Should we scrap the Monarchy?

Should Britain become a Republic?

  • Yes

    Votes: 33 36.3%

  • No

    Votes: 58 63.7%
  • Total voters
    91
My position has always been one if indifference towards the monarchy

Personally always thought they were an anachronism and I do believe our class system is a drag on the economy and society which is why for the life of me,I cannot understand the Englush working class need to doff their caps to their " betters" .

However I have friends and family who like the queen and will not tolerate Republican views - if they give people a sense of wellbeing I don't give a fk enough

Do find it ironic that the likes if the Mail and Sun which can be cringing sycophants towards our Liz and family are roundly despised by the whole firm.
 
TheSpiritOf53 said:
Don't understand why those who want a republic are making an issue of this now. The Queen is still very popular but she'll be dead soon. There is no way Charles will command the affection and respect people have for her majesty, more likely I can see him being deeply unpopular. I can also see Canada, Australia and New Zealand getting rid of the monarchy once Elizabeth is gone. It is also possible that this could all be happening in the middle of the break up of the UK.

If an interview with Harry and Meghan by Oprah causes the amount of kerfuffle and questions being asked about the monarchy's future then imagine what things will be like in these circumstances. If you want rid of the royals you need to bide your time.
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Good points.
 
Scaramanga said:
Hahaha yeah ok
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Ignorance is bliss....

A fact that the ** gluttons living off your back rely upon 👍

I doubt they would bow to you - Yet you sing songs to glorify them, when they wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire and literally look down on you like you are scum.

Yet... You're not oppressed😆

Like I said - It's Stockholm Syndrome
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Ignorance is bliss....

A fact that the ** gluttons living off your back rely upon 👍

I doubt they would bow to you - Yet you sing songs to glorify them, when they wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire and literally look down on you like you are scum.

Yet... You're not oppressed😆

Like I said - It's Stockholm Syndrome
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Your views are merited but keep it calm x3.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Ignorance is bliss....

A fact that the ** gluttons living off your back rely upon 👍

I doubt they would bow to you - Yet you sing songs to glorify them, when they wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire and literally look down on you like you are scum.

Yet... You're not oppressed😆

Like I said - It's Stockholm Syndrome
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You seem a touch rattled 😂👋🏻👋🏻
 
Been a republican all my life and voiced it. Had the misfortune to meet a couple of the family. However, the recent issues have made me defensive of them, except Andrew, who should have a good prison sentence the dirty p*****, allegedly. He needs to hand himself in. The Royal Family have screwed that up completely.
 
There may be a subtle justification for having a head of state who is hereditary but with little or no power constitutionally. The monarch is a figurehead but the main purpose of a monarch who has no constitutional power is to deny absolute power to anybody else. The monarch’s purpose is to deny the rise of a dictator in the UK. It’s one of the reasons the armed forces swear allegiance to the non-political monarch and why many RF members are nominal Colonels-in-Chief of regiments.

That came about a long time ago, when Oliver Cromwell died and in the years that followed up to 1689 when it was formalised. Nowadays with democracy firmly embedded and universal suffrage it seems less crucial. But it was less than 100 years ago that Mosley was jackbooting his way through London in imitation of his hero.
 
I am ambivalent about the royals, I see how they can be helpful at times as the non-political figureheads, but it is a totally anachronistic institution. Barmy and populated by strange people.

However, for us to get rid of them, it might take a very fractious, dangerous and potentially violent upheaval. I don’t think this country has the maturity to do such a thing peacefully. Just look what the Brexit vote brought in the two different camps. An attempt to abolish the monarchy would be 100 or 1000 times worse.
 
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Archibald Knox said:
There may be a subtle justification for having a head of state who is hereditary but with little or no power constitutionally. The monarch is a figurehead but the main purpose of a monarch who has no constitutional power is to deny absolute power to anybody else. The monarch’s purpose is to deny the rise of a dictator in the UK. It’s one of the reasons the armed forces swear allegiance to the non-political monarch and why many RF members are nominal Colonels-in-Chief of regiments.

That came about a long time ago, when Oliver Cromwell died and in the years that followed up to 1689 when it was formalised. Nowadays with democracy firmly embedded and universal suffrage it seems less crucial. But it was less than 100 years ago that Mosley was jackbooting his way through London in imitation of his hero.
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You are correct about the denial of absolute power to anyone else but, (pedantic point): the Monarch does have Constitutional Power. No legislation can be enacted without the assent of all three parts of Parliament - Commons, Lords and Monarch.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
You are correct about the denial of absolute power to anyone else but, (pedantic point): the Monarch does have Constitutional Power. No legislation can be enacted without the assent of all three parts of Parliament - Commons, Lords and Monarch.
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I agree somewhat in terms of notional formalities. But the moment the monarch actually exercised their constitutional power in their own right, according to their own opinion, they would lose it. We came indirectly close to that when HMQ’s representative, the Governor-General of Australia dismissed their PM, Gough Whitlam in 1975. There was a strong rise in Aussie republicanism, as if HMQ was thought to be directly responsible.
 
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Archibald Knox said:
I am ambivalent about the royals, I see how they can be helpful at times as the non-political figureheads, but it is a totally anachronistic institution. Barmy and populated by strange people.

However, for us to get rid of them, it might take a very fractious, dangerous and potentially violent upheaval. I don’t think this country has the maturity to do such a thing peacefully. Just look what the Brexit vote brought in the two different camps. An attempt to abolish the monarchy would be 100 or 1000 times worse.
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It’s dangerous ground as per the last time the monarchy was removed.
 
Definitely...............and then all those hardworking MP's can divide the spoils between themselves, you don't think we'd see any benefit do you?
 
Not read all before, but....

Who are the Monarchy?

All they are is the hardest bunch of historical bstards!

Back in the mists of time, they were Ronnie & Reggie of very long ago, & hundreds of years later, they are now Royal. They are no better than any of us, & people will say they didn't ask to be Royal, but remember where/when it all started, exactly the same as you or me, but just thugs, who took land & goods, as at that time (before land registry!!😂) it was all up for grabs, & grab it they did..

Or is there a fairytale version???
 
clappers said:
It’s dangerous ground as per the last time the monarchy was removed.
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The last time, the monarch was guilty of treasonous behaviour and rightly executed under his own laws. His treason ? Conspiring with a foreign power (Scotland) to send their army into England and also raising an Irish army to overthrow Parliament. It took much treasonous provocation over 7 years from Charles I before he was eventually put on trial. But as ever, the real underlying reason was money and the dispute that the King had in petitioning for large funds, as only Parliament could raise substantial taxes from the people.
 
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