Lala
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To show her more of the sights really, she’s only been once. And I fancy a trip to Borough Market on top of the usual sight seeing.Taking in a show or just a mooch around?
And of course, a bit of retail therapy
To show her more of the sights really, she’s only been once. And I fancy a trip to Borough Market on top of the usual sight seeing.Taking in a show or just a mooch around?
No, unless you're saying things are getting better under the Tories?Ah, the old stats are wrong because they don't support my perception
I need therapy supporting our clubTo show her more of the sights really, she’s only been once. And I fancy a trip to Borough Market on top of the usual sight seeing.
And of course, a bit of retail therapy
Do you live in London?No, unless you're saying things are getting better under the Tories?
What I'm saying is what you see with your eyes, articles and reports, plus what people tell you and for a lot of things the police don't get involved.
So things may look stable in thr number of reported crimes but could be rising.
Anyone can fiddle with the figures.
Agree with your last point and I would have expanded but for the usual need for brevity. In the case of a majority NOTA (unlikely), or even a 25% NOTA, I would require a rerun based on PR. Clumsy - yes. Welcome by the electorate...doubt it. But, we are only talking about the most extreme if circumstances.I think we've had this discussion before, even if you have compulsory voting with none of the above there still isn't a mechanism to take account of a majority none of the above vote, which is what has happened in London (and many other other elections(and Brexit)) other than re-running the election. My personal point of view is a lottery similar to jury service, a random person is picked and they serve a fixed term, when the next election comes round they can be on the ballot. It requires that election finance is reformed as well. The whole system is so broken that something radical needs to be done.
I may concede that point.More likely that the hatred for the Tories prevented people from coming out to vote for the only viable alternative
No why?Do you live in London?
wwdHe's won because the opposition candidate was an absolute shambles. Turn out was just 40%, he got just 43% of the turnout, less than 20% of Londoners want him as mayor. It's a damning
ndictment that the lib Dems and the greens got just a couple of percent of votes. 20% of the vote should not be a mandate to govern.
If you lived here you might realise that it isn't.Just shows you how poor the other candidates must have been.
Get ready for London imploding in the next few years.
A large proportion of local elections have turnouts below 50%, quite a few parliamentary candidates are elected with turnout below 50%, so I'm not convinced that a NOTA majority would be that rare if there was mandatory voting. I think any new system would be clumsy, I also think any new system that made Politicians actually accountable and at risk of losing their (particularly safe) seats would be fought tooth and nail by politicians, and even more so by lobby groups and other political influencers.Agree with your last point and I would have expanded but for the usual need for brevity. In the case of a majority NOTA (unlikely), or even a 25% NOTA, I would require a rerun based on PR. Clumsy - yes. Welcome by the electorate...doubt it. But, we are only talking about the most extreme if circumstances.
Why do I need to live there to understand the truth?If you lived here you might realise that it isn't.
The fact that you are desperate to believe something doesn't make it a "truth".Why do I need to live there to understand the truth?
I’ve never lived in Preston either but I know it’s a shit hole.
When was the last time you went to London?No why?
Haven't been in many years, why, I hope this is going to be worth it, I've got a feeling it's going not going to be...When was the last time you went to London?
How often do you visit?
Desperate to believe in? Have you actually read the news clips I’ve posted? 3 independents news forums back my comments up about crime rising.The fact that you are desperate to believe something doesn't make it a "truth".
It's a multi-cultural city, and unlike you, the people who live here don't shit the bed every time they come across someone who dresses in unusual way, or has a different skin colour.
So you don't live in London and haven't been there for many years.No, unless you're saying things are getting better under the Tories?
What I'm saying is what you see with your eyes, articles and reports, plus what people tell you and for a lot of things the police don't get involved.
So things may look stable in thr number of reported crimes but could be rising.
Anyone can fiddle with the figures.
As I thought, but I thought I'd let it play out, absolute nonsense from someone who hasn't read properly.So you don't live in London and haven't been there for many years.
When you say 'what you see with your eyes' I assume that you mean stuff that you have seen on the internet.
To put it kindly, IMO you are constructing a narrative against the Muslim mayor of London based on agenda driven crap that you read online. You are doing it again in the message above where you suggest that crime is rising because people do not report crimes - what evidence do you have of this. It is pure speculation.
What I mean by that is you can get some graph that shows Shoplifting is falling, but it's based on reported crimes and in many places people don't bother to report things now, as nothing happens, so unless stats match reality in certain areas, I'd be a little skeptical especially before and election.On a UK wide scale I'm not sure I'd believe things were getting better even if the stats said so, probably just be less reported crimes of a certain type.
For e.g. "Shoplifting is down, only 10 reported cases," it's just so common no-one bothers reporting it now.
Stabbings are pretty important and a sign of lawlessness.
I hope he does get a grip of things, not just him but the government and police, need to be tougher.
I'm clearly talking generally about crime UK wide, things seem to be getting worse, not better.No, unless you're saying things are getting better under the Tories?
What I'm saying is what you see with your eyes, articles and reports, plus what people tell you and for a lot of things the police don't get involved
It’s like arguing with a pig in mud with some posters on here who just don’t want to seem to accept facts anymore.As I thought, but I thought I'd let it play out, absolute nonsense from someone who hasn't read properly.
You've invented some narrative that fits in your head, clearly naming him as a Muslim as if if that's the reason. Basically inventing the racist agenda that fits in your head.
Go back and follow the reply chain.
Infact I'll put it here for you... When I replied to wiz....
What I mean by that is you can get some graph that shows Shoplifting is falling, but it's based on reported crimes and in many places people don't bother to report things now, as nothing happens, so unless stats match reality in certain areas, I'd be a little skeptical especially before and election.
He then replied and that's when I said,
I'm clearly talking generally about crime UK wide, things seem to be getting worse, not better.
I don't imagine London is any different tbh and some of the reports are certainly concerning.
But nice agenda, BTW if I do judge Khan, it'll be off his record, which many suggest isn't very good at all. That's no different to what many did recently, judging Benton who doesn't live in Blackpool South.
Poor effort
Because unless you actually live in place X you have no right to have an opinion on anything about that place.No why?
As I thought, but I thought I'd let it play out, absolute nonsense from someone who hasn't read properly.
You've invented some narrative that fits in your head, clearly naming him as a Muslim as if if that's the reason. Basically inventing the racist agenda that fits in your head.
Go back and follow the reply chain.
Infact I'll put it here for you... When I replied to wiz....
What I mean by that is you can get some graph that shows Shoplifting is falling, but it's based on reported crimes and in many places people don't bother to report things now, as nothing happens, so unless stats match reality in certain areas, I'd be a little skeptical especially before and election.
He then replied and that's when I said,
I'm clearly talking generally about crime UK wide, things seem to be getting worse, not better.
I don't imagine London is any different tbh and some of the reports are certainly concerning.
But nice agenda, BTW if I do judge Khan, it'll be off his record, which many suggest isn't very good at all. That's no different to what many did recently, judging Benton who doesn't live in Blackpool South.
Poor effort
Yep but as mentioned so many had a view on Benton who don't live in Blackpool, surely they weren't basing that off media reports etc.Because unless you actually live in place X you have no right to have an opinion on anything about that place.
Simple avftt rules JJ
So you haven't even attempted to defend the post and have been caught with your pants down making up an agenda and now seek to shift the questioning to another mayor.Why haven't you started a thread about say Andy Burnham?
There is a higher crime rate in Manchester than London and you may have actually been there.
Why do I need to live there to understand the truth?
I’ve never lived in Preston either but I know it’s a shit hole.
Already have done several times over and I keep getting the same results.Work it out for yourself.
Clever, like thatSaw this reply to a post by Susan Hall on X after she was defeated.
"UWIN some, ULEZ some"
I agree it is hard to have a decent debate. Especially with people who don't know the difference between a fact and an opinion. Or with people who spend their entire life in an echo chamber so as not to hear anything that might challenge their rigid world view.It’s like arguing with a pig in mud with some posters on here who just don’t want to seem to accept facts anymore.
I live in West Yorkshire and the crime rate is the highest of them all, but hey, let's bash London on false material.Why haven't you started a thread about say Andy Burnham?
There is a higher crime rate in Manchester than London and you may have actually been there.
Excellent choice, and if you like coffee, the best place in London is there too..Monmouth.And I fancy a trip to Borough Market on top of the usual sight seeing.
You seem to be very defensive about something JJ. I make no comment but why should that be?So you haven't even attempted to defend the post and have been caught with your pants down making up an agenda and now seek to shift the questioning to another mayor.
Did I start this thread? No.
Dear oh dear.
Borough Market is a great browse. We went before getting on Ashley's boat to CharltonTo show her more of the sights really, she’s only been once. And I fancy a trip to Borough Market on top of the usual sight seeing.
And of course, a bit of retail therapy
What are you suggesting?You seem to be very defensive about something JJ. I make no comment but why should that be?
Is there any chance that even in those semi rural areas, less air polluting cars are passing by the Ulez cameras?Don’t fall for the lies mate. The ULEZ scheme has been expanded into areas that are nothing to do with poor air quality and are bordering the countryside in places. This is being done using statistics from central London which are irrelevant.
As I stated the air quality for those travelling on the underground is at toxic levels and ten times above the recommended maximum limits.
It’s clear that this is less about caring for people and air quality and more about money grabbing.
Anyway, which are these semi rural areas even in Outer London?Is there any chance that even in those semi rural areas, less air polluting cars are passing by the Ulez cameras?
Yes it’s a stealth tax however at least it actually does improve air quality.
And the underground where thousands travel for hours every day? So a few less cars go on roads which mostly dont have poor air quality to begin with. What’s the more dangerous concern for Londoners?Is there any chance that even in those semi rural areas, less air polluting cars are passing by the Ulez cameras?
Yes it’s a stealth tax however at least it actually does improve air quality.
What a weird post. I worked in London for years. And most recently was there to be transported seamlessly from St Albans to Reading in less than 90 minutes. Including the transfer from Farringdon to Paddington. And then out to Reading. The journey back was even easier (even without the prematch optimism).Its a strange thread to be honest started by a retired bloke who doesn't live or work in London
I do work in London and i call tell you getting around the place for work has been an absolute nightmare since Khan got in
Driving? How is it worse since Khan came in? It’s been a nightmare driving down there for years.Its a strange thread to be honest started by a retired bloke who doesn't live or work in London
I do work in London and i call tell you getting around the place for work has been an absolute nightmare since Khan got in
I'd actually say that the single best thing about London is how easy it is to get about.What a weird post. I worked in London for years. And most recently was there to be transported seamlessly from St Albans to Reading in less than 90 minutes. Including the transfer from Farringdon to Paddington. And then out to Reading. The journey back was even easier (even without the prematch optimism).
If this poster struggles to get around London then he needs to go back to basics and buy an A to Z.
Anyways. The big takeaway is that Khan Nailed It!!!!!
I suppose for the Ninja Warrior type everything is a battle.I'd actually say that the single best thing about London is how easy it is to get about.
I used to live in Greenford, and it took me 1hr 20 minutes to get to Waterloo if I was lucky. Driving was even worse and that was years before ULEZWhat a weird post. I worked in London for years. And most recently was there to be transported seamlessly from St Albans to Reading in less than 90 minutes. Including the transfer from Farringdon to Paddington. And then out to Reading. The journey back was even easier (even without the prematch optimism).
If this poster struggles to get around London then he needs to go back to basics and buy an A to Z.
Anyways. The big takeaway is that Khan Nailed It!!!!!
Years before ULEZ?I used to live in Greenford, and it took me 1hr 20 minutes to get to Waterloo if I was lucky. Driving was even worse and that was years before ULEZ
More like Ken LivingstoneYears before ULEZ?
So when Boris was mayor then?
But we’re agreed.More like Ken Livingstone
I was highlighting the fact that travel in London has historically been awkward. Nothing political just logistically.But we’re agreed.
Your problems had sweet FA to do with the current mayor.
More a long-standing problem for people who insist of driving in London.
Join the queueI need therapy supporting our club
Well it’s not. As Bendit has made clear. It’s a long established problem when people insist on driving. Nothing to do with Khan.Driving? How is it worse since Khan came in? It’s been a nightmare driving down there for years.
What a weird post. I worked in London for years. And most recently was there to be transported seamlessly from St Albans to Reading in less than 90 minutes. Including the transfer from Farringdon to Paddington. And then out to Reading. The journey back was even easier (even without the prematch optimism).
If this poster struggles to get around London then he needs to go back to basics and buy an A to Z.
Anyways. The big takeaway is that Khan Nailed It!!!!!