Pilley gets 13 years

Lala said:
Sorry but for me the only thing I feel about him being a Pool fan is embarrassment.

This was a long sustained intentional financial assault on many victims. Some of them children’s charities and the disabled. It’s pre-meditated cruelty with consequences to the victims that will go beyond the financial loss, such as the health impacts.
A greedy, cruel narcissistic pig is my summing up.
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Hence the sentence, which is severe. Greed.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Why would it be mothballed, Poolfoot doesn't lose money
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Servicing the site will be considerable. Thats why the Darlington Arena is coming down - Mowden Park - who own it have no debt on it but cannot afford to run it (even the only bit they use)
 
rockontommy said:
Naïve to think it will continue to be run as it is. Go up during the day when there's no kids tournaments on. Staff all over the place. Who pays them all now there's no one to defraud?

Not a sniff Poolfoot makes enough money (I'm not doubting that it could) to keep Fleetwood Town FC and BES afloat. Something will have to give. Might take time but the ship is going down.
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Poolfoot is similar to Fylde’s facility, in that it’s staffed mainly by students on vocational courses and sports degrees. The funding comes from government. It’s kind of a self-perpetuating job creation scheme - give the non-academic kids something to do instead of college at 16,and when they progress they become coaches themselves.
I think the bfc college is similar, they just don’t have a publicly accessible training facility.
 
rockontommy said:
Naïve to think it will continue to be run as it is. Go up during the day when there's no kids tournaments on. Staff all over the place. Who pays them all now there's no one to defraud?

Not a sniff Poolfoot makes enough money (I'm not doubting that it could) to keep Fleetwood Town FC and BES afloat. Something will have to give. Might take time but the ship is going down.
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I didn't say it takes enough money to keep Fleetwood afloat as it clearly doesn't
 
So is a POCA inevitable / likely / 50:50?
What are people‘s views on this?
I doubt they will be able to continue with ‘business as usual’ as they suggested.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
I didn't say it takes enough money to keep Fleetwood afloat as it clearly doesn't
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No you said it doesn't lose money which was automatically disapproved by Bollie who posted it needed 200k to keep afloat.

Grants,kids working, amateur football,pub restaurant etc can't keep the pace running for a Lge 1 side and it's one man's money which pays for it as the club brings nothing in the till.
 
Tangerine Tractor said:
Poolfoot is similar to Fylde’s facility, in that it’s staffed mainly by students on vocational courses and sports degrees. The funding comes from government. It’s kind of a self-perpetuating job creation scheme - give the non-academic kids something to do instead of college at 16,and when they progress they become coaches themselves.
I think the bfc college is similar, they just don’t have a publicly accessible training facility.
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I spend a lot of time up there. Some of the students must have tough paper rounds.
 
What is likely though, is the companies who were over charged or had to close down etc because of BES now have a case to take to the court.

A POC is more than likely
Any remaining money in BES....That's going to go
Any money sitting in Pilleys name....That's going to go
Any debtors in Pilleys name.....They will be used to pay off creditors......Fleetwood Town owing him £20m will be sold.
Any land, homes, business or asset in Pilleys name......They will go
 
tangerine_neil said:
So is a POCA inevitable / likely / 50:50?
What are people‘s views on this?
I doubt they will be able to continue with ‘business as usual’ as they suggested.
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100 percent nailed on certainty.

The question is how much and to what extent assets have to be liquidated to fund it.

Then we get to the regulators. Ofgem already indicated that it would’ve stripped BES of its licence earlier if it had the full picture.

Then the football regulators.

Etc
 
Bamberholic said:
If Pilley had a previous conviction for fraud going back to 98 how under EFL rules was he allowed to become chairman?
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Two possibilities:

1) it was a ‘spent’ conviction. That is to say he had gone a certain time after his jail sentence and no longer had to declare it. For a four-month sentence that would only be two years

2) as he already owned the club, he was ‘grandfathered’ in

Think it was probably 1.
 
Bamberholic said:
If Pilley had a previous conviction for fraud going back to 98 how under EFL rules was he allowed to become chairman?
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He took over a non league side where the rules about ownership weren't the same when they became a league side stuff all the EFL could do.
 
Tangerine Tractor said:
Yeah, a few get kept on afterwards, but the majority are just passing through.
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I'm on about football coaches, groundsmen, chefs and the rest who will all be earning dough. It's not a commune.

Anyway, let's just wait and see how it all pans out. Personally can't see how the football club doesn't eventually uncouple from anything worth any money - playing staff included.
 
if anyone has been watching the excellent documentary series Parole on BBC2, Recommended. a real insight into the judicial system. Some right numbers there. the last programme featured a man in his thirties who had a record for robbery / burglary just to feed his drug habit. HE as given parole and at the end they saud he had been recalled for another incident after about ten months.
 
Markobfc said:
I am not going to gloat at any of this, families have been destroyed and lives irreparably damaged on both sides with the sentence looking overly harsh when put up against paedo's and murderers.
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I agree. I guess there may be a case to be made that the length of his sentence reflects the amount of people that were impacted by his actions. For example, if it was 13 then you could say that it was 1 year per victim? But either way the optics don't look good when paedos and rapists can often get lesser sentences than financial criminals. I think most people would agree that this doesn't feel right....
 
TonyParrsDodgyMic said:
On your first visit to this court, your counsel’s first words were to ask that you should not have to sit in the dock. I refused it on the basis that all defendants are treated equally here. Now as you come to be sentenced you tell me through counsel that you feel humiliated and your prison cell is small.
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Too small for his ego, it would seem.
 
poolseasider said:
He took over a non league side where the rules about ownership weren't the same when they became a league side stuff all the EFL could do.
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No. The test applies when the club joins or rejoins the EFL. There was a similar question when we got relegated from the premier league, because the EFL should have applied it to OO but they didn’t. Likewise the Premier League should have applied it, but never followed it though.
 
To a point I can see why some people think 13 years is an extremely harsh sentence, when not a single banker has even so much has been to court over the financial crash a few years back.
And yes they miss sold services and handed out loans recklessly all to make big bonuses. There were a hell of a lot more lives ruined than of Pilleys making.
 
Atletico_Seasider said:
I agree. I guess there may be a case to be made that the length of his sentence reflects the amount of people that were impacted by his actions. For example, if it was 13 then you could say that it was 1 year per victim? But either way the optics don't look good when paedos and rapists can often get lesser sentences than financial criminals. I think most people would agree that this doesn't feel right....
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I think/assume it has a lot to do with the timescales involved. This was planned and done over a lengthy period of time, not a one-off spur of the moment thing.
Serial criminals usually get longer sentences.
 
Tangerine Tractor said:
No. The test applies when the club joins or rejoins the EFL. There was a similar question when we got relegated from the premier league, because the EFL should have applied it to OO but they didn’t. Likewise the Premier League should have applied it, but never followed it though.
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Four months imprisonment doesn’t permanently disqualify you As I recall it’s 12 months or more
 
Criminal matters:
(g) having an Unspent Conviction by a court of competent jurisdiction in England and Wales in respect of any offence involving:
(i) a Dishonest Act;
(ii) corruption;
(iii) perverting the course of justice;
(iv) a serious breach of any requirement under the 1985 Act or 2006 Act;
(v) dishonestly receiving a programme broadcast from within the UK with intent to avoid payment under Section 297 of the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988;
(vi) admitting spectators to watch a football match at unlicensed premises under Section 9 of the Football Spectators Act 1989;
(vii) ticket touting under Section 166 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994;
(viii) any attempt or conspiracy to commit any of the above offences;
(ix) a Hate Crime; or
(h) having an Unspent Conviction for a like offence to any of the above offences by a court of competent jurisdiction outside England and Wales;
(i) having an Unspent Conviction by a court of competent jurisdiction anywhere in the world (including any attempt and/or any conspiracy to commit the same) that results in a sentence of at least 12 months’ imprisonment but for the avoidance of doubt, not a suspended jail sentence unless that sentence is subsequently activated for a period of at least 12 months for whatever reason;
(j) being subject to a banning order in accordance with the Football Spectators Act 1989 (or any like sanction pursuant to similar provisions in any other jurisdiction);
(k) in the reasonable opinion of The League, has engaged in conduct outside the United Kingdom that would constitute an offence of the sort described in paragraph (g) of this definition if such conduct had taken place in the United Kingdom, whether or not such conduct resulted in a Conviction;
(l) being a Registered Offender (as defined in this Appendix 3);
 
He also owns League of Ireland second tier side Waterford FC. Here's their statement. Pretty similar to Fleetwood's.

waterfordfc.ie

Club Statement: Andy Pilley - Waterford FC

Waterford Football Club acknowledges the sentencing in the court case involving owner Andy Pilley. The club would like to reiterate convictions are against individuals and not Waterford FC, or any...
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Just can't take this in 13 years and what about the water companies and all the shit they've been allowed to get away with, and scum bag politicians who have allowed that too. Something not right with this country
 
Stranny1870 said:
Just been reading comments on cod army site on Facebook and they are delusional about how good a man he is and what he has done for them and the town. They do not seem to grasp that his money has come fraudulently.
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Looks to me like they are currently going through the 5 stages of grief and are still at stage one at the moment -

Denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance
 
Stranny1870 said:
Just been reading comments on cod army site on Facebook and they are delusional about how good a man he is and what he has done for them and the town. They do not seem to grasp that his money has come fraudulently.
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Yes such is life, if they benefit then they are ok. But if you are connected to this in anyway you may well think differently, Illness and hardship
is not a great thing to see, many people on here have expressed their views some of them understand the implications of him and his associates actions. Many people are still suffering from this ordeal. The Judge summed him up perfectly.
 
tangysider said:
That statement is almost word for word same as Waterford.
The fact is Fleetwood cannot possibly sustain a league presence without a major backer and I think they will have to resign from the league.
Waterford is interesting, maybe Sadler can offer to take them over as well given we are actively looking at the Irish market for players and we can loan out promising dev players to a competitive league
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That was only a small reason why Andy bought Waterford, there would be a lot more bonuses to anyone buying them now if they are for sale
 
I know somebody very close to Andy Pilley and I've got loads of good information and insight on him for quite a few years now and I have to say he always came across as a good guy. I'm shocked at 13 years and it seems very harsh to me. However he's been proven guilty and there's plenty of victims in this. I have to admit I would have been happy at the time if he'd have bought BFC but I'm so glad he didn't. We would be a laughing stock today. Thank heaven for Simon Sadler.
 
Well it seems like we've both been victim to dodgy owners in different ways. Looks like they've thrown the book at him. Glad I'm honest as porridge would not suit me one bit. Talking to a few Fleetwood fans at work today & I feel they will see the impact of this in the near future. I got the impression they felt that all will be ok, although I'm not sure they actually really believed it. Rich people seem to think they can buy their way out of almost anything & usually it's true. Whilst compared with other sentences it's a whopping term. I'm not going to debate the right's & wrongs of it's length, or our legal system & there are many many flaws. Hope some of the other entitled twats are dealt with in a similar manner along with all the other criminals & murderers etc. I'm not holding my breath though.
 
Tanger said:
The people singing songs on this thread need to give their heads a wobble. People will lose their livelihoods here and I'd think we had a little more class about ourselves not to revel in that. What Pilley did was wrong he is now paying the price, FTFC will not survive this IMO and that's more than enough. We don't need to sing about it.
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Bollocks. It’s football banter. Every club in the same position would do the same.
 
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