever been to ' the little place in Thornton' and seen how busy it is ?

I am still waiting for you to actually identify why Garstang Road would ' engulf it '
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The main building alone is 3 times bigger.

More pitches. More facilities

Just on scale alone it’s on a par with some PL training grounds.

It’s tainted so no I’ve no intention of ever going anywhere near it.
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
I’ll look forward to seeing that and working out quite how we plan to develop a TG three times as big and for what purpose
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You seem a bit tetchy? Almost as if you’re a Fleetwood fan!

As I said it’s not difficult to look at the plans and compare. Aside from having better facilities the pitches won’t all be crammed together like in Thornton - it may never happen anyway but the difference is clear - one is a football site for use by anyone willing to pay and then it’s secondary use is for FTFC to train.

Blackpools will be a site dedicated to professional football and academy almost on a campus like footing. Quite literally a different league to anywhere else nearby.
 
The size alone could be a problem: it will cost more for maintenance, basic running costs, with no income coming in from the paying public.

A few other bits don’t feel right, imo:

The pylons - esp. the one overhead the main 1st team pitch.
The design of the building styled to match the brown trees on the perimeter.
The public right of way through the middle of the site.
The main entrance onto Grange Park, not Garstang Rd and the fact they think zero security isn’t an issue.
The small car park.
The large area towards the East side of the site, where floodlights will not be allowed due to residents.
Ponds on site - safety concern.
No canteen or restaurant for the players, just a kitchen.
No consideration to future proof the design.
The lack of any attempt to engage with the local community. I know they will have the one near Bloomfield Rd, but two options are better than one.
 
tangerine_neil said:
The size alone could be a problem: it will cost more for maintenance, basic running costs, with no income coming in from the paying public.

A few other bits don’t feel right, imo:

The pylons - esp. the one overhead the main 1st team pitch.
The design of the building styled to match the brown trees on the perimeter.
The public right of way through the middle of the site.
The main entrance onto Grange Park, not Garstang Rd and the fact they think zero security isn’t an issue.
The small car park.
The large area towards the East side of the site, where floodlights will not be allowed due to residents.
Ponds on site - safety concern.
No canteen or restaurant for the players, just a kitchen.
No consideration to future proof the design.
The lack of any attempt to engage with the local community. I know they will have the one near Bloomfield Rd, but two options are better than one.
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The one at BFC is very small and more for BFCCT I think
 
tangerine_neil said:
The size alone could be a problem: it will cost more for maintenance, basic running costs, with no income coming in from the paying public.

A few other bits don’t feel right, imo:

The pylons - esp. the one overhead the main 1st team pitch.
The design of the building styled to match the brown trees on the perimeter.
The public right of way through the middle of the site.
The main entrance onto Grange Park, not Garstang Rd and the fact they think zero security isn’t an issue.
The small car park.
The large area towards the East side of the site, where floodlights will not be allowed due to residents.
Ponds on site - safety concern.
No canteen or restaurant for the players, just a kitchen.
No consideration to future proof the design.
The lack of any attempt to engage with the local community. I know they will have the one near Bloomfield Rd, but two options are better than one.
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From the plans, show pitch is behind the main building, a good distance away from the pylons. The rest are either to the west or the east of the pylons. Everything under them is landscaping
Building design probably to 'fit in' with the natural surroundings.
Public right of way is rerouted around the site.
Main entrance is a tricky one I guess. You' d maybe have to look at getting turning lane put in place, its a 40 road I think.. turning coaches into the site cause an issue? who knows.
Car park is stated at 105 cars + 4 coaches
East side is largely untouched. Probably to maintain a boundary. Floodlights are on show pitch and another central pitch.
Ponds to cover the + net bio diversity.

I got bored and spent a few days picking over it
 
SMB_BFC said:
From the plans, show pitch is behind the main building, a good distance away from the pylons. The rest are either to the west or the east of the pylons. Everything under them is landscaping
Building design probably to 'fit in' with the natural surroundings.
Public right of way is rerouted around the site.
Main entrance is a tricky one I guess. You' d maybe have to look at getting turning lane put in place, its a 40 road I think.. turning coaches into the site cause an issue? who knows.
Car park is stated at 105 cars + 4 coaches
East side is largely untouched. Probably to maintain a boundary. Floodlights are on show pitch and another central pitch.
Ponds to cover the + net bio diversity.

I got bored and spent a few days picking over it
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You’re right about the show pitch, but that will only be used for special matches, not all the time.
The main 1st team pitch is the one right next to the pylon cables overhead.
The building design is to “fit in” but considering there’s two much larger and taller schools etc nearby and a massive housing estate which have made no effort to “fit in” it’s a bit of a bottle job, and wouldn’t stop it getting passed for planning.
I do applaud the effort to be carbon neutral, but wonder how that will play out in winter with floodlights on and other things running.
The public right of way still runs right through the middle of the site. It’s only slightly rerouted to avoid intersecting one of the training areas groundskeepers hut.
The main entrance, along with the smaller car park were done deliberately to keep the amount of tarmac down.
The east side has been left largely due to concerns from the residents near the school about floodlights and light pollution.
The ponds will be a requirement of Natural England (newts, etc). I’m fine with that, but they should have cameras up or make them more secure, otherwise they could face a public liability issue.
 
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