Brexit Oven Ready Deal burnt to a crisp

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Ollygon

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But then what would you expect from this lying, incompetent rabble of a government.

They were always after a "No Deal" Brexit- and that's the way it's going.

Still, we'll have fantastic new trade deals with Upper Volta, Paraguay and Fiji so there won't be any impact on the economy- oh other than a few million more unemployed.

When Trump was referring to Suckers and Losers he was really thinking about Brexit voters.

I'll be ok, but the morons who voted for Johnson have only themselves to blame. Enjoy your Universal Credit!
 
Johnson apparantly said today that 'No deal is a good deal'. What was billed as the 'easiest deal in the world' is proving rather difficult to make. The issue all along is that we cannot have the benefits of being a member of the club unless we are actually a member of the club. Johnson is so entitled that he cannot seem to grasp this - his own father had to remind him of this reality the other day.
He now wants to pass legislation to nullify the agreement he signed with the EU only a few months ago. The legislation would allow free movement of goods and services between the mainland and NI. This will in all probability lead to a hard border in NI and the possibility of a return to violence as the Good Friday agreement would be violated by this. What a mess!

And just to remind you this is what he said after the referendum in 2016;

British people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live; to travel; to study; to buy homes and to settle down. As the German equivalent of the CBI – the BDI – has very sensibly reminded us, there will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market.
 
Ollygon said:
But then what would you expect from this lying, incompetent rabble of a government.

They were always after a "No Deal" Brexit- and that's the way it's going.

Still, we'll have fantastic new trade deals with Upper Volta, Paraguay and Fiji so there won't be any impact on the economy- oh other than a few million more unemployed.

When Trump was referring to Suckers and Losers he was really thinking about Brexit voters.

I'll be ok, but the morons who voted for Johnson have only themselves to blame. Enjoy your Universal Credit!
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Are you catinstalbans in disguise 😜
 
Ollygon said:
But then what would you expect from this lying, incompetent rabble of a government.

They were always after a "No Deal" Brexit- and that's the way it's going.

Still, we'll have fantastic new trade deals with Upper Volta, Paraguay and Fiji so there won't be any impact on the economy- oh other than a few million more unemployed.

When Trump was referring to Suckers and Losers he was really thinking about Brexit voters.

I'll be ok, but the morons who voted for Johnson have only themselves to blame. Enjoy your Universal Credit!
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Yep, wish I`d been able to put a £1 on Johnson`s "million to one against no deal."

Of course it is now coded as the "Australian-type deal", hoping we are not paying attention to detail.

Perfidious by nature, Johnson is now sullying the integrity of the country by back-tracking on signed agreements.

Looks like the `blame game` is about to begin in earnest...
 
Any deal takes 2 to tango and the EU have clearly been obstructive as possible trying to protect their empire and retain us as vassal state. I see we have the ridulous situation where some there are arguing that fish inside British waters will still be theirs. On the same basis can the UK have the wine from the French vineyards! I have read that Barnier may be sidelined by the Leaders to break the log jam
 
The EU are being unrealistic as usual. They are used to getting their own way, pushing through ridiculous policy and rules. They brushed aside the weak Theresa May like she was nothing. I’d rather we left on a no deal than sign up to a terrible May-esq deal which ties us in for decades. Leave, then arrange deals when the inevitable clamour comes from the likes of Germany who stand to lose so much as well. The EU are terrified we will actually do quite well of out their grasp and would like to set an example to prevent other countries leaving. You can’t negotiate in that environment. It’s not a reasonable expectation.
 
bfcpete said:
Any deal takes 2 to tango and the EU have clearly been obstructive as possible trying to protect their empire and retain us as vassal state. I see we have the ridulous situation where some there are arguing that fish inside British waters will still be theirs. On the same basis can the UK have the wine from the French vineyards! I have read that Barnier may be sidelined by the Leaders to break the log jam
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The EU are asking Johnson to adhere to the agreement that he himself signed a few months ago. If we would do that we could have a deal tomorrow. This was the oven ready Brexit that we all heard do much about, which was essentially the same deal that May negotiated.
Why won't Johnson adhere to his own agreement?
 
Just think they could of saved trillions by now...£350million per week for “what feels like decades”..😎...
All the poloticians will have there gold plated pensions intact i’m sure....
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
The EU are asking Johnson to adhere to the agreement that he himself signed a few months ago. If we would do that we could have a deal tomorrow. This was the oven ready Brexit that we all heard do much about, which was essentially the same deal that May negotiated.
Why won't Johnson adhere to his own agreement?
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As far as I’m aware, the Boris deal was very similar to the May deal. Ultimately it was all a bit shite * and he’s probably become more aware over time or has been advised he could/should expect more.


* By shite, I mean worse on most counts and we’d have been better staying in the EU. Not the sort of deal most Brexiteers would ever forgive the Tories for signing.
 
tangerine_neil said:
As far as I’m aware, the Boris deal was very similar to the May deal. Ultimately it was all a bit shite * and he’s probably become more aware over time or has been advised he could/should expect more.


* By shite, I mean worse on most counts and we’d have been better staying in the EU. Not the sort of deal most Brexiteers would ever forgive the Tories for signing.
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Why did Johnson sign the 'oven ready' deal then if it was so bad?
He is either completely incompetent or completely dishonest.
 
bfcpete said:
Perhaps because he signed up before he got a wacking big majority in the election last year and the landscape has changed ?
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This is not really about domestic politics, it is about our reputation as a country on the international stage. If we do not honour existing agreements with other nations, other countries may not want to enter into future agreements with us. This is of course at a time when we are trying to forge trade deals which we badly need.
 
With his 80-seat majority, Bozo probably feels he can play fast and loose without any risk of parliamentary challenge. It’s just what he does... he can’t be trusted as he makes it up as he goes along.
 
bfcpete said:
Any deal takes 2 to tango and the EU have clearly been obstructive as possible trying to protect their empire and retain us as vassal state. I see we have the ridulous situation where some there are arguing that fish inside British waters will still be theirs. On the same basis can the UK have the wine from the French vineyards! I have read that Barnier may be sidelined by the Leaders to break the log jam
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Been obstructive? We decided to leave a rules based club.
bfcpete said:
Perhaps because he signed up before he got a wacking big majority in the election last year and the landscape has changed ?
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He was elected on his promise of an oven ready deal. I'm bored of brexiteer BS it's beyond embarrassing
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
This is not really about domestic politics, it is about our reputation as a country on the international stage. If we do not honour existing agreements with other nations, other countries may not want to enter into future agreements with us. This is of course at a time when we are trying to forge trade deals which we badly need.
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Well ask the Canadians about honouring agreements. They have already said the EU has reneged on aspects of the trade agreement they signed. And we are not even getting offered a deal the level of of Canadians!
 
Shandypants said:
He was elected on his promise of an oven ready deal. I'm bored of brexiteer BS it's beyond embarrassing
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You're bored and embarrassed? Probably better if you keep off this site then for your own welfare while they get on with the negotiations.
 
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It's what it says about us that I find depressing. No respect for the law, still less any intention to abide by existing legal agreements with other States. How we then secure long-term trade deals based upon mutual trust is beyond me. Would you trust anyone who behaved like we are doing?

I saw an article today (by Peston) that suggested that there is a strategy of sorts - that we are determined to be in on the digital revolution and are going to try to build a high-tech economy to capitalise on it. How you do that with the products emerging from our schools is an interesting issue. How you maximise its impact with our historically abysmal productivity record is another.

Unless the Tories ditch Johnson and look for someone who actually wants to govern seriously, rather than playing the class clown, I'm not sure that they are going to be electorally credible next time around.
 
Ollygon said:
But then what would you expect from this lying, incompetent rabble of a government.

They were always after a "No Deal" Brexit- and that's the way it's going.

Still, we'll have fantastic new trade deals with Upper Volta, Paraguay and Fiji so there won't be any impact on the economy- oh other than a few million more unemployed.

When Trump was referring to Suckers and Losers he was really thinking about Brexit voters.

I'll be ok, but the morons who voted for Johnson have only themselves to blame. Enjoy your Universal Credit!
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Classic o/p direct from the liberal leftie playbook - tell those people who dare disagree with you that they are morons - a quality debating tactic that will get them to change their minds instantly 😃
 
Mexboroseasider said:
That’s not true.

The election was in December 2019.

The withdrawal agreement was signed in January 2020.
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Ah right., thanks. The agreement was also predicated on also having a trade agreement was it not? If you don't have that, then surely you have the right to change your approach?
 
Crack on Boris, the Eu have been telling us all along that it’s their way or the highway, they like telling us we can’t have our cake and eat it, but that’s what they want for themselves.

As far as changing The Brexit deal, let’s wait and see what is proposed before castigating the PM.
 
bfcpete said:
Ah right., thanks. The agreement was also predicated on also having a trade agreement was it not? If you don't have that, then surely you have the right to change your approach?
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No. The Withdrawal Agreement is legally binding and dealt with the divorce - withdrawal from the EU and the transition. As I say - this is legally binding and can’t be changed.

You may be thinking of the Political Declaration which was intended to set out a road map to the future relationship (including trade) with the EU. That was non-binding but if you’ve agreed the principles to be followed to achieve a FTA, then an honourable person would follow those principles. Even a dishonourable one would struggle to argue, well we don’t have a FTA, so I can ignore the rules I signed up to (designed to assist in achieving a FTA) and adopt a completely different approach.
 
basilrobbie said:
It's what it says about us that I find depressing. No respect for the law, still less any intention to abide by existing legal agreements with other States. How we then secure long-term trade deals based upon mutual trust is beyond me. Would you trust anyone who behaved like we are doing?

I saw an article today (by Peston) that suggested that there is a strategy of sorts - that we are determined to be in on the digital revolution and are going to try to build a high-tech economy to capitalise on it. How you do that with the products emerging from our schools is an interesting issue. How you maximise its impact with our historically abysmal productivity record is another.

Unless the Tories ditch Johnson and look for someone who actually wants to govern seriously, rather than playing the class clown, I'm not sure that they are going to be electorally credible next time around.
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Your first paragraph - exactly. When we sit down with any country now, hoping to negotiate a FTA, the first thing the other side will say is “well you had a legally binding agreement with the EU, which you decided to ignore. How we can trust you not to do the same with us?”.

Second paragraph - yep. Cummings is very keen on new Tech and AI and wants to provide massive taxpayer support for highly risky ventures that might struggle to raise investment privately. That’s why state aid is so important - not because they want to support existing U.K. industries.

Third paragraph- With Labour now level with the Tories in the latest polls, and Tory backbenchers getting twitchy over all the Covid u turns, the talk of tax rises to pay for interest free loans to business and furlough etc, changes to the planning laws threatening the shires, and Johnson’s poor performances at PMQs - I think we can expect a bit of pressure to come Dishy Rishi’s way in the form of leaks, unattributable briefings and so on.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Never read so much Lilly Livered crap in all my life... As if this minor issue would ever have the even the slightest impact on the negotiation of future trade deals.... Utterly ridiculous!!
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So you don’t think trust is important then?

Not one for “my word is my bond”?
 
Mexboroseasider said:
So you don’t think trust is important then?

Not one for “my word is my bond”?
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I don’t think it’s a matter of trust. It’s a complex negotiation and there are still unresolved issues in regard to the Irish border.

Ultimately it’s a negotiation in any case and the EU are hardly playing with a particularly straight bat.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I don’t think it’s a matter of trust. It’s a complex negotiation and there are still unresolved issues in regard to the Irish border.

Ultimately it’s a negotiation in any case and the EU are hardly playing with a particularly straight bat.
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Of course it’s a complex negotiation. But if one country announces it’s going to breach a legally binding treaty as part of that negotiation (they haven’t said so in those terms of course) then I think it’s a matter of trust.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Of course it’s a complex negotiation. But if one country announces it’s going to breach a legally binding treaty as part of that negotiation (they haven’t said so in those terms of course) then I think it’s a matter of trust.
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Nobody has announced that they are going to do anything of the sort. We are still involved in negotiations at this stage.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I don’t think it’s a matter of trust. It’s a complex negotiation and there are still unresolved issues in regard to the Irish border.

Ultimately it’s a negotiation in any case and the EU are hardly playing with a particularly straight bat.
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Why so you say the eu are not playing with a straight bat? I see the UK flip flopping all over the place, whereas the eu have been consistent
 
Anyway, it’s obviously underdone, not burnt to a crisp.
The late addition of Barnier alcohol has left it soggy in the middle.😬
 
Them, us, they, we. All this devisive talk and building barriers between people was always going to end in direct conflict. It's pathetic in this day and age. I thought humans had moved on and realised co-operation will always be more beneficial to all concerned. Might eventually see a return to that one day but I think it will take a bit of well deserved suffering first for some to realise that.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Ah progress at last.An admission finally that there is an Act of Parliament planned to address parts of the Withdrawal Act, and it’s not all Fake News from the ultra left wing BBC and MSM.
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Do you know what it says? Seems the OP and half the posters on here are experts on something they know nothing about. Same as usual I suppose.
 
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