Khan wins!!!!!

With a bigger percentage, so much for ULEZ sinking his campaign.

As an aside, if a journalist posts untrue stuff about Postal Votes before the official count, apart from being rubbish, is it actionable?
 
Doubled his margin and they call foul.

Whatever happened to, that's democracy, you lost, move on, suck it up.
 
I ** hate London, might have mentioned it, but it's always hilarious when someone the anti wokey RWNJ brigade hate wins.
 
JJpool said:

Map reveals list of fatal stabbings in London so far in 2024

Map reveals London's 24 stabbing victims from the start of 2024.
metro.co.uk

Looks like they need to get a grip.

Of course not just London, but crime is getting out of control, weak politicians, less stop and search etc.
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Crime rates have dropped for the last 4 years with London 5th out of the Metropolitan areas, but carry on reading Susan Hall's nonsense.

Yorkshire and Humber the worst, out of interest.
 
Wizaard said:
Crime rates have dropped for the last 4 years with London 5th out of the Metropolitan areas, but carry on reading Susan Hall's nonsense.

Yorkshire and Humber the worst, out of interest.
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What Susan hall nonesense?

It's a metro article that says...

"Between 2022-2023, there was a 16% increase in knife crime, with 18 teenagers being stabbed to death."
 
JJpool said:
What Susan hall nonesense?

It's a metro article that says...

"Between 2022-2023, there was a 16% increase in knife crime, with 18 teenagers being stabbed to death."
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Overall murder rate is dropping but selective stats are used to make it seem worse than it is.
 
Wizaard said:
Overall murder rate is dropping but selective stats are used to make it seem worse than it is.
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On a UK wide scale I'm not sure I'd believe things were getting better even if the stats said so, probably just be less reported crimes of a certain type.

For e.g. "Shoplifting is down, only 10 reported cases," it's just so common no-one bothers reporting it now.

Stabbings are pretty important and a sign of lawlessness.

I hope he does get a grip of things, not just him but the government and police, need to be tougher.
 
Wizaard said:
www.statista.com

England and Wales knife homicides 2023 | Statista

In 2022/23 there were 244 homicides involving a knife or other sharp instrument in England and Wales, compared with 282 in the previous reporting year.
www.statista.com www.statista.com

The figures for some perspective.
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Last 5 years or so it's up and down and all similar.

Could be luck of the draw with stabbings too, some might live and some might die. You could have even more worrying incidents but less deaths.

Either way I'm glad to see things on the up under the Tories then. 🙄
 
I just don’t know what some people are reading or who they are listening to when they say London crime isn’t increasing. 4175C4FF-C870-4E78-A05B-A2539D5B4823.png
 
basilexile said:
Is the because the Police don't go out now, other than football? Hence, it gives them more time to record crime.
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I’ve no idea I’m simply highlighting the case against those poster on here who for some strange reason keep saying London crime isn’t rising when it clearly is.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
I’ve no idea I’m simply highlighting the case against those poster on here who for some strange reason keep saying London crime isn’t rising when it clearly is.
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You said London is going to implode, which it clearly isn't. It has it's problems like any large city but they don't affect the vast majority of people's day to day lives.

We obviously want to see less violent crime but it was never an issue for me when I lived there. Pollution and air quality was something that was an issue for me on a day to day basis, I was diagnosed with asthma when I lived in London and it cleared up when I moved to Stockholm, I don't even use an inhaler anymore.

Most people I know are concerned with rising living costs, affordable rents, reliable and affordable transport and when it comes to crime it's avoiding having your phone nicked by some prick on a scooter.
 
He's won because the opposition candidate was an absolute shambles. Turn out was just 40%, he got just 43% of the turnout, less than 20% of Londoners want him as mayor. It's a damning indictment that the lib Dems and the greens got just a couple of percent of votes. 20% of the vote should not be a mandate to govern.
 
Wilburrabbit said:
Madness. Khan has screwed London over the ULEZ money making scam whilst ignoring the appalling air quality on the underground.

How they have voted him back in is baffling.
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ULEZ is interesting as it’s a clear case of putting wider societal needs above individual freedoms. The planet has been screwed by selfishness but as I understand there has been a considerable improvement in air quality in London and thus should reduce deaths and illness of people who have to endure strangers polluting their streets.
 
Wilburrabbit said:
Madness. Khan has screwed London over the ULEZ money making scam whilst ignoring the appalling air quality on the underground.

How they have voted him back in is baffling.
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"They" are an ethnically diverse, socially liberal and increasingly younger group. Not a good fit with the AVFTT cohort, so I can see why you might be baffled.

Air quality is an issue in a lot of big cities, and London is no exception. But it's not a major problem here ; we are in fact blessed with a great deal of green space, on the whole. Swings and roundabouts.

Going back to the safety issue ; as an older person who has no contact with gangs or gang culture, I feel the place is no more dangerous than anywhere else, and in central London have always felt perfectly safe.
 
JJpool said:
On a UK wide scale I'm not sure I'd believe things were getting better even if the stats said so, probably just be less reported crimes of a certain type.

For e.g. "Shoplifting is down, only 10 reported cases," it's just so common no-one bothers reporting it now.

Stabbings are pretty important and a sign of lawlessness.

I hope he does get a grip of things, not just him but the government and police, need to be tougher.
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Ah, the old stats are wrong because they don't support my perception😉🤣
 
Agree with the Icon. Whilst air quality has improved, its not really a problem.
The ULEZ extension was introduced to help fund the new Silvertown tunnel at Greenwich
 
Cuthbert said:
ULEZ is interesting as it’s a clear case of putting wider societal needs above individual freedoms. The planet has been screwed by selfishness but as I understand there has been a considerable improvement in air quality in London and thus should reduce deaths and illness of people who have to endure strangers polluting their streets.
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Don’t fall for the lies mate. The ULEZ scheme has been expanded into areas that are nothing to do with poor air quality and are bordering the countryside in places. This is being done using statistics from central London which are irrelevant.

As I stated the air quality for those travelling on the underground is at toxic levels and ten times above the recommended maximum limits.

It’s clear that this is less about caring for people and air quality and more about money grabbing.
 
As a female heading to London in August with my granddaughter for a few nights I have no safety concerns or fear at all.

As with most places, knife crimes tend to be gang or group orientated.

Random crimes on innocent bystanders tend to be more related to mental health issues, and as we know, location has no bearing on those.
 
Hertsseasider said:
Agree with the Icon. Whilst air quality has improved, its not really a problem.
The ULEZ extension was introduced to help fund the new Silvertown tunnel at Greenwich
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I assume it lands on the north side in. Silvertown? My wife’s family are from there but we rarely head south
 
Costero Poderoso said:
He's won because the opposition candidate was an absolute shambles. Turn out was just 40%, he got just 43% of the turnout, less than 20% of Londoners want him as mayor. It's a damning indictment that the lib Dems and the greens got just a couple of percent of votes. 20% of the vote should not be a mandate to govern.
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I get your point Costero but short of introducing compulsory voting what can you do? Labour won the majority of borough elections and Khan won a healthy majority over 2nd place. Even if you look to PR I suspect, on this occasion, Khan would have won it.

For what it's worth - and I've said this on here before - I believe there should be compulsory voting but only with the inclusion of a 'none of the above' option on the ballot paper.
 
Wilburrabbit said:
Don’t fall for the lies mate. The ULEZ scheme has been expanded into areas that are nothing to do with poor air quality and are bordering the countryside in places. This is being done using statistics from central London which are irrelevant.

As I stated the air quality for those travelling on the underground is at toxic levels and ten times above the recommended maximum limits.

It’s clear that this is less about caring for people and air quality and more about money grabbing.
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And yet, whilst Khan didn't gain a majority of the votes in outlying boroughs, his vote still held up. The consensus is that ULEZ didn't play heavily against him.
 
Lala said:
As a female heading to London in August with my granddaughter for a few nights I have no safety concerns or fear at all.

As with most places, knife crimes tend to be gang or group orientated.

Random crimes on innocent bystanders tend to be more related to mental health issues, and as we know, location has no bearing on those.
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Taking in a show or just a mooch around?
 
1966_and_all_that said:
And yet, whilst Khan didn't gain a majority of the votes in outlying boroughs, his vote still held up. The consensus is that ULEZ didn't play heavily against him.
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More likely that the hatred for the Tories prevented people from coming out to vote for the only viable alternative
 
1966_and_all_that said:
I get your point Costero but short of introducing compulsory voting what can you do? Labour won the majority of borough elections and Khan won a healthy majority over 2nd place. Even if you look to PR I suspect, on this occasion, Khan would have won it.

For what it's worth - and I've said this on here before - I believe there should be compulsory voting but only with the inclusion of a 'none of the above' option on the ballot paper.
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I think we've had this discussion before, even if you have compulsory voting with none of the above there still isn't a mechanism to take account of a majority none of the above vote, which is what has happened in London (and many other other elections(and Brexit)) other than re-running the election. My personal point of view is a lottery similar to jury service, a random person is picked and they serve a fixed term, when the next election comes round they can be on the ballot. It requires that election finance is reformed as well. The whole system is so broken that something radical needs to be done.
 
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