As per the post above the referees are not the problem. Respect them at all times - great lesson for life.
No actual you are wrong, 100% this wouldn't have happened with an experienced ref
points completely missed. I'm gonna presume that you think the FA misconduct charge your team have incurred wasnt any of your teams fault as well?Former Wales captain Ashley Williams has been charged by the FA in Manchester after an incident at his son's football match.
Correct it absolutely wasn't
I remember trying to justify a similar situation that arose when by lad was playing by blaming a young ref….
But again like the other bloke you are talking generally and not specifically about this game
They’re just young kids learning to referee, same as the other kids are learning to play football. You don’t have to be Ronaldo to participate and play the game and likewise you shouldn’t have to be Collina to referee.
But there wasn't any abuse towards the refThey’re just young kids learning to referee, same as the other kids are learning to play football. You don’t have to be Ronaldo to participate and play the game and likewise you shouldn’t have to be Collina to referee.
People should be supportive and thankful that these kids are willing to referee at all, considering the abuse that most are subjected to on a regular basis.
It’s kids football, not the World Cup
I’m talking generally.. I’m saying we should be grateful they are willing to ref at all, given the fact they regularly do get abuse.But there wasn't any abuse towards the ref
Not if their inability to do their job causes a riot
That’s what I’m saying though Phil… it isn’t down to their inability.
But the violence only happened as one of the teams got away with stuff the whole game due to the ref not having any control
So their Manager should have had a word with his player and if he didn't behave, then he should have been brought off... And your Manager should be encouraging better discipline.. They're suppose to be responsible adults in a position of authority and trust, yet you want to shift the blame onto a kid?
You aren't paying attention
You’re up early
Yep their coach along with the referee who didn’t have a clueYou’re up early
I am paying attention though… It’s just not sinking in yet.
If a riot occurred, then that is the fault of those who were involved in the riot.
If your players were intimidated by the opposition, then that is the fault and responsibility of the opposition manager / coach / parents.
You can’t expect a young ref (who’s there to learn and participate just like your kids) and likely intimidated himself to deal with that sort of situation…. It should never happen
Their coach, clearly isn’t fit to be involved in kids football.
The refs just need support mate… He’s someone’s kid too… A young lad who wants to be involved in football and learn to ref… He should be able to do that in a safe and supportive environment.
Cheers palThe refs just need support mate… He’s someone’s kid too… A young lad who wants to be involved in football and learn to ref… He should be able to do that in a safe and supportive environment.
Instead he’s subjected to an adult coach who is unfit to be involved in football and the angst of parents.
Root and branch attitude change required…
Good luck today
Blame Tory Corner
Its everyone else's fault. I've also tried to explain but looks like it's just not sinking in.You’re up early
I am paying attention though… It’s just not sinking in yet.
If a riot occurred, then that is the fault of those who were involved in the riot.
If your players were intimidated by the opposition, then that is the fault and responsibility of the opposition manager / coach / parents.
You can’t expect a young ref (who’s there to learn and participate just like your kids) and likely intimidated himself to deal with that sort of situation…. It should never happen
Their coach, clearly isn’t fit to be involved in kids football.
It's fine you laying blame at certain peoples door but what you have not done is come up with a solution as to what should have happened on that particular day to the situation Phil describes? If there is is clear intimidation and assaults by opposition players on your young child and the referee is taking no action then what should happen?You’re up early
I am paying attention though… It’s just not sinking in yet.
If a riot occurred, then that is the fault of those who were involved in the riot.
If your players were intimidated by the opposition, then that is the fault and responsibility of the opposition manager / coach / parents.
You can’t expect a young ref (who’s there to learn and participate just like your kids) and likely intimidated himself to deal with that sort of situation…. It should never happen
Their coach, clearly isn’t fit to be involved in kids football.
It's not just this one match. Itll of been an escalation over games / seasons. Needs to have a reset and the manager if hes capable of it needs to create a new norm of how him, his players and parents behave and react to situations. If the manager isnt capable of this then a new person needs to step forward. Respect is needed at all times.
The opposition coach should be given a formal warning by the league for a start off. Of course, football tends to bring out the bias in everyone and we’re getting a one sided story, but kids football should be conducted in a safe environment and adults / coaches / parents need to take some responsibility.
of course it is, but it avoids answering my question. I realise and have seen it first hand this type of situation a number of times. But as a parent you have a duty to protect your child and if intimidation and assaults are happening on the field of play and the referee is clearly doing nothing about it,probably because of fear himself, then both the manager of the team and you as a parent do need to do something whilst it's happening. Of course, further action needs to take place after the event but as I said something needs to happen at the time.
Either coach can remove their players if they feel the situation is unsafe or escalating out of control.
yep they can but that leads to further problems down the line because if the referee isn't doing anything about it at the time, it's doubtful that he'll support it when it comes to the league dealing with the event at a later date. And my point remains, as a parent you have a duty to protect your child. And it isn't easy to always stand up to intimidation and bullying by either a manager,parent or referee at the time. The problems are pretty clear, the answers on the day are not so.
yep well said and good to hear. Of course it's a problem and incidents are increasing in numbers but it's still a minute percentage. Let's not lose sight of that.
It's nothing new, just worse these days.
I've tried to put my views and experience of what I'd of done if I was in this situation further up on this thread
yeah no problem. I just wanted to highlight how imo it can be so difficult to do anything on the actual day.
The referees are kids 20’s… they’re learning the game like everyone else. It’s kids football, not the professional game, the adults have to take responsibility.