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She had great powers of concentration, but not so great powers of recall.
Tosser.Sorry, I find your Tory love in semi amusing.
Career at stake over £600,000 costs.
Track and trace £37 billion but look over here, shiny shiny
The more evidence that is released the more his version has legs.Fair point. I found her more believable than him though. What he claims is pretty fantastic isn't it?
I don't know.Fair point. I found her more believable than him though. What he claims is pretty fantastic isn't it?
But so many of the people demanding Nicola Sturgeon's head over this turn a blind eye when it's Boris Johnson, Michael Gove being caught telling lies, Priti Patel bullying her civil servants or Robert Jenrick and Matt Hancock breaking the law. If those people actually acted on the ministerial code of conduct we'd be looking for half the government to be replaced on Monday.I don't know.
NS, created a policy to include ex-First Ministers, without scrutiny.
She held meetings about AS, which aren't minuted, which she forgot about, she can't recall them very well.
The Scottish government had an illegal and inherently unfair and unjust investigation into AS.
They carried on regardless despite being told that wouldn't win and have embarrassed legal defence as their chosen representative to have an independent enquiry into AS had already met the complainants before being asked to do the investigation.
One of only 23 people leaked the story to the Press and the SNP didn't investigate where it could have come from.
The Crown office, have put a ban on the sharing of evidence likely to support AS.
The Scottish Government refuse to release everything they've got to the Scottish Parliament.
And that's without including the different roles of NS and her husband.
It's more complex than that, but that's all I recall.
If I was him, I'd feel like I was the victim of a stitch up too.
I think what it does demonstrate that there is no place for virtue signalling in politics. NS had her eyes fixed on a #MeToo scalp and in pursuit of that completely failed in due process.
So the women who complained have been let down and the right to a fair trail has too.
That's no place for whatabout The UK Government on this thread, we have enough on them as is it.
All politically motivated posters (including you) ‘cock a deaf one’, when it comes to the crimes of their own political party of choice.But so many of the people demanding Nicola Sturgeon's head over this turn a blind eye when it's Boris Johnson, Michael Gove being caught telling lies, Priti Patel bullying her civil servants or Robert Jenrick and Matt Hancock breaking the law. If those people actually acted on the ministerial code of conduct we'd be looking for half the government to be replaced on Monday.
That's why so many Scots want independence. And why so many of those want proper scrutiny of ScotGov on this matter. It's a defining moment in Scotland's future imo.But so many of the people demanding Nicola Sturgeon's head over this turn a blind eye when it's Boris Johnson, Michael Gove being caught telling lies, Priti Patel bullying her civil servants or Robert Jenrick and Matt Hancock breaking the law. If those people actually acted on the ministerial code of conduct we'd be looking for half the government to be replaced on Monday.
But so many of the people demanding Nicola Sturgeon's head over this turn a blind eye when it's Boris Johnson, Michael Gove being caught telling lies, Priti Patel bullying her civil servants or Robert Jenrick and Matt Hancock breaking the law. If those people actually acted on the ministerial code of conduct we'd be looking for half the government to be replaced on Monday.
I don't know.
NS, created a policy to include ex-First Ministers, without scrutiny.
She held meetings about AS, which aren't minuted, which she forgot about, she can't recall them very well.
The Scottish government had an illegal and inherently unfair and unjust investigation into AS.
They carried on regardless despite being told that wouldn't win and have embarrassed legal defence as their chosen representative to have an independent enquiry into AS had already met the complainants before being asked to do the investigation.
One of only 23 people leaked the story to the Press and the SNP didn't investigate where it could have come from.
The Crown office, have put a ban on the sharing of evidence likely to support AS.
The Scottish Government refuse to release everything they've got to the Scottish Parliament.
And that's without including the different roles of NS and her husband.
It's more complex than that, but that's all I recall.
If I was him, I'd feel like I was the victim of a stitch up too.
I think what it does demonstrate that there is no place for virtue signalling in politics. NS had her eyes fixed on a #MeToo scalp and in pursuit of that completely failed in due process.
So the women who complained have been let down and the right to a fair trail has too.
That's no place for whatabout The UK Government on this thread, we have enough on them as is it.
I think TS has given a pretty good summary of the facts as they stand at present. Which of those do you believe are opinions?I'm not sure where you get all of your facts from, but some of them look like opinions.
I think that it is equally plausible to argue that AS is generating a lot of heat and light in order to help his relevance, downplay his dubious conduct and thus resurrect what is left of his career. I suspect that only a very few people know the truth, which is why I find the idea of some large and elaborate conspiracy pretty fanciful.
I think it is distinctly odd that AS should try to undermine the very institutions that the SNP would need to make independence work. It seems counter-intuitive - unless the principal motive behind his actions is to settle scores.
Good viewing though.
Up until recently, there has been very little to counter the SNP narrative relating to Scottish Independence and with so much focus, Brexit etc.. on that single issue, it’s hardly surprising that the polls might have shown the public were in favour.I see after 22 successive polls in Scotland had a majority for independance two have come out this weekend with a small majority to remain in the Union but that`s just a knee jerk responce to the current NS v AS battle .One wonders if that will last much beyond the current negative publicity,
Up until recently, there has been very little to counter the SNP narrative relating to Scottish Independence and with so much focus, Brexit etc.. on that single issue, it’s hardly surprising that the polls might have shown the public were in favour.
I’m not sure how credible this latest poll is, but it was always going to be the case that a small amount of pushback would see the pro- independence lead crash down.
I seriously doubt that the end result of a referendum would be much different than it was the last time around.
That's a fair comment. Double standards.But so many of the people demanding Nicola Sturgeon's head over this turn a blind eye when it's Boris Johnson, Michael Gove being caught telling lies, Priti Patel bullying her civil servants or Robert Jenrick and Matt Hancock breaking the law. If those people actually acted on the ministerial code of conduct we'd be looking for half the government to be replaced on Monday.
2 recent polls out this weekend have gone that way after 22 the other way as I mentioned above.I see the recent poll on independence hasn’t gone her way either, it all seems to be falling apart doesn’t it.
IThat's a fair comment. Double standards.
It doesn't have an SNP majority.If it comes to a motion of confidence she will win it because the Scottish Greens will vote with her as they also want independence,
And the enquiry committee looking at the case has an SNP majority.
Greens need to think hard about that one, with an election coming.If it comes to a motion of confidence she will win it because the Scottish Greens will vote with her as they also want independence,
And the enquiry committee looking at the case has an SNP majority.
Telling lies to parliament is not a mere shortcoming. Breaking the law is not insignificant.There is so much more scrutiny of politicians through all forms of media these days and I think much more cynicism in people`s estimation of politicians generally as a result, which tends to lower our impressions of all politicians.They may not be the greatest generation of politicians but close scrutiny and negativity tend to go hand in hand especially from those who vote for another party who now have greater opportunities to highlight any much sought after shortcomings(Cat being a perfect and obsessive example. )
As for Sturgeon and the SNP`s, obviously their endless denigration of all things south of their border and absolutely no appreciation for any support we do give them inevitably and understandably give them no brownie points or popularity down here.
If it comes to a motion of confidence she will win it because the Scottish Greens will vote with her as they also want independence,
I'm not sure where you get all of your facts from, but some of them look like opinions.
I think that it is equally plausible to argue that AS is generating a lot of heat and light in order to help his relevance, downplay his dubious conduct and thus resurrect what is left of his career. I suspect that only a very few people know the truth, which is why I find the idea of some large and elaborate conspiracy pretty fanciful.
I think it is distinctly odd that AS should try to undermine the very institutions that the SNP would need to make independence work. It seems counter-intuitive - unless the principal motive behind his actions is to settle scores.
Good viewing though.
Interesting you should think that TS.As far as conspiracy theories go; we could plausibly suggest that AS never really wanted an independent Scotland and the only reason he is being as public as he is, is not just to clear his name, but because bringing down NS might put the brakes on the movement. Deep state if you will.
You place a high value on honesty and I wouldn`t disagree with that so I trust you are equally honest with yourself.If so perhaps you would acknowledge the undoubted truth that you endlessly search for anything you can find that discredits our national government whilst ignoring and excluding anything that reflects well on them and of course vice versa with the opposition. Or is that too honest for you to acknowledge?Telling lies to parliament is not a mere shortcoming. Breaking the law is not insignificant. you put a high
I think they call that a back handed complement through gritted teeth.I praised the furlough scheme, I praised BJ making same sex marriage legal in Northern Ireland. I've even acknowledged that the vaccination roll out is one of the few things that the government has got right during the pandemic. However that does not excuse the deplorable corruption and lack of concern for legality at the heart of this despicable administration. I criticised Corbyn over his Brexit muddle of a policy and am not overly impressed with Starmer although he is an infinitely better alternative to the criminally negligent incumbent.
I think they call that a back handed complement through gritted teeth.
Just been reading that, politics makes strange bedfellows, well done David DavisHotting up nicely now David Davis has brought the Salmond affair up in parliament.
Just had a quick glance, will read fully later. Yep, well done Davis.Just been reading that, politics makes strange bedfellows, well done David Davis
Fascinating!Hotting up nicely now David Davis has brought the Salmond affair up in parliament.
If you read/listen to David Davis's speech from yesterday then it will help you to understand where AS, Joanna Cherry etc are coming from in regard to the institutions.I think it is distinctly odd that AS should try to undermine the very institutions that the SNP would need to make independence work. It seems counter-intuitive - unless the principal motive behind his actions is to settle scores.
I think the why is because it was expected that the evidence would come out at the enquiry, particularly after the threat of the no confidence vote. The fact that information is still being given in such a miserly way has lead to a very careful expose under Parliamentary Privilege. And yes, of course, they hope it damages the SNP in the elections. However, it is highlighting that when Devolution was enshrined, it was not done in a way allowing whistle blowers to call the Government to account in the Scottish Parliament, it gave too much power to the Executive. If, heaven forbid, we saw independence, there would be little MSP's could do to hold the Government to account, they could just bury their mistakes.Haven`t followed this too closely as some of it is pretty dense stuff at times.
So I understand the `what` (regarding David Davis` Parliamentary Privilege speech), but don`t totally understand the `why` (at this moment in time).
I`m assuming the government has kept its powder dry until now, and that David Davis has been entrusted with the job of would-be assassin by the government now that Sturgeon has played her hand...
I agree.Haven`t followed this too closely as some of it is pretty dense stuff at times.
So I understand the `what` (regarding David Davis` Parliamentary Privilege speech), but don`t totally understand the `why` (at this moment in time).
I`m assuming the government has kept its powder dry until now, and that David Davis has been entrusted with the job of would-be assassin by the government now that Sturgeon has played her hand...
Yep I agree with your comments about the division of powers and that an amendment to the Act to build in more checks and balances seems like a good idea. It’ll be interesting to see how that’s presented in Scotland. England interfering in Scottish affairs. Or sensible house management, especially important if there was independence.I think the why is because it was expected that the evidence would come out at the enquiry, particularly after the threat of the no confidence vote. The fact that information is still being given in such a miserly way has lead to a very careful expose under Parliamentary Privilege. And yes, of course, they hope it damages the SNP in the elections. However, it is highlighting that when Devolution was enshrined, it was not done in a way allowing whistle blowers to call the Government to account in the Scottish Parliament, it gave too much power to the Executive. If, heaven forbid, we saw independence, there would be little MSP's could do to hold the Government to account, they could just bury their mistakes.
Not everyone who votes SNP supports independence. Krankie and Co ignore that at their peril.The SNP seems to have been captured in a Personality Cult-like process, with the spat between Salmond and Sturgeon a bit like the Night of the Long Knives. With most of the Scots chanting the Braveheart “Freeeeedom!” mantra, without accepting the real economic consequences of independence.
So, if they are that brainwashed, then DD’s speech is the opening salvo to discredit Sturgeon’s character and reputation in the run up to the Holyrood MSP elections in May. Hopefully, the other parliamentary parties will do their bit in assassinating her character as well. The SNP will still win, but if they lose some seats they cannot claim “overwhelming” support for their main policy.
It sounds as if there is plenty of evidence to open the Scots’ eyes. So far they have remained wilfully blind, though DD’s attack is right concerning the cover-up that the SNP government appears to be trying in the Holyrood enquiry which has its roots in the lack of separation of Govt, Justice system and Civil Service. The latter two seem to have been “captured and held hostage” by Sturgeon and her machiavellian husband.
Sturgeon wants a plebiscite on IndyRef2 to be added to the Holyrood MSP ballot papers. I expect Bozo will crush that desire forcefully.
Makes you wonder if other papers haven’t been threatened as well. I don’t recall seeing the DD speech to Parliament being published elsewhere.The latest news today is that the Scottish Crown office has threatened the Spectator for publishing David Davis's speech to Parliament. They even tried to make them not tell anyone that they had been threatened!
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In a Democracy, in this case, the only reason to redact or censor information is, rightly, to protect anyone who has made a complaint of sexual misconduct. It is not there to protect incompetence or worse.
I am surprised that this is not bigger news.
Good pointMakes you wonder if other papers haven’t been threatened as well. I don’t recall seeing the DD speech to Parliament being published elsewhere.
Actually now I’ve googled it there are quite a few mentions. Just not terribly prominent.Good point