How would you rate Sadler so far?

JJpool

JJpool

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So this is the question.

I think it's almost a bit unfair to rate him in one rating as I don't want to give him many mark's down really as he's improving the club continuously and it seems set to go on and on.

However the choice of Grayson, whilst it may have worked, the feelgood factor and his previous spell here could have made it successful but it just didn't pan out that way.

Ultimately that managerial appointment had to be right and match what he himself wanted, in attacking exciting football, to draw the crowds back regularly.

Therefore I think it's a mistake and given it's the football side it's absolutely key.

He's clearly doing exactly what he said he'd do, incremental improvements and over time real change. The investment and improvements to the club, squad are there for all to see. But I do think that 1 mistake was costly. He was getting in a manager with real experience and it was a choice made out of good intentions but it just didnt match his or the crowds needs and also maybe didn't take into account the recent record of Grayson.

I'd rate him 10/10 for improving the club.

On the football side hes invested in the squad so very good there, but the managerial decision put him at and 9/10. I'm not going to knock him down much even if it was a key decision, these things happen, he's one of our own and we all want the same thing.

So 9.5/10 overall and he did act quickly in getting rid to rectify the mistake.

Another huge decision coming up and whilst he may have delegated to Ben Mansford you can be sure the decision runs past him.

This one has to be right.
 
I honestly think it could have gone the complete opposite way with Grayson. A new start at a club he knew and a mandate to attack and take risks. Unfortunately he went into himself, started playing it safe and making his position unsafe as a result.

An ambitious, enthusiastic manager with a recent track record of winning matches will do for me. It’s league one not Serie A FFS!
 
JJpool said:
So this is the question.

I think it's almost a bit unfair to rate him in one rating as I don't want to give him many mark's down really as he's improving the club continuously and it seems set to go on and on.

However the choice of Grayson, whilst it may have worked, the feelgood factor and his previous spell here could have made it successful but it just didn't pan out that way.

Ultimately that managerial appointment had to be right and match what he himself wanted, in attacking exciting football, to draw the crowds back regularly.

Therefore I think it's a mistake and given it's the football side it's absolutely key.

He's clearly doing exactly what he said he'd do, incremental improvements and over time real change. The investment and improvements to the club, squad are there for all to see. But I do think that 1 mistake was costly. He was getting in a manager with real experience and it was a choice made out of good intentions but it just didnt match his or the crowds needs and also maybe didn't take into account the recent record of Grayson.

I'd rate him 10/10 for improving the club.

On the football side hes invested in the squad so very good there, but the managerial decision put him at and 9/10. I'm not going to knock him down much even if it was a key decision, these things happen, he's one of our own and we all want the same thing.

So 9.5/10 overall and he did act quickly in getting rid to rectify the mistake.

Another huge decision coming up and whilst he may have delegated to Ben Mansford you can be sure the decision runs past him.

This one has to be right.
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9.5.

My only reservation is that he may have allowed himself to be pressured into a decision that was unwise.

Removing a manager has two elements.

The removal bit is easy.

The replacement bit - assuming you want to end up in a better place - is much harder.

In fairness none of us have a crystal ball. But the wisdom of his decision MAY become clearer in the next few months. But then again it may not. As there’ll always be the “but if we had kept Grayson we’d have been in a worse position”.
 
I am not going to mark him. I think he has been a breath of fresh air. It is refreshing to have an owner who cares. Off the pitch the club is working tirelessly to improve and is improving. Didn't work out with Grayson, that's football sometimes. Yes on pitch been disappointing, but now he is taking the time to find the next manager to put it right. I hope he succeededs. I trust Sadler 100%
 
Fatboy said:
And how are you qualified to rate a multi millionaire saviour of a local football club ?
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Were all fans and we pay our money and this is a message board. It's a bit of fun and seeing what people think.

Hes new to football ownership and is doing great things compared to what were used to, but doesn't mean a mistake wasn't made. But that also doesn't mean anyone is having a go, there will be some learning on the job.

I'm delighted to have him and long my it continue but we can still assess decisions made.

So to you if a mistake is made we shouldn't discuss it and we cant have an opinion because were not multi millionaires running football clubs?

I clearly said in the post hes doing great, with hindsight we look back at the decision for Grayson but he was a guy who gets teams up. But the incompatibility of the attacking football never seemed like he was the man. He also isnt an inspirational manager to inspire players or fans so I think the fact Sadler got rid showed it was a mistake, one that he promptly put right.
 
clappers said:
So do I. He’s one of us.....just infinitesimally richer than all of us put together 😂 👍
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Definitely so. I am sure though if we had his money many of us would buy BFC. I dreamed of playing for Blackpool but was never anywhere near good enough. Owning the club was also a dream and next best thing.
 
Do we reckon that hair was stuck to his hat with Evostick or real?? Can anyone verify who attended the trial??
 
Well his surname isn't Oyston, so that's a great start...

I think he's done a brilliant job. We are much more professional off the pitch and have made a real effort to engage with fans rather than ruin them. His appointment of Grayson, although it didn't work out, was based on sound reasoning and he has brought plenty of players in.

He's new to club ownership and he will no doubt make mistakes along the way. I've no doubt though that every decision will be taken with the best interests of the club at heart.
 
One thing to add is despite best intentions and doing a great job no one is perfect and the choice made didn't work out.

If the question was has Sadler got every decision right, what would the answer be? If no then marking down slightly is correct surely.

jack_bfc said:
Its a stupid ** question😞

Short memories:

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Hows it short memories? No one is suggesting anything here other than hows he done so far and assessing decisions made. 🙄
 
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RossendaleSeasider said:
Well his surname isn't Oyston, so that's a great start...

I think he's done a brilliant job. We are much more professional off the pitch and have made a real effort to engage with fans rather than ruin them. His appointment of Grayson, although it didn't work out, was based on sound reasoning and he has brought plenty of players in.

He's new to club ownership and he will no doubt make mistakes along the way. I've no doubt though that every decision will be taken with the best interests of the club at heart.
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It was fairly sound.

The only issues with it being that fans were lukewarm only about Grayson coming back because of the way he left, managing PNE and over celebrating.

Then add the fact he didnt really fit the bill of attacking football and you have to say it was the wrong choice given that requirement.

As said though the man is on a mission and is determined to get Pool back to the championship and all decisions are made with best interests at heart and were all right behind him.

This thread is just to assess the decisions.
 
JJpool said:
It was fairly sound.

The only issues with it being that fans were lukewarm only about Grayson coming back because of the way he left, managing PNE and over celebrating.

Then add the fact he didnt really fit the bill of attacking football and you have to say it was the wrong choice given that requirement.

As said though the man is on a mission and is determined to get Pool back to the championship and all decisions are made with best interests at heart and were all right behind him.

This thread is just to assess the decisions.
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How many appointments & pottings has Ambramovich made, think he's done a pretty good job for the Chelski lot, hiring a dud happens to all Chairmans, not a mistake in my eyes, just one of those things that happen, bet the next incumbent will have more success
 
Nobody is ever going to get every decision right first time.

I stand by the statement.

Its a stupid ** question.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
9.5.

My only reservation is that he may have allowed himself to be pressured into a decision that was unwise.

Removing a manager has two elements.

The removal bit is easy.

The replacement bit - assuming you want to end up in a better place - is much harder.

In fairness none of us have a crystal ball. But the wisdom of his decision MAY become clearer in the next few months. But then again it may not. As there’ll always be the “but if we had kept Grayson we’d have been in a worse position”.
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We dont know if he was pressured as such. But the crowds were dwindling and the football wasn't as he hoped. Add to that maybe he just thought it's not going how we expected and best to remove him asap to try and bring back the feel good factor before it vanished completely.

So in a way the pressure of lack of people turning up may be a factor yes but that's as a result of the performances, responsible to the manager.

Or maybe the manager lumping all blame on the players, old and new, tipped him over the edge as he was only going to lose them doing that.
 
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10/10
Anything worth doing takes time. He’s delivered on his promises by investing in the club, the team and making ground improvements such as the TV screens, bottle bars and club shop.
We would all do well to remember that investment doesn’t guarantee success on the field. It helps, and gives us one less thing to be critical of, but there’s no crystal ball and hindsight is 20/20! If our chairman respects the club, the fans and backs the manager thats all we can ask for.
 
jack_bfc said:
Nobody is ever going to get every decision right first time.

I stand by the statement.

Its a stupid ** question.
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I dont think it is, as if we hired a manager who was attacking and played exciting stuff and it didn't work out you could say well not a lot you can do.

But this seemed somewhat incompatible from the start.

If it was a mistake as you admit what's wrong with pointing it out as such. Hes rectified it quickly but surely making it would bring a score of of 10 down as silly as it may be. The managerial choice has led to less revenue and a stalling of the rebuilding of the fanbase.

Were allowed to cast opinion over the choices made and the impacts they have.

As said the guy is BFC through and through but had the 'right' choice been made we could have been doing much better.

I hope hes here for many many years, hes only just getting started and we start now by getting that manager who gets us that football we all want to see.
 
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I must admit to being happy with Simon Graysons appointment & probably would have stuck with him at least until the end of the season, however I was disappointed with his apparent lack of outward enthusiasm & lopsided team selection/system changes etc, we don't know exactly what was going on behind the scenes, anyway that's history. All in all I think Simon Sadler is on a steep learning curve & is doing a great job in restructuring the non existent infrastructure of our football club. Personally I would choose Ian Evatt to be our new manager from what I've heard about him.
 
Sooty59 said:
I must admit to being happy with Simon Graysons appointment & probably would have stuck with him at least until the end of the season, however I was disappointed with his apparent lack of outward enthusiasm & lopsided team selection/system changes etc, we don't know exactly what was going on behind the scenes, anyway that's history. All in all I think Simon Sadler is on a steep learning curve & is doing a great job in restructuring the non existent infrastructure of our football club. Personally I would choose Ian Evatt to be our new manager from what I've heard about him.
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I myself was thinking until the end of Feb but I did say the time theres no point keeping him if hes going anyway at the end of the season or in weeks. May as well get rid and lift the gloom and give a new inspiring manager a free run this season to bed in, as were not going up or down.

Evatt is my choice too but hearing he wasn't considering or ruled out was to me a little concerning. Now if true was that from the very top or was it Mansford?

As for Sadler he will indeed be on a learning curve but as transfer windows in the past have shown, it's very easy to cock them up and miss targets if the owner is stingy and doesn't pay agents etc.

In this respect Sadler has made a flying start and smashed the Jan window as weve never seen before. To get that amount of targets in shows the intent and ability to actually get stuff done, credit to Ben Mansford and co there too.

Hes also made some good improvements at the stadium with more to follow.

It was just the football decisions and seeing what people thought of them. Ben Mansford seems a decent choice although some saying about the manager recruitment process and Sadler has not been impressed with it according to rektseasider.

I really hope its Evatt as that would get us right back on track with feelgood factor, crowds and on the right path football wise.
 
Rather too soon to judge. Lets see where we are in another 2 years. If we are still in league 1,then he's been a failure on the footballing side. Hope he invests in the stadium big time to balance things out.
 
Off the pitch & behind the scenes activity - 10.
Player recruitment- really backed Grayson in that last transfer window.
Choice of manager - see who he brings in, but Larry was a disaster and recent suggestions (Evo & Jones aside) have been terrifying.
 
The club has made huge strides forward. The only question mark I have is the scattergun transfer policy 12 signings in Jan was exciting for fans but ultimately 3/4/5 quality players would have made a greater impact.
 
He’s done fine so far. A few missteps, in hindsight, but given the amount he’s had to do and the mess he’s inherited, what do you expect?

Owners should be judged over five, ten years +. They’re not responsible for every missed chance or cold pie.
 
JJpool said:
Were all fans and we pay our money and this is a message board. It's a bit of fun and seeing what people think.

Hes new to football ownership and is doing great things compared to what were used to, but doesn't mean a mistake wasn't made. But that also doesn't mean anyone is having a go, there will be some learning on the job.

I'm delighted to have him and long my it continue but we can still assess decisions made.

So to you if a mistake is made we shouldn't discuss it and we cant have an opinion because were not multi millionaires running football clubs?

I clearly said in the post hes doing great, with hindsight we look back at the decision for Grayson but he was a guy who gets teams up. But the incompatibility of the attacking football never seemed like he was the man. He also isnt an inspirational manager to inspire players or fans so I think the fact Sadler got rid showed it was a mistake, one that he promptly put right.
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Discussion is one thing , but marking someone out of 10 for a job they are doing is another. I respect people’s opinions, even if I don’t agree with them , I also like a good debate , but I do not judge people on what they’re doing if I’m not qualified to do so .
 
Fatboy said:
Discussion is one thing , but marking someone out of 10 for a job they are doing is another. I respect people’s opinions, even if I don’t agree with them , I also like a good debate , but I do not judge people on what they’re doing if I’m not qualified to do so .
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So I presume you didnt judge Grayson afterall your not a professional footballer or a manager? I did a thread on the old site where people marked him our of 10 for how he was doing. Everything Grayson did he did with the best intentions too but it didnt work out for him.

Plus to add I think I've been very complementary about him in this thread, if I was a brand new to football chairman I'd be pretty happy with 9.5/10. Especially considering the first major footballing decision seems to have gone wrong. A lot have said this was his first mistake all I did was rate the decision made, which when you look at what he wanted didnt really fit the bill.

But as I said hopefully we'll get the right man in now.
 
SS has saved BFC and is getting on with business - Rome wasn't build in a day! The lack of appropriate communication with the fans, in respect of appointing a new manager, is a slight hic-up, which hopefully will soon be addressed.
 
JJpool said:
So I presume you didnt judge Grayson afterall your not a professional footballer or a manager? I did a thread on the old site where people marked him our of 10 for how he was doing. Everything Grayson did he did with the best intentions too but it didnt work out for him.

Plus to add I think I've been very complementary about him in this thread, if I was a brand new to football chairman I'd be pretty happy with 9.5/10. Especially considering the first major footballing decision seems to have gone wrong. A lot have said this was his first mistake all I did was rate the decision made, which when you look at what he wanted didnt really fit the bill.

But as I said hopefully we'll get the right man in now.
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Your right , I didn’t judge Grayson, but I didn’t agree with all his team selections.
 
I don't think it is a stupid question. But I also think it is unanswerable.

The obvious question that comes to mind is "rated, as against what?" The Oystons? Andy Holt? A blueprint or benchmark that doesn't exist?

The only thing you can measure him against is your expectations of what he could or should have achieved by now. And I have to say, for the vast majority of us those expectations are formed entirely in the dark. Most people have no idea of the range or scale of issues that he and his team are facing, or how difficult a challenge they offer.

It's an entertaining question to prompt a bit of gossip. But essentially meaningless and a bit pointless. Sorry.
 
Fatboy said:
Your right , I didn’t judge Grayson, but I didn’t agree with all his team selections.
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Well that's effectively judging him isn't it. Your basically saying I think we'd be better playing X. But your not qualified as a manager or know the ins and outs of training so why were you qualified to make this judgement?

Because were fans that's why and we can all have opinions.

basilrobbie said:
I don't think it is a stupid question. But I also think it is unanswerable.

The obvious question that comes to mind is "rated, as against what?" The Oystons? Andy Holt? A blueprint or benchmark that doesn't exist?

The only thing you can measure him against is your expectations of what he could or should have achieved by now. And I have to say, for the vast majority of us those expectations are formed entirely in the dark. Most people have no idea of the range or scale of issues that he and his team are facing, or how difficult a challenge they offer.

It's an entertaining question to prompt a bit of gossip. But essentially meaningless and a bit pointless. Sorry.
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It was indeed just a general point for debate, how do we think hes doing. An entertaining question to prompt a bit of gossip as you say, which is what a lot of posts on here are.

The only mistake he seems to have made, albeit with hindsight, is the choice of Grayson. However as mentioned looking back, with the remit of entertaining football he never seemed like he was the man for it.

It's obviously not even worth comparing him with the Oystons as its night and day difference.

We probably are behind where most thought we would be but some did have high expectations. I dont think anyone thought we would go on such a bad run after the investment in the squad. Had the managerial appointment worked out I'm sure crowds and revenue would be bigger too.

But as said above no one is blaming anyone, it's a learning curve for SS and us. We move on and hope the next manager does better and also is someone a bit more inspirational. But you would expect the next one fits the bill of the brand of football he is after.
 
I award him 9.9999~ recurring. I withhold the infinitesimal decimal because nobody's perfect and we haven't got heated seats yet. 🙂
 
10 out of 10 for me.
We have a fan owning our club. SS will be as eager as all of us to appoint the right manager and start climbing up the leagues.
Cant get any better as far as I am concerned.
How many other clubs are owned by a fan? Most fans of league clubs will be envious of us I think.
 
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