I See the French.........

The contract the EU has with AZ will be delivered against not what they try to bully them into doing, and lets not forget the childish shitstorm that the EU, Germans and French kicked up when they threw their toys out of the pram and spat their dummies out. Any spare surplus the UK has will be committed to the covax programme.
 
southshorepool said:
Regardless of the absolute balls up that the EU made over their vaccine procurement and distribution, you lot do understand that it is in UK's interests for all Europe (and the ROW) to be vaccinated as soon as possible?
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I'm not sure about that SSP. Not sure at all.
 
southshorepool said:
Regardless of the absolute balls up that the EU made over their vaccine procurement and distribution, you lot do understand that it is in UK's interests for all Europe (and the ROW) to be vaccinated as soon as possible?
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I think Macron has behaved very badly over this and as a result has got a huge dollop of egg on his face. But you are correct. We need the whole world vaccinated. And that's something Macron obviously didn't understand when he started playing stupid, childish politics.
 
southshorepool said:
Regardless of the absolute balls up that the EU made over their vaccine procurement and distribution, you lot do understand that it is in UK's interests for all Europe (and the ROW) to be vaccinated as soon as possible?
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Presumably we could decide which countries we give/sell our surplus stocks to, be it in the EU or ROW; Ireland first, then perhaps Portugal, then maybe Belgium & Holland, then perhaps some of the Eastern European countries.........................
 
Not sure it can be described as a reversal. They always said more data was needed before approval could be granted for that age band.

The situation today is that the data now available from the rollout phase dwarfs that which was previously available for those age groups from just the test phases.
 
Macron was irresponsible and made a fool of himself but can now redeem himself by cracking on full steam with vaccination.
 
Wizaard said:
What response is there to such xenophobic bullshit? Do you seriously think they decided not to take the vaccine because of Brexit?
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So why one minute the French say not enough testing has been done on the AZ vaccine yet today they reverse the decision?
Macron is getting so much shit off his own people for not getting the vaccine out there he’s had to now crawl under a stone with his tail between his legs.
It’s all an anti Brexit driven propaganda campaign just like the shell fish ban is but hey I wouldn’t expect you and a few others on here for one minute to see it that way so yer let’s keep supporting Europe. ☹️
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
So why one minute the French say not enough testing has been done on the AZ vaccine yet today they reverse the decision?
Macron is getting so much shit off his own people he’s had to crawl under a stone.
It’s all an anti Brexit driven propaganda campaign, but I wouldn’t expect you and a few others on here to see it that way.
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Why would the French ignore health in favour of making a Brexit point that no one admits to anyway? It simply doesn't make sense. I can understand them following initial science that had the efficacy of the AZ vaccine lower than some of the others; they've now changed their minds in the light of the live testing outcomes.

If they'd come out and said we're not taking it because of Brexit I might believe you, but they haven't.
 
Wizaard said:
Why would the French ignore health in favour of making a Brexit point that no one admits to anyway? It simply doesn't make sense. I can understand them following initial science that had the efficacy of the AZ vaccine lower than some of the others; they've now changed their minds in the light of the live testing outcomes.

If they'd come out and said we're not taking it because of Brexit I might believe you, but they haven't.
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Changed their minds. 😂
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
Not sure it can be described as a reversal. They always said more data was needed before approval could be granted for that age band.

The situation today is that the data now available from the rollout phase dwarfs that which was previously available for those age groups from just the test phases.
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"The real problem on AstraZeneca is that it doesn’t work the way we were expecting it to," Macron told a group of reporters, in Paris. "We’re waiting for the EMA [European Medicines Agency] results, but today everything points to thinking it is quasi-ineffective on people older than 65, some say those 60 years or older."

Amongst a lot of really immature and student politicking post Brexit, that phrase above all others, was about damaging the UK.

If I was Le-Pen, I'd just keep putting it on repeat.

The reality is, it is working exactly how our scientists expected it to.
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
Not sure it can be described as a reversal. They always said more data was needed before approval could be granted for that age band.

The situation today is that the data now available from the rollout phase dwarfs that which was previously available for those age groups from just the test phases.
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How many died while they fucked about ? If Boris had done the same the faux outrage on here would be off the scale. Just admit they fucked up and move on.
 
I can picture the OP on here “UK breaks ranks with rest of EU over A/Z vaccine risking yet more UK lives” “BJ ignores scientific advice....profit first, lyingTory scum... etc”. Fortunately the government seem to have got something right.. at last!
 
Wizaard said:
Why would the French ignore health in favour of making a Brexit point that no one admits to anyway? It simply doesn't make sense. I can understand them following initial science that had the efficacy of the AZ vaccine lower than some of the others; they've now changed their minds in the light of the live testing outcomes.

If they'd come out and said we're not taking it because of Brexit I might believe you, but they haven't.
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It was a political point. Same as interfering with the Northern Ireland Protocol. Nothing at all to do with coronavirus. Haven't you learned by now? Lives don't matter when it comes to punishing the UK
 
Tangojoe said:
It was a political point. Same as interfering with the Northern Ireland Protocol. Nothing at all to do with coronavirus. Haven't you learned by now? Lives don't matter when it comes to punishing the UK
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How is it punishing the UK?
 
TangerineBayern said:
The contract the EU has with AZ will be delivered against not what they try to bully them into doing, and lets not forget the childish shitstorm that the EU, Germans and French kicked up when they threw their toys out of the pram and spat their dummies out. Any spare surplus the UK has will be committed to the covax programme.
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I think you’ll find that AZ haven’t delivered against their contract with the EU yet. In addition, two of the plants that manufacture this vaccine are located in the EU.
 
Our friends in France had their 2nd vaccine jab today.
I had my first long before they did, but haven't had my 2nd yet. 🙄
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
Not sure it can be described as a reversal. They always said more data was needed before approval could be granted for that age band.
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A decision that I think could reasonably be described as excessively cautious in the circumstances, to what extent that was due to the negative publicity coming out of the EC and beyond I'll leave others to judge.

The bigger problem is that regardless of the evidence the impression has been created that it doesn't work or is somehow inferior and thus take up will still remain low.
 
The French tried to push their own vaccine onto the EU countries and at the same time, discredit the AZ/Oxford vaccine.
Stuff them.
I’d sell the U.K. surplus to whoever we want to get trade deals with, on a non-profit basis. Use it as a sweetener. Other more vulnerable countries get vaccinated. Win win imo
 
Tangojoe said:
How is criticising the UK's vaccine rollout and interfering with the NI Protocol punishing the UK? 😆
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How is criticising the vaccine punishing the UK? Seriously. We're doing our thing and they can do what they want without impact on us.

As for the NI protocol, is it fine for the UK to scrap it as Boris was proposing?
 
Governments make bad decisions all the time, sometimes they are British sometimes they are French, they could be anywhere. As long as the original decision was made for the right reasons then mistakes are forgivable.
Am I meant to hate all French people now to be a true British patriot or would just hating Macron and his government be enough?
 
gjr69 said:
Governments make bad decisions all the time, sometimes they are British sometimes they are French, they could be anywhere. As long as the original decision was made for the right reasons then mistakes are forgivable.
Am I meant to hate all French people now to be a true British patriot or would just hating Macron and his government be enough?
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No need to HATE anyone. Too strong a word.
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
Not sure it can be described as a reversal. They always said more data was needed before approval could be granted for that age band.

The situation today is that the data now available from the rollout phase dwarfs that which was previously available for those age groups from just the test phases.
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No. Absolutely no. Macron made himself look a complete fool trying to score political points. Stop trying to defend the indefensible.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
So why one minute the French say not enough testing has been done on the AZ vaccine yet today they reverse the decision?
Macron is getting so much shit off his own people for not getting the vaccine out there he’s had to now crawl under a stone with his tail between his legs.
It’s all an anti Brexit driven propaganda campaign just like the shell fish ban is but hey I wouldn’t expect you and a few others on here for one minute to see it that way so yer let’s keep supporting Europe. ☹️
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I don't know why you are so divisive along the lines of nationality, in your own post you say that the French people are giving Macron shit!
Maybe if we looked at the world in terms of most people are good and most governments are self serving, dishonest or incompetent, maybe all 3! Then we the people would all be in a better place.
 
gjr69 said:
I don't know why you are so divisive along the lines of nationality, in your own post you say that the French people are giving Macron shit!
Maybe if we looked at the world in terms of most people are good and most governments are self serving, dishonest or incompetent, maybe all 3! Then we the people would all be in a better place.
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I doubt it gjr. Simply because we'd still be ruled by the same self serving, dishonest and incompetent governments. ☹️
 
RUSTY_2_STANDS said:
I doubt it gjr. Simply because we'd still be ruled by the same self serving, dishonest and incompetent governments. ☹️
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Fair point Rusty but when governments start using nationalism it generally doesn't go well! My idea of patriotism would be confined to events like the world cup, the Olympics even Eurovision, I'd probably kick organised religion into touch as well but I'm starting to sound like John Lennon!!
 
Wizaard said:
How is criticising the vaccine punishing the UK? Seriously. We're doing our thing and they can do what they want without impact on us.

As for the NI protocol, is it fine for the UK to scrap it as Boris was proposing?
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But they did it didn't they.

And, although I hate the fact that 3 governments are being held to ransom by a group of thugs that think blowing up children in acceptable response to having a border on an island; messing with the protocol should be a place of last resort.
 
I think it is mildly amusing that all those who think the Government should not supply to any old Tom Dick or Pierre are from the party of Capitalism and Private Enterprise. Newsflash, it is absolutely nothing to do with the Government, Astra Zeneca is a PLC which will make its own decisions. Maybe they'd like to nationalise it, and the WE can decide who gets OUR vaccine?
 
gjr69 said:
Governments make bad decisions all the time, sometimes they are British sometimes they are French, they could be anywhere. As long as the original decision was made for the right reasons then mistakes are forgivable.
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Hard to see how the original decision could ever be described as "made for the right reasons".

The EC totally screwed up their vaccine acquisition programme then tried to scapegoat AZ when the scale of their foul up became apparent, Macron waded in with a few kicks of his own to cover his own back, the furore spread across Europe and meant that most of the vaccine supplies they did get ended up being wasted on low priority groups or not used at all and to cap it all the company that was making the vaccine available at cost ended up having their name dragged through the dirt to save the worthless skins of a gaggle of Eurocrats.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Hard to see how the original decision could ever be described as "made for the right reasons".

The EC totally screwed up their vaccine acquisition programme then tried to scapegoat AZ when the scale of their foul up became apparent, Macron waded in with a few kicks of his own to cover his own back, the furore spread across Europe and meant that most of the vaccine supplies they did get ended up being wasted on low priority groups or not used at all and to cap it all the company that was making the vaccine available at cost ended up having their name dragged through the dirt to save the worthless skins of a gaggle of Eurocrats.
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If you are right then that is an example of a mistake that is unforgivable. So the good people of France will no doubt let Macron know what they think of him at the next election.
Big mistake on his part because as we know in the UK if you get the vaccinations right a multitude of sins will probably be quickly forgotten by the people.
 
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