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I understand that there won't be an immediate election but it's at least a way of registering opposition to the trashing of the UK economy.
The current situation is very serious and will effect everyone in the country. The money that they have given to energy companies to limit energy bills has been wasted as other bills for families such as mortgage repayments and food bills will rise at least as much as a result of this policy disaster. We are being lead by a bunch of zealots who are blinded by free market dogma and don't seem to understand or care about the consequences of their actions. Pension funds failing would be a disaster - that very nearly happened yesterday. You cannot play fast and loose with the economy and something needs to be done. 10 million signatures would at least make some of the back benchers think or hopefully act to stop this madness.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
I understand that there won't be an immediate election but it's at least a way of registering opposition to the trashing of the UK economy.
The current situation is very serious and will effect everyone in the country. The money that they have given to energy companies to limit energy bills has been wasted as other bills for families such as mortgage repayments and food bills will rise at least as much as a result of this policy disaster. We are being lead by a bunch of zealots who are blinded by free market dogma and don't seem to understand or care about the consequences of their actions. Pension funds failing would be a disaster - that very nearly happened yesterday. You cannot play fast and loose with the economy and something needs to be done. 10 million signatures would at least make some of the back benchers think or hopefully act to stop this madness.
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Or it is a waste of time and resources when there's so much going on.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
I understand that there won't be an immediate election but it's at least a way of registering opposition to the trashing of the UK economy.
The current situation is very serious and will effect everyone in the country. The money that they have given to energy companies to limit energy bills has been wasted as other bills for families such as mortgage repayments and food bills will rise at least as much as a result of this policy disaster. We are being lead by a bunch of zealots who are blinded by free market dogma and don't seem to understand or care about the consequences of their actions. Pension funds failing would be a disaster - that very nearly happened yesterday. You cannot play fast and loose with the economy and something needs to be done. 10 million signatures would at least make some of the back benchers think or hopefully act to stop this madness.
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And in europe the euro is now 1.2 10 days ago it was 1.8.
 
Wouldn't matter if it got a million signatures it would never get through parliament with the huge Tory majority.

Now it's about to hit 100k will have to be debated which is a waste of MP's time with all the crap that's going on that they should be discussing.
 
poolseasider said:
Wouldn't matter if it got a million signatures it would never get through parliament with the huge Tory majority.

Now it's about to hit 100k will have to be debated which is a waste of MP's time with all the crap that's going on that they should be discussing.
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I agree, a waste of time, but anything that stops Tory MP's from passing more shit through as Law or policy has it merits.

The only thing that will bring attention is demo's in Central London calling for a GE, based on an unelected PM who was even in direct policy opposition to her rival.

Tory MP's will become more split and some will have no choice but to be seen to back the calls for a GE, whilst others will just do what others do and suck up to the cabinet.
 
It’s a lame impotent petition. We had the same fro the remainers when they lost the Brexit vote. There’s no point to these petitions.
They’re not gonna recall Parliament early, never mind have a general election.
 
By the way, a week is a long time in politics. They’re could be another 2 years until an election.

The world will be different in two years time, and voters will vote based on the situation at that time. None of us know what that will look like. But it’s very unlikely to be akin to the dramatic last few days since Truss took office.
 
Malced said:
By the way, a week is a long time in politics. They’re could be another 2 years until an election.

The world will be different in two years time, and voters will vote based on the situation at that time. None of us know what that will look like. But it’s very unlikely to be akin to the dramatic last few days since Truss took office.
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Very true that a week is a long time in politics. But if interest rates continue to rise alongside the general cost of living for a prolonged period, then that's going to have a devastating effect on peoples' living standards. I don't think that will be forgotten very easily.
The Government appear to have made a huge mistake on the economy with this budget.
There's no doubt Labour have a huge open goal to aim at.
 
RUSTY_2_STANDS said:
Very true that a week is a long time in politics. But if interest rates continue to rise alongside the general cost of living for a prolonged period, then that's going to have a devastating effect on peoples' living standards. I don't think that will be forgotten very easily.
The Government appear to have made a huge mistake on the economy with this budget.
There's no doubt Labour have a huge open goal to aim at.
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Only the immediate adverse outcome of this mini budget has been seen. Time will tell as to what happens in the round. Dearer mortgages is a bad consequence but hopefully the interest rates will normalise.
 
RUSTY_2_STANDS said:
Very true that a week is a long time in politics. But if interest rates continue to rise alongside the general cost of living for a prolonged period, then that's going to have a devastating effect on peoples' living standards. I don't think that will be forgotten very easily.
The Government appear to have made a huge mistake on the economy with this budget.
There's no doubt Labour have a huge open goal to aim at.
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And missing😂
 
Malced said:
By the way, a week is a long time in politics. They’re could be another 2 years until an election.

The world will be different in two years time, and voters will vote based on the situation at that time. None of us know what that will look like. But it’s very unlikely to be akin to the dramatic last few days since Truss took office.
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Absolutety true that lots can change. Corbyn looked wiped out and recovered to 40% in 2017. Think Miliband had a huge lead around 2013. It would take an almighty comeback. However, it could also get much worse. Most people haven't even felt the results of all this yet. We have the winter to get through, energy bills are about to rise in a week's time. NHS waiting times are getting longer and longer. House prices may fall and people are going to be paying extra for their mortgage, possibly more than the money they are 'getting back' from energy caps. The Government are apparently set to announce public sector cuts shortly. Things can change, but the scary thing is for the Tories, it's quite likely to actually get worse for them
 
foggy said:
Absolutety true that lots can change. Corbyn looked wiped out and recovered to 40% in 2017. Think Miliband had a huge lead around 2013. It would take an almighty comeback. However, it could also get much worse. Most people haven't even felt the results of all this yet. We have the winter to get through, energy bills are about to rise in a week's time. NHS waiting times are getting longer and longer. House prices may fall and people are going to be paying extra for their mortgage, possibly more than the money they are 'getting back' from energy caps. The Government are apparently set to announce public sector cuts shortly. Things can change, but the scary thing is for the Tories, it's quite likely to actually get worse for them
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How on earth can further cuts be made after the austerity years? It smacks of the country being run into the ground. I can see the poorer areas being hit hardest with education and health being cut more on these places and funded in the more affluent areas. Transport is on its arse the trains don't run on time, motorways are packed. The infrastructure has been sold off to the highest bidder, its quite frightening. In the background is the demographic time bomb with a nation consisting of as many pensioners as workers, social care is in tatters. What are the tories thinking?
Brexit was the catalyst for this madness, its left a scar on this country and the tory infighting hasn't been solved, they've merely relegated the moderates to over promote the idiotic zealots and turn coats (Truss being one).
 
foggy said:
Absolutety true that lots can change. Corbyn looked wiped out and recovered to 40% in 2017. Think Miliband had a huge lead around 2013. It would take an almighty comeback. However, it could also get much worse. Most people haven't even felt the results of all this yet. We have the winter to get through, energy bills are about to rise in a week's time. NHS waiting times are getting longer and longer. House prices may fall and people are going to be paying extra for their mortgage, possibly more than the money they are 'getting back' from energy caps. The Government are apparently set to announce public sector cuts shortly. Things can change, but the scary thing is for the Tories, it's quite likely to actually get worse for them
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I expect things will get worse before they get better. I think you’ve painted a fair picture.

They said this PM would have the most difficult in-tray waiting for her. The mini-budget has arguably made it a lot worse on the back of a bad situation. At this point I’ve no care for which party is in power after the next election. I think we all want to get to a better position for the country and get some financial stability. I don’t know if her initial measures will work, but I do think it was a mistake to bypass the OBR.
 
Shandypants said:
How on earth can further cuts be made after the austerity years? It smacks of the country being run into the ground. I can see the poorer areas being hit hardest with education and health being cut more on these places and funded in the more affluent areas. Transport is on its arse the trains don't run on time, motorways are packed. The infrastructure has been sold off to the highest bidder, its quite frightening. In the background is the demographic time bomb with a nation consisting of as many pensioners as workers, social care is in tatters. What are the tories thinking?
Brexit was the catalyst for this madness, its left a scar on this country and the tory infighting hasn't been solved, they've merely relegated the moderates to over promote the idiotic zealots and turn coats (Truss being one).
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My short answer to this is that the public sector is huge and bloated beyond all recognition. There’s plenty of unnecessary fat to cut away. As a former civil service senior project manager we would constantly get spending reviews and have to find efficiencies through better automation and sharing of data across government departments. Change is a constant. There’s always room to make improvements and efficiencies.
 
Malced said:
My short answer to this is that the public sector is huge and bloated beyond all recognition. There’s plenty of unnecessary fat to cut away. As a former civil service senior project manager we would constantly get spending reviews and have to find efficiencies through better automation and sharing of data across government departments. Change is a constant. There’s always room to make improvements and efficiencies.
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Maybe, I spent 17 years in local government and I'd agree it was bloated in the 90s but I didn't think so when I left in 2013. I think we've also got to recognise that public services are more than counting the pennies. They play an hugely important role in our communities and should be properly funded through taxation.
 
Malced said:
My short answer to this is that the public sector is huge and bloated beyond all recognition. There’s plenty of unnecessary fat to cut away. As a former civil service senior project manager we would constantly get spending reviews and have to find efficiencies through better automation and sharing of data across government departments. Change is a constant. There’s always room to make improvements and efficiencies.
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When was this? Because I think the picture has changed drastically these last few years to the other extreme.
 
Shandypants said:
Maybe, I spent 17 years in local government and I'd agree it was bloated in the 90s but I didn't think so when I left in 2013. I think we've also got to recognise that public services are more than counting the pennies. They play an hugely important role in our communities and should be properly funded through taxation.
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Absolutely. But its been widely reported that the public sector has grown disproportionately in the last decade. On that basis, I would think there's plenty to go at to make savings.

I'd like to make a distinction between public sector and public services. I'm not saying we stop or reduce critical public services. But rather, all Government departments can review their spending with a view to becoming more efficent whilst maintianing those precious front-line servcies.

The public sector is vast and diverse. So its helpful to take a step back now and again, prioritise, and make sure were doing the things where we get the best bang for our buck.
 
foggy said:
I mean when where you doing that job if you don't mind me asking
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ah sorry - I joined in 1993 and spent the last 15 years of my career in project management. I was a Grade 7 for the last 4 or 5 years. I left over 3 years ago.
 
RUSTY_2_STANDS said:
Very true that a week is a long time in politics. But if interest rates continue to rise alongside the general cost of living for a prolonged period, then that's going to have a devastating effect on peoples' living standards. I don't think that will be forgotten very easily.
The Government appear to have made a huge mistake on the economy with this budget.
There's no doubt Labour have a huge open goal to aim at.
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Ultimately, our interest rates are set by the US Federal Reserve, and the reason we've got this "currency crisis" is because they've raised their rates to 3% - 3.25% and the BoE has kept ours at 2.25%, one is tempted to wonder if the BoE is playing politics with that decision.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Ultimately, our interest rates are set by the US Federal Reserve, and the reason we've got this "currency crisis" is because they've raised their rates to 3% - 3.25% and the BoE has kept ours at 2.25%, one is tempted to wonder if the BoE is playing politics with that decision.
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Ha!!!

I knew it. Scapegoat the Bank of England.

And why not? We’ve had immigrants, single mothers, the unions, the Labour Party, transgender types, climate activists, the BBC, the IMF, the EU, the US, the French, the Germans, the Italians, the Scottish, remainers, Channel 4…….

It’s the Tory version of “Your 15 minutes of fame”.

Yep. It’s your turn. You’re to blame for everything wrong with the country. 👀 👀 👀
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Ha!!!

I knew it. Scapegoat the Bank of England.

And why not? We’ve had immigrants, single mothers, the unions, the Labour Party, transgender types, climate activists, the BBC, the IMF, the EU, the US, the French, the Germans, the Italians, the Scottish, remainers, Channel 4…….

It’s the Tory version of “Your 15 minutes of fame”.

Yep. It’s your turn. You’re to blame for everything wrong with the country. 👀 👀 👀
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BoE should've stopped the Tories in their tracks much earlier than this tbf. They've basically been enablers up until now.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Ha!!!

I knew it. Scapegoat the Bank of England.

And why not? We’ve had immigrants, single mothers, the unions, the Labour Party, transgender types, climate activists, the BBC, the IMF, the EU, the US, the French, the Germans, the Italians, the Scottish, remainers, Channel 4…….

It’s the Tory version of “Your 15 minutes of fame”.

Yep. It’s your turn. You’re to blame for everything wrong with the country. 👀 👀 👀
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You forgot the Chinese and the World Health Organisation 🙄.
 
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