The King Diagnosed with Cancer.

Bloodtangerine said:
So the Labour Party can just trot that line out for 5 years?……is that how it works?
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Don’t be such a blunt tool, man. Immediate action by Labour after their 1997 GE victory took down waiting lists by 20% within two years. Instead of continuing to rise as they would have done under the Cons.

Clearly, those were the easier hits, with straightforward ops/procedures that just needed more beds, more nurses etc. That the waiting list continued to decline for the next 10 years is a testament to continued investment and training of more specialists.

If you look carefully, the waiting lists stabilised from 2008-2010, no doubt due to restricted resources following the global financial crisis, when we gave all the Govt’s money to the Banks instead of public services. Over £200 billion of it.

As soon as the Cons got back in, waiting lists began to rise inexorably from 2010, due to Osborne’s austerity and cuts. It’s all above in black and white, or rather, red and blue.

But things just ain’t the same now as in 1997. Labour have only been allowed over the past few months to start transition talks with civil servants to understand the state of the economy. From what details they have already discovered, Labour says they can’t commit to saying how long it will take to fix things; it’s got that bad economically and there is much more calamity to be uncovered. The Cons have screwed the country for the benefit of their rich mates.

And now we have Truss, Rees-Mogg, Anderson and their crazy mates starting up another hard-right, intolerant faction within the Cons party to try and capture the Con members’ leadership votes to replace Sunak. I hope they succeed actually, as most of the public has clocked their number alright.
 
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Bloodtangerine said:
Labour will sort it out then by your rationale so you won’t have anything to worry about soon
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They have 14 years disastrous ruin to sort, but they'll make it better over time. That's what happens. The trouble will be the right wing media will be saying its not better after a week. You know it as much as I do.
 
A Labour Govt will improve the lot of the public from the off, focusing on the poorer half of the country. That will be apparent to all, and they will get at least two terms of government.

I expect the first term to be those easy hits again. In the second term I hope they will start on the basis of societal inequalities:
  • Offshore funds and trusts avoiding tax (like Michelle Mone and her dodgy activities),
  • Tax-free charitable status for public schools (for every £1 they get in fees, the govt gives them another 40p to subsidise the richest)
  • Tax breaks for the wealthy on such as pensions,
  • Low tax breaks on dividends,
  • The House of Lords,
  • Reform council tax etc.
  • Really address the North-South divide, instead of just pontificating dishonestly.
There’s a whole slew of unfair systems whereby the rich can afford to pay people to arrange tax avoidance. No doubt, I will be caught up in it and have to pay more, because I don’t use such schemes, so be it.

But we can expect the likes of these anonymous people behind media outlets like GB News, the RW press, Foreign donors to RW political parties etc, to be as disruptive as possible. Politics will get a lot more dirty than Ed Milliband’s bacon sarnie.

The North-South divide will be the key to Labour success, in turning around those red wall seats and hopefully seeing off the SNP in Scotland.

They can leave SW England for the Lib-Dems. In fact, I’d like to see a partial understanding on that. If the Cons/Farage/Reform parties can mutually assist then so should the anti-RW parties. ABTT.

But most of all, I hope Labour force through proportional representation so we never again have our country captured by such a cabal of uncaring and incompetent hard-right crackpots as we have had for the past 14 years. I fear they will not, though.
 
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I am really looking forward to a Govt that will truly address those horrific scandals with sanctions and prosecutions…
  • The Post Office/Fujitsu Horizon scam.
  • Grenfell disaster /Kensington council.
  • Windrush illegal persecutions/ aka the Home Office Hostile Environment policy.
 
Archibald Knox said:
Don’t be such a blunt tool, man. Immediate action by Labour after their 1997 GE victory took down waiting lists by 20% within two years. Instead of continuing to rise as they would have done under the Cons.

Clearly, those were the easier hits, with straightforward ops/procedures that just needed more beds, more nurses etc. That the waiting list continued to decline for the next 10 years is a testament to continued investment and training of more specialists.

If you look carefully, the waiting lists stabilised from 2008-2010, no doubt due to restricted resources following the global financial crisis, when we gave all the Govt’s money to the Banks instead of public services. Over £200 billion of it.

As soon as the Cons got back in, waiting lists began to rise inexorably from 2010, due to Osborne’s austerity and cuts. It’s all above in black and white, or rather, red and blue.

But things just ain’t the same now as in 1997. Labour have only been allowed over the past few months to start transition talks with civil servants to understand the state of the economy. From what details they have already discovered, Labour says they can’t commit to saying how long it will take to fix things; it’s got that bad economically and there is much more calamity to be uncovered. The Cons have screwed the country for the benefit of their rich mates.

And now we have Truss, Rees-Mogg, Anderson and their crazy mates starting up another hard-right, intolerant faction within the Cons party to try and capture the Con members’ leadership votes to replace Sunak. I hope they succeed actually, as most of the public has clocked their number alright.
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So how long do Labour get to use this “reason”? How long will it take them to make tangible improvements Man?
 
Wizaard said:
They have 14 years disastrous ruin to sort, but they'll make it better over time. That's what happens. The trouble will be the right wing media will be saying its not better after a week. You know it as much as I do.
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If they make it better over time they will be able to tangibly demonstrate that…..a 5 year term I surely enough to show tangible improvements?

If you think just throwing money in will do that you are very wrong, very, very wrong
 
Bloodtangerine said:
If they make it better over time they will be able to tangibly demonstrate that…..a 5 year term I surely enough to show tangible improvements?

If you think just throwing money in will do that you are very wrong, very, very wrong
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That's not what I've said at any point. However, removing money year on year will damage the NHS.

Look at dentistry, where it simply doesn't pay dentists to stay with the NHS, meaning the poor get no dental care. Longer term, that does more harm to health in other areas.
 
Archibald Knox said:
A Labour Govt will improve the lot of the public from the off, focusing on the poorer half of the country. That will be apparent to all, and they will get at least two terms of government.

I expect the first term to be those easy hits again. In the second term I hope they will start on the basis of societal inequalities:
  • Offshore funds and trusts avoiding tax (like Michelle Mone and her dodgy activities),
  • Tax-free charitable status for public schools (for every £1 they get in fees, the govt gives the another 40p to subsidise the richest)
  • Tax breaks for the wealthy on such as pensions,
  • Low tax breaks on dividends,
  • The House of Lords,
  • Reform council tax etc.
  • Really address the North-South divide, instead of just pontificating dishonestly.
There’s a whole slew of unfair systems whereby the rich can afford to pay people to arrange tax avoidance. No doubt, I will be caught up in it have to pay more, because I don’t use such schemes, so be it.

But we can expect the likes of these anonymous people behind media outlets like GB News, the RW press, Foreign donors to RW political parties etc, to be as disruptive as possible. Politics will get a lot more dirty than Ed Milliband’s bacon sarnie.

The North-South divide will be the key to Labour success, in turning around those red wall seats and hopefully seeing off the SNP in Scotland. They can leave the SW for the Lib-Dems.

But most of all, I hope Labour force through proportional representation so we never again have our country captured by such a cabal of uncaring and incompetent hard-right nutcases as we have had for the past 14 years. I fear they will not, though.
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Apparently they are not hard right, but leftie Metropolitan elite.
 
Anyway, typical that a post about the King of England has all the hard done by lefties out in force frothing at the mouth and trying to turn it into a political debate.

I wish HRH all the best and if it makes people more aware of having checks and getting diagnosed early then the sad news he is ill with this terrible disease may have some benefits to the general public. To politicise it is poorly judged and a bit wank in my opinion.
 
Archibald Knox said:
Read the graph properly, man. It took Labour 12 years to get NHS waiting lists down to under half that they inherited from the Major Conservative govt in 1997.

That's not going to happen within a few months. We are a much poorer country than we were then, due to the last 14 years of planned austerity with cuts to all public services and the economic downturn.
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Welsh labour have manged to get achieve even longer waiting times in Wales under the Welsh Labour ran NHS than the rest of the UK

Some level of incompetence that from Welsh Labour
 
hertfordseasider said:
Anyway, typical that a post about the King of England has all the hard done by lefties out in force frothing at the mouth and trying to turn it into a political debate.

I wish HRH all the best and if it makes people more aware of having checks and getting diagnosed early then the sad news he is ill with this terrible disease may have some benefits to the general public. To politicise it is poorly judged and a bit wank in my opinion.
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Everything in life is politics, and I do mean everything.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Welsh labour have manged to get achieve even longer waiting times in Wales under the Welsh Labour ran NHS than the rest of the UK

Some level of incompetence that from Welsh Labour
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Because they are a Labour administration they have been carved out for even deeper cuts in central Govt grants.

Just as Rishi Sunak was caught by video boasting to Tunbridge Wells residents that he diverted public funds from deprived urban areas to help those such as the affluent Kent borough.

To quote some random Welshmen …
“If You Tolerate This Your Children Will Be Next”.
 
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hertfordseasider said:
Anyway, typical that a post about the King of England has all the hard done by lefties out in force frothing at the mouth and trying to turn it into a political debate.

I wish HRH all the best and if it makes people more aware of having checks and getting diagnosed early then the sad news he is ill with this terrible disease may have some benefits to the general public. To politicise it is poorly judged and a bit wank in my opinion.
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Have you noticed that your post was immediately followed by a frothing “hard done rightie”?

Apart from that I agree with most of what you say.
 
hertfordseasider said:
Anyway, typical that a post about the King of England has all the hard done by lefties out in force frothing at the mouth and trying to turn it into a political debate.

I wish HRH all the best and if it makes people more aware of having checks and getting diagnosed early then the sad news he is ill with this terrible disease may have some benefits to the general public. To politicise it is poorly judged and a bit wank in my opinion.
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Not one person has had a pop at the King. I hope he makes a rapid recovery.

However, he isn't going via the NHS, so his standard of care will be different to that faced by the vast majority.

I don't think there's anything wrong in saying that.
 
Bloodtangerine said:
So how long do Labour get to use this “reason”? How long will it take them to make tangible improvements Man?
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They'll be blaming the last Tory government in 5 years time Blood. Just like theTorys blamed the last Labour government for years.
What they can't see is it will make very little difference what government is in power. Starmer isn't going to make everything ok
The country is screwed, in fact pretty much the whole world is screwed. Even though I think a change is overdue due to the current government's ineptitude, unfortunately I fear that change won't solve anything.
 
RUSTY_2_STANDS said:
They'll be blaming the last Tory government in 5 years time Blood. Just like theTorys blamed the last Labour government for years.
What they can't see is it will make very little difference what government is in power. Starmer isn't going to make everything ok
The country is screwed, in fact pretty much the whole world is screwed. Even though I think a change is overdue due to the current government's ineptitude, unfortunately I fear that change won't solve anything.
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The country is screwed, possibly irreparably, after the last 14 years. Its a lot worse now than its ever been.
 
RUSTY_2_STANDS said:
They'll be blaming the last Tory government in 5 years time Blood. Just like theTorys blamed the last Labour government for years.
What they can't see is it will make very little difference what government is in power. Starmer isn't going to make everything ok
The country is screwed, in fact pretty much the whole world is screwed. Even though I think a change is overdue due to the current government's ineptitude, unfortunately I fear that change won't solve anything.
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The Tories are still blaming Labour for the 2008 Banking crisis.
 
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