These people are having us all over!

Malced said:
There’s a fine line to tread on when trying to tax the highest earners and businesses fairly. It’s a global workplace and a global marketplace. The more we tax the highest earners, the less it eventually yields in tax because there’s workers and their businesses go elsewhere.
The top earners pay a high amount of tax proportionately. It’s not as simple as taxing the rich. If only that was the answer. But it isn’t. We need to encourage growth or we go backwards. The ones that bring growth are the investors and the businesses. They won’t invest or expand in a high tax environment. So we are trying to encourage growth via the taxation policies. All this talk about the greedy rich is shortsighted. If you’re gonna live in a country with a modern economy and a capitalist approach, there’s going to be the rich amongst us.
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That all sounds very worthy, but the elephant in your room is the level of inequality in the UK.
According to the OECD we have the most unequal society in Europe apart from Bulgaria, and I guess this mini budget might take us to the bottom of the league.
 
What spooked the markets was the Governments plan to borrow billions of pounds without any covering detail issued on how they are going to recover any of it.
Suicidal policy decision.
What I don't understand is how the Bank Of England seem to have unlimited funds to bail the Government out of the shit it created.
Magic money tree?
 
tommytwojags said:
Without economic growth the massive Budget handouts would have to be repeated every year. That is what cannot be sustained. And growth doesn't mean exploiting the planet as you suggest, but expanding production and encouraging investment, particularly from overseas. Not quite the same in the UK as it is in other countries because we are not a producer of goods but it's a realistic objective and a sound planning policy nevertheless.

The only question for the govt there is why provoke the predictable condemnation for such a relatively small handout?
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George Monbiot does not agree with you.
www.theguardian.com

Environmental destruction is part of Liz Truss’s plan | George Monbiot

The prime minister’s ideology encourages the extraction of as much income as possible from nature, says Guardian columnist George Monbiot
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

As for the reason why... the Tory Party has been seized by RW fanatics who are intent on forcing through their philosophy whatever the cost. As some have said, the Conservative Party has become a doomsday cult.
 
Fargo99 said:
What spooked the markets was the Governments plan to borrow billions of pounds without any covering detail issued on how they are going to recover any of it.
Suicidal policy decision.
What I don't understand is how the Bank Of England seem to have unlimited funds to bail the Government out of the shit it created.
Magic money tree?
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No! It seems they don’t even need to grow it.
 
Archibald Knox said:
And this is part of the ongoing problem... the obsession with ever-increasing growth. Why company profits have to increase year-on-year or their share price falls. Why GDP/GNP or whatever measure has to rise continuously. And all the other economic measures. And as countries like China develop rapidly they consume vastly more resources.

But it isn’t sustainable in the very long term, it’s unbalanced. The consequences for ever-increasing growth is greater population, which needs a more prosperous lifestyle, which needs more industry, to extract more minerals, chop down more of the Amazon, to grow more food for burgers, create more pollution, cause climate change and basically... trash the Planet.

It’s all down to greed, whether on an individual, corporate or national scale.
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Archibald Knox said:
George Monbiot does not agree with you.
www.theguardian.com

Environmental destruction is part of Liz Truss’s plan | George Monbiot

The prime minister’s ideology encourages the extraction of as much income as possible from nature, says Guardian columnist George Monbiot
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

As for the reason why... the Tory Party has been seized by RW fanatics who are intent on forcing through their philosophy whatever the cost. As some have said, the Conservative Party has become a doomsday cult.
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An anti-Brexit, anti-Tory Guardian journalist disagrees with me? Of course he does.

Your final sentence worries me somewhat. Have you considered getting some professional help.
 
Malced said:
‘The markets’ which by the way are comprised of a load of ‘rich’ investors and their representatives, were spooked because of the cost of the measures and the additional borrowing requirement allied with the fact it was a new PM - and because the measures were huge and done outside of a normal budget and didn’t have the same rigour applied by the OBR.

No market representative can deny that a cut to base rate income tax and a lowering of NI, benefits all. The energy price support also benefited all. So it’s completely disingenuous to portray the mini budget as cuts for the rich. That’s a very selective way of looking at it.
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Like graffiti in a tower block, your post is just wrong on so many levels.
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Emojis cut no ice. Formulate an argument and I'll read what you've got to say.
 
Wow quite a few of you suddenly are against growth - perhaps that's because the Tory mini-budget was to boost growth? I think so. I don't recall growth being such a dirty word before. In fact when the economy doesn't grow we usually fall into a recession. If we go into recession its the Government's fault with their crazy ideology and heartless ways. If we grow the economy its that damn Government to blame with their crazy ideology and ruinous ways. Maybe you'll then vote for a Government that promises to freeze us in time; to maintain an incredibly delicate balance of zero growth. Let's not have any more inventions. No more technology. No more medical advancements No more new businesses. Let's stay as we are whilst the rest of the world keeps developing. But then won't we have gone backwards? Won't we get poorer? Well yes, but we will have made a stand against this crazy Government and their stupid desire for growth.
Ok so its growth that has made us the country we are. But why didn't we decide to stay as we were in the 70's or 80's or 90's etc etc. If only. We could already have been a backward failed state. Gosh we've missed a trick there. Yes countries that grow and get richer then improve their way of life and are healthier. But no, let's stick as we are. That's it. No more growth please. Sod future generations. I'm alright Jack, because I've all I need and I don't understand how economies work. As long as my pension or wages or benefits land in my bank at the end of the month until I depart this planet in a decade or two, then I'm happy to support the political party who campaign on a platform of 'No More Growth!!'. Yes I'm sure a straw poll on here would show there's much support amongst AVFTT members. The party would need a name if it wasn't Labour - which it won't be cos Kier has set out his plan for growth in the last few days. How about the Luddite Party?
 
Malced said:
Wow quite a few of you suddenly are against growth - perhaps that's because the Tory mini-budget was to boost growth? I think so. I don't recall growth being such a dirty word before. In fact when the economy doesn't grow we usually fall into a recession. If we go into recession its the Government's fault with their crazy ideology and heartless ways. If we grow the economy its that damn Government to blame with their crazy ideology and ruinous ways. Maybe you'll then vote for a Government that promises to freeze us in time; to maintain an incredibly delicate balance of zero growth. Let's not have any more inventions. No more technology. No more medical advancements No more new businesses. Let's stay as we are whilst the rest of the world keeps developing. But then won't we have gone backwards? Won't we get poorer? Well yes, but we will have made a stand against this crazy Government and their stupid desire for growth.
Ok so its growth that has made us the country we are. But why didn't we decide to stay as we were in the 70's or 80's or 90's etc etc. If only. We could already have been a backward failed state. Gosh we've missed a trick there. Yes countries that grow and get richer then improve their way of life and are healthier. But no, let's stick as we are. That's it. No more growth please. Sod future generations. I'm alright Jack, because I've all I need and I don't understand how economies work. As long as my pension or wages or benefits land in my bank at the end of the month until I depart this planet in a decade or two, then I'm happy to support the political party who campaign on a platform of 'No More Growth!!'. Yes I'm sure a straw poll on here would show there's much support amongst AVFTT members. The party would need a name if it wasn't Labour - which it won't be cos Kier has set out his plan for growth in the last few days. How about the Luddite Party?
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I think quite a few of us realise you can't just say 'we will have growth' and then that just magically works. Nobody is anti-growth. The Labour party aren't running on a platform of economic contraction.
 
Ever since the mini budget, there hasn't been a single coherent argument made to justify any of it, other than some vague hope for growth.

It's a complete leap of faith that those benefitting most will reinvest, just at the point where the cost of borrowing to invest goes through the roof.
 
Malced said:
Wow quite a few of you suddenly are against growth - perhaps that's because the Tory mini-budget was to boost growth? I think so. I don't recall growth being such a dirty word before. In fact when the economy doesn't grow we usually fall into a recession. If we go into recession its the Government's fault with their crazy ideology and heartless ways. If we grow the economy its that damn Government to blame with their crazy ideology and ruinous ways. Maybe you'll then vote for a Government that promises to freeze us in time; to maintain an incredibly delicate balance of zero growth. Let's not have any more inventions. No more technology. No more medical advancements No more new businesses. Let's stay as we are whilst the rest of the world keeps developing. But then won't we have gone backwards? Won't we get poorer? Well yes, but we will have made a stand against this crazy Government and their stupid desire for growth.
Ok so its growth that has made us the country we are. But why didn't we decide to stay as we were in the 70's or 80's or 90's etc etc. If only. We could already have been a backward failed state. Gosh we've missed a trick there. Yes countries that grow and get richer then improve their way of life and are healthier. But no, let's stick as we are. That's it. No more growth please. Sod future generations. I'm alright Jack, because I've all I need and I don't understand how economies work. As long as my pension or wages or benefits land in my bank at the end of the month until I depart this planet in a decade or two, then I'm happy to support the political party who campaign on a platform of 'No More Growth!!'. Yes I'm sure a straw poll on here would show there's much support amongst AVFTT members. The party would need a name if it wasn't Labour - which it won't be cos Kier has set out his plan for growth in the last few days. How about the Luddite Party?
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Stable buildings start with the foundations not the roof, gushing up economics makes sense, trickle down is bullshit concocted to allow the financially advantaged to maintain their position.
 
Wouldn‘t greater tax cuts at the lower end of the scale create comparative national growth, after all it’s the lower end earners that will have to curtail spending thus preventing growth ?

I’m no economist though so happy to be told otherwise if that’s the case.
 
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That's right, low earners spend, high earners horde.
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And although reducing tax on high earners creates a bigger boost to the economy per high earning individual, potentially, there are millions more low earners who would balance that growth out simply by numbers surely ?

But I admit to knowing nothing factually.
 
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Lala said:
And although reducing tax on high earners creates a bigger boost to the economy per high earning individual, potentially, there are millions more low earners who would balance that growth out simply by numbers surely ?

But I admit to knowing nothing factually.
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It's a good question. I'm no economist either.

But firstly when we categorise this mini-budget merely as a give-away for the rich, that ignores the tax cuts that benefit all NI and basic rate taxpayers. As I've said before, those that categorise it that way are being disingenuous.

Secondly, its worth pointing out that 45p tax rate threshold has always been frozen at £150k since introduced in 2010. Due to it being frozen through its existence, the number paying the higher rate rose from 200,000 taxpayers to 600,000. So over time more and more have been taxed this higher rate. £150k back in 2010 had much more value than £150k nowadays, so its clear the tax had become too harsh. That could have been solved by raising the threshold. But we need growth so there was a bold step to remove the 45p rate. The highest rate is now 40p.

The cost of removing the 45p rate is estimated at around £2b whereas cutting income tax by 1p costs £5bn. The Government decided that a combination of both measures, not one or the other, would be useful. Yes more money in lower-earners pockets means more spent in the economy and can help with growth. But we need more than that to drive real sustainable growth.

We need high-tech innovative businesses setting up in the UK and growing their businesses which will lead to higher paid higher-skilled jobs. Businesses will set up where they can attract staff and where corporation tax is not too high.

The higher the income tax rates, the more the employer has to pay to attract and retain staff. When candidates look at job offers they don't just look at the gross figure - what's more important is the take home pay.

If we have an environment of lower tax for highly skilled staff and corporations we will attract the investment and then we'll get the growth. It won't come merely by us minions spending our extra penny in the pound, in my humble opinion.
 
Malced said:
It's a good question. I'm no economist either.

But firstly when we categorise this mini-budget merely as a give-away for the rich, that ignores the tax cuts that benefit all NI and basic rate taxpayers. As I've said before, those that categorise it that way are being disingenuous.

Secondly, its worth pointing out that 45p tax rate threshold has always been frozen at £150k since introduced in 2010. Due to it being frozen through its existence, the number paying the higher rate rose from 200,000 taxpayers to 600,000. So over time more and more have been taxed this higher rate. £150k back in 2010 had much more value than £150k nowadays, so its clear the tax had become too harsh. That could have been solved by raising the threshold. But we need growth so there was a bold step to remove the 45p rate. The highest rate is now 40p.

The cost of removing the 45p rate is estimated at around £2b whereas cutting income tax by 1p costs £5bn. The Government decided that a combination of both measures, not one or the other, would be useful. Yes more money in lower-earners pockets means more spent in the economy and can help with growth. But we need more than that to drive real sustainable growth.

We need high-tech innovative businesses setting up in the UK and growing their businesses which will lead to higher paid higher-skilled jobs. Businesses will set up where they can attract staff and where corporation tax is not too high.

The higher the income tax rates, the more the employer has to pay to attract and retain staff. When candidates look at job offers they don't just look at the gross figure - what's more important is the take home pay.

If we have an environment of lower tax for highly skilled staff and corporations we will attract the investment and then we'll get the growth. It won't come merely by us minions spending our extra penny in the pound, in my humble opinion.
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Yep, I hear you Malced and I get your logic too.

I’m in a state of opinion flux and concern at the mo regarding the economy. If we do pull this off long term I’ll be the first to step up and own my current reticence.
I just don‘t know if we are about to pull off a genius economic move that requires us all to hold our metal, or if we’re doomed, don’t have the expertise to really judge or know.
 
Lala said:
Yep, I hear you Malced and I get your logic too.

I’m in a state of opinion flux and concern at the mo regarding the economy. If we do pull this off long term I’ll be the first to step up and own my current reticence.
I just don‘t know if we are about to pull off a genius economic move that requires us all to hold our metal, or if we’re doomed, don’t have the expertise to really judge or know.
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Same here. Now we’ve gone down that path we need to get some ratification/credibility from the OBR and then the measures will have time to take effect. The lack of market confidence has caused all these economic ripples which are meaning the plan isn’t getting off to a good start.
 
Malced said:
Wow quite a few of you suddenly are against growth - perhaps that's because the Tory mini-budget was to boost growth? I think so. I don't recall growth being such a dirty word before. In fact when the economy doesn't grow we usually fall into a recession. If we go into recession its the Government's fault with their crazy ideology and heartless ways. If we grow the economy its that damn Government to blame with their crazy ideology and ruinous ways. Maybe you'll then vote for a Government that promises to freeze us in time; to maintain an incredibly delicate balance of zero growth. Let's not have any more inventions. No more technology. No more medical advancements No more new businesses. Let's stay as we are whilst the rest of the world keeps developing. But then won't we have gone backwards? Won't we get poorer? Well yes, but we will have made a stand against this crazy Government and their stupid desire for growth.
Ok so its growth that has made us the country we are. But why didn't we decide to stay as we were in the 70's or 80's or 90's etc etc. If only. We could already have been a backward failed state. Gosh we've missed a trick there. Yes countries that grow and get richer then improve their way of life and are healthier. But no, let's stick as we are. That's it. No more growth please. Sod future generations. I'm alright Jack, because I've all I need and I don't understand how economies work. As long as my pension or wages or benefits land in my bank at the end of the month until I depart this planet in a decade or two, then I'm happy to support the political party who campaign on a platform of 'No More Growth!!'. Yes I'm sure a straw poll on here would show there's much support amongst AVFTT members. The party would need a name if it wasn't Labour - which it won't be cos Kier has set out his plan for growth in the last few days. How about the Luddite Party?
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Wow that's a weird post.
 
Malced said:
Same here. Now we’ve gone down that path we need to get some ratification/credibility from the OBR and then the measures will have time to take effect. The lack of market confidence has caused all these economic ripples which are meaning the plan isn’t getting off to a good start.
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I think I agree.

The current turmoil with the markets is a gut reaction, not an economic one based on the long term growth effects.

I remain open minded as always, if we pull it off on time then we know the actual effects.

Much like Brexit, love it or hate it we need patience before we can truly judge.
 
Lala said:
I think I agree.

The current turmoil with the markets is a gut reaction, not an economic one based on the long term growth effects.

I remain open minded as always, if we pull it off on time then we know the actual effects.

Much like Brexit, love it or hate it we need patience before we can truly judge.
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Leaving the unknown longer term impacts of the mini-budget measures, we can probably all agree that the new PM and Chancellor went about things the wrong way. They seemed ad hoc and maverick and that’s not a good look.
 
Malced said:
Leaving the unknown longer term impacts of the mini-budget measures, we can probably all agree that the new PM and Chancellor went about things the wrong way. They seemed ad hoc and maverick and that’s not a good look.
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Absolutely, which is why I’m concerned and untrusting at present 👍
 
Lala said:
Yep, I hear you Malced and I get your logic too.

I’m in a state of opinion flux and concern at the mo regarding the economy. If we do pull this off long term I’ll be the first to step up and own my current reticence.
I just don‘t know if we are about to pull off a genius economic move that requires us all to hold our metal, or if we’re doomed, don’t have the expertise to really judge or know.
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On a very basic level Liz Truss doesn't look or sound like my idea of an economic genius!
 
Lala said:
And although reducing tax on high earners creates a bigger boost to the economy per high earning individual, potentially, there are millions more low earners who would balance that growth out simply by numbers surely ?

But I admit to knowing nothing factually.
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Scrapping the 45% band costs us £2.5 billion pa given to the wealthy. Not uprating Universal Credit saves us £2.4 billion pa by not giving money to the poor.

That will be the next call to start balancing the books.
 
gjr69 said:
On a very basic level Liz Truss doesn't look or sound like my idea of an economic genius!
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And again I probably concur.

But I don‘t actually know.

Maybe it’s like looking at a Yorkshire pudding before you’ve put it in the oven, yet still expecting it to look like a served yorkshire pudding. Maybe it will remain flat, or maybe it will rise to perfection. With time.
I’m no chef and I’m no economist. The proof will be in the pudding quite literally, at the end of it‘s natural baking time.
 
Lala said:
And again I probably concur.

But I don‘t actually know.

Maybe it’s like looking at a Yorkshire pudding before you’ve put it in the oven, yet still expecting it to look like a served yorkshire pudding. Maybe it will remain flat, or maybe it will rise to perfection. With time.
I’m no chef and I’m no economist. The proof will be in the pudding quite literally, at the end of it‘s natural baking time.
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I did train as a chef many years ago, I doubt Truss could run a good kitchen and I am sure she can't run a G7 nation based on right wing economic ideology, but just like the Yorkshire pudding time will tell. But it currently looks like the oven is set too hot and she hasn't put enough flour in the mix!!
 
gjr69 said:
I did train as a chef many years ago, I doubt Truss could run a good kitchen and I am sure she can't run a G7 nation based on right wing economic ideology, but just like the Yorkshire pudding time will tell. But it currently looks like the oven is set too hot and she hasn't put enough flour in the mix!!
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I’m not sayings she hasn’t made a disastrous economic move. I’m saying I’ll give it some time. And I only say that because I’ m no economic expert.
When was the last time we had an economic genius at the helm?

It seems like an eternity since we had a leader we all thought had all the answers before getting found short.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
Any benefits that the budget conveyed to ordinary people has been wiped out by the contribution to inflation and the corresponding rises in interest rates on mortgages. Not having a properly costed budget with OBR approval and reporting was a stupid, reckless and fundamentally naïve thing to do. As is stoking the economy at the same time that the BoE is trying to curtail inflation, government and the BoE are effectively working against each other. And it is too late now, much of the damage has already been done.
People who are buying homes will really feel this. Mortgages of £750 pcm reportedly rising to £1500 pcm on re-mortgage, interest rate offers changing from 4.5% to 10.5% overnight because of government arrogance and incompetence. 40% of all mortgage products pulled from the market overnight. It completely negates the package designed to help with energy bills. Rank stupidity from people who are driven by a dogma that has never ever worked. Just because something is written in a book somewhere doesn't mean that it is true.
Blaming Putin or world conditions, pointing to Germanys 11% inflation rate, blaming the prospect of a Labour government or people who want the country to fail is an insult to the intelligence of all of us. This crisis was caused directly by the actions of an incompetent government. They need to own it and change tack before they do even more damage or better still let us, the electorate, have a say. None of us voted for this, Conservative voters at the last election voted for something completely different.
The word chaos doesn't even begin to describe it.
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You tell ‘em ESN.
Fancy coming home and standing for Chancellor of the Excheque?
 
Wizaard said:
Scrapping the 45% band costs us £2.5 billion pa given to the wealthy. Not uprating Universal Credit saves us £2.4 billion pa by not giving money to the poor.

That will be the next call to start balancing the books.
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Scrapping the 45% costs us £2.5 billion.

Plus the £65 billion pledged on Wednesday.
 
tommytwojags said:
Apologies Archie but describing the governing political party of the UK as a 'doomsday cult' is a little excessive don't you think?
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It wasn’t me who coined that phrase. I was simply repeating what was reported in all the newspapers...

“Investors seem inclined to regard the UK Conservative Party as a doomsday cult.”
So said Paul Donovan, the chief economist at UBS Wealth Management.

www.independent.co.uk

The City has spoken on the Tory Party – and it isn’t pretty | James Moore

The pound’s fall has eclipsed almost all of its rivals. There is now serious talk of it reaching parity with the greenback. That will have consequences
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Not an unimportant player in the game then.
 
Malced said:
Wow quite a few of you suddenly are against growth - perhaps that's because the Tory mini-budget was to boost growth? I think so. I don't recall growth being such a dirty word before. In fact when the economy doesn't grow we usually fall into a recession.
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It needs to be sustainable growth. Quality not quantity.
 
Archibald Knox said:
It wasn’t me who coined that phrase. I was simply repeating what was reported in all the newspapers...

“Investors seem inclined to regard the UK Conservative Party as a doomsday cult.”
So said Paul Donovan, the chief economist at UBS Wealth Management.

www.independent.co.uk

The City has spoken on the Tory Party – and it isn’t pretty | James Moore

The pound’s fall has eclipsed almost all of its rivals. There is now serious talk of it reaching parity with the greenback. That will have consequences
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
Not an unimportant player in the game then.
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I’m beginning to suspect tommytwo is a Tory party member who voted for Truss and is suffering from buyer’s remorse.
 
Bennys_was_a_mob said:
All politicians (no matter what front) all bankers, all authorities, all large employers, all having us over on every front - we are being had over in every which way you could think of.

Savers, investors - fucked over, pensioners, pensions savers - fucked over, energy suppliers ** us over food suppliers etc etc.

When does it end and how does it end? If it ever does?

59 years old and absolutely totally fucked off with all the shite we are being fed at the moment. Working since 16 yearof age over 42 years in full employment, never unemployed and expecting (hoping for) a decent few years enjoying life but all these fuckers seem to be determined to steal this from me. FUCK THEM ALL 🤬🤬🤬🤬
What is the answer 🥺🤬
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What is the question?
 
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I’m beginning to suspect tommytwo is a Tory party member who voted for Truss and is suffering from buyer’s remorse.
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HaHa, just a normal businessman who is somewhat astounded by the hysteria surrounding the government's intervention to assist individuals and businesses get through the winter fuel price rises, return of covid, possible nuclear war. These are just elected politicians doing their best to help people. They are not the children of Satan.
 
Anybody who thinks truss and kwarteng have made a bit of an error, maybe an honest mistake needs to read the book they have already written,
Full of exactly the philosophy they have enacted in the last week, throwing normal people into a wood chipper because they are too lazy to manage a hedge fund. It's clear the horrendous outcomes their policies will have for us are entirely deliberate.

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Foolweary said:
Anybody who thinks truss and kwarteng have made a bit of an error, maybe an honest mistake needs to read the book they have already written,
Full of exactly the philosophy they have enacted in the last week, throwing normal people into a wood chipper because they are too lazy to manage a hedge fund. It's clear the horrendous outcomes their policies will have for us are entirely deliberate.

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Yes. That’s the book where they said we were all malingerers and work shy.

That’s ALL of us. Including the ones who think that only applies to other people.
 
poolseasider said:
Do you boring fuckers ever give up match day, Saturday night,day off tomorrow and still posting about politics what a joy you must be to be with not.
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Yeah we played well but lost. The usual “Board Out! Appleton Out” hysteria from the usual suspects on the other side. Totally predictable.

But in short - the midfield seems to be sorted so we should avoid relegation. Which was the plan all along. So that’s good.

As for Saturday night I’d recommend “Industry” on iplayer. Attractive young people drinking to excess, snorting class A drugs whilst shagging like stoats. And making loads of money.

It’s class and what the BBC does best. Well worth the licence fee on its own 👍
 
Bennys_was_a_mob said:
All politicians (no matter what front) all bankers, all authorities, all large employers, all having us over on every front - we are being had over in every which way you could think of.

Savers, investors - fucked over, pensioners, pensions savers - fucked over, energy suppliers ** us over food suppliers etc etc.

When does it end and how does it end? If it ever does?

59 years old and absolutely totally fucked off with all the shite we are being fed at the moment. Working since 16 yearof age over 42 years in full employment, never unemployed and expecting (hoping for) a decent few years enjoying life but all these fuckers seem to be determined to steal this from me. FUCK THEM ALL 🤬🤬🤬🤬
What is the answer 🥺🤬
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Politicians are. But so are Royal Mail & northern rail train drivers.. they’re on strike over next few days demanding a wage raise due to the cost of living.

How’s about, a lot of people aren’t in the position to be able to go on strike, therefore will have to settle for their below average wages?

Royal Mail & Northern Rail/other Railway Conductors should think themselves lucky that they’re in a position to strike. A lot of others aren’t.

Everyone is in the same situation.

I’ve lost a lot of respect for Royal Mail workers and train conductors/drivers after tonight.
 
Bloodtangerine said:
What is the question?
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ItsGrimUpNorth said:
Politicians are. But so are Royal Mail & northern rail train drivers.. they’re on strike over next few days demanding a wage raise due to the cost of living.

How’s about, a lot of people aren’t in the position to be able to go on strike, therefore will have to settle for their below average wages?

Royal Mail & Northern Rail/other Railway Conductors should think themselves lucky that they’re in a position to strike. A lot of others aren’t.

Everyone is in the same situation.

I’ve lost a lot of respect for Royal Mail workers and train conductors/drivers after tonight.
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Because they've got a set of balls and in a union. With your attitude the working class would still be eating crumbs spilled from a table. The tories love folk like you who turn their wrath on their own, they are trying to better themselves
why not try it yourself rather than accept you're a pathetic wretch having a shit life.
 
Shandypants said:
Because they've got a set of balls and in a union. With your attitude the working class would still be eating crumbs spilled from a table. The tories love folk like you who turn their wrath on their own, they are trying to better themselves
why not try it yourself rather than accept you're a pathetic wretch having a shit life.
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Just for clarity before I respond….are you talking to me??
 
tommytwojags said:
HaHa, just a normal businessman who is somewhat astounded by the hysteria surrounding the government's intervention to assist individuals and businesses get through the winter fuel price rises, return of covid, possible nuclear war. These are just elected politicians doing their best to help people. They are not the children of Satan.
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They are in it for themselves and their mates and will undoubtedly have benefitted from the recent turmoil.

Flagrant insider training.
 
Malced said:
Putin invaded Ukraine. That caused the energy instability which has led to huge energy price increases across the world.
The PM has just announced an incredibly expensive package of measures to keep our bills down over the winter. I’m not sure how that’s screwing us over. But some weirdly see that as the establishment not giving a damn.
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Who do you think is going to pay back the incredibly expensive package?
 
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