Old_Laytonian
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I haven't got a clue or any experience of this but if it works for you stick with it. What does bother me is when I hear stories of GPs handing out anti depressants to teenagers.as a matter of course. Based on what
Nothing boring about that post Shandy. Just very open and honestIf they work keep on them, after 20 years its a big jump to stop, you seem in good order of late.
I suffer bouts of anxiety that can be very crippling, I've got better at signs it's creeping on me and can sort of cope. I've not resorted to medicine, the prospect scares me too much I was offered stuff by my GP and I ran a mile, although I attended a 6 week NHS course that was very good, its all about the inner chimp (amygdala). Exercise helps me, alcohol certainly doesn't (although I do drink and still too much) and a lack of sleep is very bad.
Like Blood I suffer when my workload is high, which over the last 2 years it has. I also moved house 4 months ago (after being in my last house 20 years) and I've found that stressful because it needs doing up, I've had to borrow money (was mortgage free) and consequently I've got a lot on, with that and work. For the first 2 months in the house I was stressed and didn't sleep well, always waking up with doubts and worries, thinking WTF have we done! I've also got a degenerative eye condition that's only going one way, I try to forget but it does worry me. My grandmother and mother's personality are worriers, which I guess is an old term for anxiety. Depression and/or anxiety tends to run in families. For me I've got to try and get things into perspective, which is really tough when I'm feeling anxious as I constantly pour over issues in my mind and go on a downward spiral deeper and deeper. My wife knows when I'm suffering and has started to understand better but she can be critical and openly says she cannot comprehend it. Anyway typing this has got it off my chest a bit. For some reason I always hate Sundays and often struggle to settle, last Sunday I was pacing around the house completely on edge, I decided to drink to feel temporarily better and felt a 100x worse Monday. Tonight I'm calm, not sure why. I'll finish my boring post, all the best Lala.
She's the new blood, brazen runchaserNothing boring about that post Shandy. Just very open and honest
Oh and I see you've got your half century Lala
Yes I’ve noticed she’s becoming quite handy with the batShe's the new blood, brazen runchaser
If they work keep on them, after 20 years its a big jump to stop, you seem in good order of late.
I suffer bouts of anxiety that can be very crippling, I've got better at signs it's creeping on me and can sort of cope. I've not resorted to medicine, the prospect scares me too much I was offered stuff by my GP and I ran a mile, although I attended a 6 week NHS course that was very good, its all about the inner chimp (amygdala). Exercise helps me, alcohol certainly doesn't (although I do drink and still too much) and a lack of sleep is very bad.
Like Blood I suffer when my workload is high, which over the last 2 years it has. I also moved house 4 months ago (after being in my last house 20 years) and I've found that stressful because it needs doing up, I've had to borrow money (was mortgage free) and consequently I've got a lot on, with that and work. For the first 2 months in the house I was stressed and didn't sleep well, always waking up with doubts and worries, thinking WTF have we done! I've also got a degenerative eye condition that's only going one way, I try to forget but it does worry me. My grandmother and mother's personality are worriers, which I guess is an old term for anxiety. Depression and/or anxiety tends to run in families. For me I've got to try and get things into perspective, which is really tough when I'm feeling anxious as I constantly pour over issues in my mind and go on a downward spiral deeper and deeper. My wife knows when I'm suffering and has started to understand better but she can be critical and openly says she cannot comprehend it. Anyway typing this has got it off my chest a bit. For some reason I always hate Sundays and often struggle to settle, last Sunday I was pacing around the house completely on edge, I decided to drink to feel temporarily better and felt a 100x worse Monday. Tonight I'm calm, not sure why. I'll finish my boring post, all the best Lala.
I only moved because after 18 years we ended up with awful neighbours. Couldn't take it and it was getting me really down, on the plus this is a detached bungalow in the countryside one side is a farmers field with two horses the other side is an elderly couple who are great. On the downside there is more to do than I anticipated and the cost of materials at the minute is a joke. I felt OK today i think in part that next week my workload isn't too onerous and I have managed to stay off the booze. Just had a cup of tea and going off to bed. I feel guilty that much of my adult life has been driven by perceived fear and things that may happen. In the cold light of day its pathetic.I know what you mean about Sundays and moving house.
Sundays should be a good day if you are not in work and you only get two days off shouldn’t they?
That creeping, edgy sadness that seems to slide in during the afternoon nearly always spoils it though. I often used to see it off with some cider (my happy drink!), but as already posted basically that means “let Mondays take care of themselves”.
We moved house four years ago after 20 odd years in “my happy home”. Complete nightmare. The bloody place has cost a fortune to get sorted, which it never is for long. OK we have more space, it’s in a nicer area and I now think it will work out for us, but bloody hell! Talk about “be careful what you wish for”.
It’s not pathetic at all. If it’s in your make up to worry and to have anxiety it’s pretty hard to shift.I only moved because after 18 years we ended up with awful neighbours. Couldn't take it and it was getting me really down, on the plus this is a detached bungalow in the countryside one side is a farmers field with two horses the other side is an elderly couple who are great. On the downside there is more to do than I anticipated and the cost of materials at the minute is a joke. I felt OK today i think in part that next week my workload isn't too onerous and I have managed to stay off the booze. Just had a cup of tea and going off to bed. I feel guilty that much of my adult life has been driven by perceived fear and things that may happen. In the cold light of day its pathetic.
Anyway have a good week people, my mission is to live in the moment and not in the past or the future.
I only moved because after 18 years we ended up with awful neighbours. Couldn't take it and it was getting me really down, on the plus this is a detached bungalow in the countryside one side is a farmers field with two horses the other side is an elderly couple who are great. On the downside there is more to do than I anticipated and the cost of materials at the minute is a joke. I felt OK today i think in part that next week my workload isn't too onerous and I have managed to stay off the booze. Just had a cup of tea and going off to bed. I feel guilty that much of my adult life has been driven by perceived fear and things that may happen. In the cold light of day its pathetic.
Anyway have a good week people, my mission is to live in the moment and not in the past or the future.
Brilliant post Blood. Very honest of you. I too have had similar experiences, and put on “an act”, but I‘ve never really got over it ( personal problems 17 years ago ) and still suffering, albeit to a lesser extent. Still need sleeping tablets every night, and diazepam atleast 4 times a week, but look ‘confident’. Been in some very dark places over the years. Probably saved by my kids, but they don’t know that.Just out of interest (and only If anyone wants to share and has identified the cause ) what causes your anxiety or depression?
In my case (stress/anxiety) ….it was 99% work related. A High sales performance culture where I were only as good as my overall Area team’s performance (that was my belief anyway) and it caused me to never be able to switch off so I couldn’t enjoy anything in the rest of my (very blessed) life at all…it was an ever present anxiety and was mentally crippling, very very traumatic whilst having to put on a confident, self assured “act” all the time. And btw this went in for years and years and vast majority of people wouldn’t have had a clue and would have been very surprised if they’d known. I was a right mess…but performed
Went to Docs, they prescribed citalopram but I didn’t take em…..just didn’t want to go down that route. I just bumbled on unhappily but very very luckily due to certain reasons the culture of the company changed and it played into my hands and the work related stress therefore went away and it transformed my life tbh……..Pills couldn’t have helped me personally, I was just lucky
I too exercise to stay calm. Walking in my case, my wife walked her way out of a very bad time, building up fitness and confidence. Headaches, coming home from work fuming, on go the boots, grab the dog and lead, and walk. During lockdown, we both got a bit obsessive about it. I don't know whether it's endorphins or fresh air, my nightmare would be being housebound. 10K steps per day minimum, averaging 16K over the last year.Even though I have spent too much time being down about my family. I have never taken them. I exercise more than normal when I am really feeling it.
It burns off the stress adrenalin I think.I too exercise to stay calm. Walking in my case, my wife walked her way out of a very bad time, building up fitness and confidence. Headaches, coming home from work fuming, on go the boots, grab the dog and lead, and walk. During lockdown, we both got a bit obsessive about it. I don't know whether it's endorphins or fresh air, my nightmare would be being housebound. 10K steps per day minimum, averaging 16K over the last year.
Brilliant stuff, I average 12300 a day so have a fair bit to go to match you. I have two dogs that get me out and their unconditional love helps me when I'm down but not when I'm on an anxiety binge but they have saved me when I was at my worst. I started walking on the moors and the fog lifted for me.I too exercise to stay calm. Walking in my case, my wife walked her way out of a very bad time, building up fitness and confidence. Headaches, coming home from work fuming, on go the boots, grab the dog and lead, and walk. During lockdown, we both got a bit obsessive about it. I don't know whether it's endorphins or fresh air, my nightmare would be being housebound. 10K steps per day minimum, averaging 16K over the last year.
I love that phrase.I started walking on the moors and the fog lifted for me.
The other good thing about having a dog, is you HAVE to go for walks. Whatever the weather, dog has its needs and out you go. I love our village at 6.00am, mostly quiet, seeing and nodding to the odd regular.It burns off the stress adrenalin I think.
It’s all I can do when I’m at peak stress mode, literally cannot sit still and I mean literally. I have tried to sit still in that headspace but my legs just bounce up and down and shake of their own accord.
Looking forward to getting my dog in January, and all the healthy walks we’ll have, it will help keep the adrenalin in check even when it isn’t bad I guess
No, it’s actually a lady called Dorothy based in Preston at the Remedy Centre. She’s SO good, she was recommended to Seve Ballesteros and treated him… beat that!If its the lady who's based in Thornton, she's fantastic.
So many posts on this thread I’ve found myself relating to.Your post is probably the one most relevant to myself... a lot going on in my life at moment, as you are aware, fresh air and exercise is basically my job, with a few hundred animals thrown in, keeps everything real. I’m walking, yearly average 10 mile a day, 360 days a year... working some 4000plus hours a year... my work has always been my “safe place” ... now it’s obsessive.... my family say I’m a workaholic, I realise now after reading this thread... it’s my anti depressant, how I deal with anxiety in all is forms .I too exercise to stay calm. Walking in my case, my wife walked her way out of a very bad time, building up fitness and confidence. Headaches, coming home from work fuming, on go the boots, grab the dog and lead, and walk. During lockdown, we both got a bit obsessive about it. I don't know whether it's endorphins or fresh air, my nightmare would be being housebound. 10K steps per day minimum, averaging 16K over the last year.
It definitely sounds like it is ! And it’s a very healthy way of dealing with anxietySo many posts on this thread I’ve found myself relating to.Your post is probably the one most relevant to myself... a lot going on in my life at moment, as you are aware, fresh air and exercise is basically my job, with a few hundred animals thrown in, keeps everything real. I’m walking, yearly average 10 mile a day, 360 days a year... working some 4000plus hours a year... my work has always been my “safe place” ... now it’s obsessive.... my family say I’m a workaholic, I realise now after reading this thread... it’s my anti depressant, how I deal with anxiety in all is forms .
That’s true but I’m struggling now, particularly after the lockdowns, to be amongst people... haven’t been at any ‘Pool games since early 2020(tv only) just can’t face crowds etc . Always been anxious around people, rural living etc doesn’t help.... really bad now.It definitely sounds like it is ! And it’s a very healthy way of dealing with anxiety
Oh that‘s not good is it.That’s true but I’m struggling now, particularly after the lockdowns, to be amongst people... haven’t been at any ‘Pool games since early 2020(tv only) just can’t face crowds etc . Always been anxious around people, rural living etc doesn’t help.... really bad now.
I'm definitely less sociable after lockdown to be honest lockdown was a relief at times to avoid going out. I'm invited on a Christmas do and a wedding next year and I'm working on my excuses.That’s true but I’m struggling now, particularly after the lockdowns, to be amongst people... haven’t been at any ‘Pool games since early 2020(tv only) just can’t face crowds etc . Always been anxious around people, rural living etc doesn’t help.... really bad now.
I set an electric fence up for the 1st time this weekend to stop the adjacent horses continuing to damage my fence. There is 7000 volts running through it which will get their attention, I'm really enjoying the rural life.So many posts on this thread I’ve found myself relating to.Your post is probably the one most relevant to myself... a lot going on in my life at moment, as you are aware, fresh air and exercise is basically my job, with a few hundred animals thrown in, keeps everything real. I’m walking, yearly average 10 mile a day, 360 days a year... working some 4000plus hours a year... my work has always been my “safe place” ... now it’s obsessive.... my family say I’m a workaholic, I realise now after reading this thread... it’s my anti depressant, how I deal with anxiety in all is forms .
Surely your’e not 95 Dave?I take quite a few prescription drugs etc.
However no anti-depressants.
I almost rattle when I walk.
I do take Amitriptyline which is also an anti-depressant.
Mine are for neuropathic head pain which I have suffered from for years.
Possibly the results of a vehicle crash when in the army. 8 stitches in the front of my hair-line.
Also had Shingles a few years ago which might be another cause.
Not long ago I tried to get compensation from the Forces Medical bureau. No such luck.
It happened when I was 19 y.o. 76 years ago. I have suffered since then.
Miserable bastards.
Trammo, it seems also to affected my arithmeticSurely your’e not 95 Dave?
I can travel the world on my own, and do so.I'm definitely less sociable after lockdown to be honest lockdown was a relief at times to avoid going out. I'm invited on a Christmas do and a wedding next year and I'm working on my excuses.
I set an electric fence up for the 1st time this weekend to stop the adjacent horses continuing to damage my fence. There is 7000 volts running through it which will get their attention, I'm really enjoying the rural life.
Lockdown made me realise how much I hated them. Looking back I'd sink at least a couple of pints before I went out.I can travel the world on my own, and do so.
But if you ask me to go to a wedding down the road or a Christmas Do I would really struggle to. Social anxiety innit can do anything with my kids or very close family and anything at all on my own, but nothing sociable with anyone else.
I think as long as you still do the things you like either alone or with very close ones it doesn‘t have to restrict you.Lockdown made me realise how much I hated them. Looking back I'd sink at least a couple of pints before I went out.
Sorry to hear that. Tbf, I came to realise years ago it is pretty common in the farming community, working and living in the same space, albeit a healthy outdoor one. Prior to that I just thought farmers were grumpy gits!That’s true but I’m struggling now, particularly after the lockdowns, to be amongst people... haven’t been at any ‘Pool games since early 2020(tv only) just can’t face crowds etc . Always been anxious around people, rural living etc doesn’t help.... really bad now.
That’s good advice and have been following that kind of gradual inclusion, for obvious reasons ,in and around hospital a lot but certain , unexpected, situations set me back... just how it isOh that‘s not good is it.
Do you think you could just go somewhere that’s slightly out of your comfort zone but not really crowded and see if you can sit with the discomfort for a short period of time ? Then repeat a day or two later and try to keep adding a bit more time up to try and build some confidence back ?
Ye, you do have a lot on like Mossy says and maybe just keep coping as well as you are with all the other stuff for now.That’s good advice and have been following that kind of gradual inclusion, for obvious reasons ,in and around hospital a lot but certain , unexpected, situations set me back... just how it is
I can totally relate to lockdowns and finding every excuse under the sun to avoid putting yourself in uncomfortable situations.I'm definitely less sociable after lockdown to be honest lockdown was a relief at times to avoid going out. I'm invited on a Christmas do and a wedding next year and I'm working on my excuses.
I set an electric fence up for the 1st time this weekend to stop the adjacent horses continuing to damage my fence. There is 7000 volts running through it which will get their attention, I'm really enjoying the rural life.
Good advice... have hit burnout a few times, luckily got help( minds matter program... CBT etc) can recognise the signs now and act with help of family etc.Sorry to hear that. Tbf, I came to realise years ago it is pretty common in the farming community, working and living in the same space, albeit a healthy outdoor one. Prior to that I just thought farmers were grumpy gits!
As Lala says, and I know you have got a huge amount on your plate atm, do the odd little bit of slightly more social, just to stop it being such a big mountain. Nothing wrong with work being your happy place, but don't burn yourself out.
Fight or flight... you did well... you’ve had to deal with an awful lot too... it’s no wonder you’ve had a little wobble, particularly around this difficult 12 months end... the advice you give to others on here shows true strength... never underestimate your strengthYe, you do have a lot on like Mossy says and maybe just keep coping as well as you are with all the other stuff for now.
It‘s very very hard. Something so easy as just going to a different place can become so unexplainably difficult.
I remember after a spell in hospital with off the scale anxiety that when I got discharged I forced myself straight into town. I couldn’t do Primark ( but to be fair that’s a challenge without anxiety) but I went to Waterstones and had this awful constant ongoing urge to run off home. I remember forcing myself to stay with the fear and not leave because I did not want to be someone who couldn’t go out again.
It’s a slippery cruel slope for some. They call it a fight and it bloody well is
I was only getting 3000 volts and found it touching the fence wire, so I moved it....nearly blew my socks off don't think they horses will be touching my fence againI can totally relate to lockdowns and finding every excuse under the sun to avoid putting yourself in uncomfortable situations.
Hope your move works out for you.
Just a heads up re. the leccy fence.... from personal experience ( only once mind) never be tempted to hop over it when switched on... 7000 volts through your bollocks makes you re-evaluate your entire life in a nanosecond ️️
Just read your post after I posted the same thing. I could edit mI know it's a cliched sort of phrase LALA, but you wouldn't walk around with a broken leg, just to prove to yourself and whoever else that you were 'strong' (whatever that means), you'd get it put in plaster... If you had a dodgy ticker you might need a pace maker ... Would it be 'stronger' to just not bother ?
We're all in the same boat one way or another.... strength / weakness has nothin
not to diminish the seriousness of the discussion BUT Lala you could be on for a Ton here and that is a depression buster for anyoneI give out regular shite on mental health subjects but it’s all reverberated crap from what I’ve been told .
Has anyone else been on them long term ?
20 years for me bar the odd non compliance period of no more than a year.
I’m wondering if they stop me from being the real me and I’m living this fake life that stops me being the real me, warts and all, a fun bobby regardless of any situation.
They don‘t stop me stressing but maybe stop full blown panic attacks but maybe I wouldn’t even have panic attacks now and maybe it’s better to be the real me anyway.
Ffs I feel like I’m just a legitimate druggie and have been for 20 years.
Anyone else come off them after 20
years ?
Don’t ask me to consult my GP, he doesn’t have a clue what I’m on and would just nod along with whatever I suggested. I am a number, we all are.
Just read your post after I posted the same thing. I could edit m
not to diminish the seriousness of the discussion BUT Lala you could be on for a Ton here and that is a depression buster for anyone
Just 14 more singles required and it’s raise the bat time
Good luck
lThat’s good advice and have been following that kind of gradual inclusion, for obvious reasons ,in and around hospital a lot but certain , unexpected, situations set me back... just how it is
I really think it helps. It’s obvious that so many of us have has similar experiences and it’s reassuring to know that .Gosh, some really honest and heartfelt posts on this thread… I hope it’s helping people to talk about their angst…
You can have a sneaky day time catch up snooze Davel
Lala, I honestly can't remember when the last time I had a full nights' sleep was.
I have permanent ringing and whistling in my head.
I don't take sleeping pills, they're not good for people.
I am also likely to doze off whilst watching TV. MrsDP will knock me and say 'You're snoring again'.
Yes, it’s definitely cathartic to talk and especially with perhaps who can relate to what you’re going through. I was thinking that if this forum is a true representation of the general population, just how widespread the problem really is..I really think it helps. It’s obvious that so many of us have has similar experiences and it’s reassuring to know that .
Its also a well known fact that sharing and talking is far healthier than bottling it up and ignoring.
Lockdowns combined with media hysteria about any and every world event, doing their utmost to alarm and worry with all the “what ifs” they can think of has definitely played on people’s fears and anxieties. Deliberately avoiding ALL sensationalist news outlets has definitely helped.Yes, it’s definitely cathartic to talk and especially with perhaps who can relate to what you’re going through. I was thinking that if this forum is a true representation of the general population, just how widespread the problem really is..
That’s so true and I agree. Dad watches the news endlessly and devours the morning newspapers and then complains that everything is so depressing. I, on the other hand, cherry pick what I watch and read, otherwise I know I’ll feel depressed too. He chides me (gently!) for not sharing his enthusiasm about world events but it’s a form of self protection I guess on my part. Life is tough enough as it is. I think to some degree, you become inured to it, anyway..Lockdowns combined with media hysteria about any and every world event, doing their utmost to alarm and worry with all the “what ifs” they can think of has definitely played on people’s fears and anxieties. Deliberately avoiding ALL sensationalist news outlets has definitely helped.
I also take the doom and gloom threads on here with a pinch of salt, although I do enjoy throwing the odd hand grenade now and again or adding a little humour for entertainment
Obviously all us people with sleep problems etc are civilised, and don't stoop to upsetting other people.I wish all threads were this civilised!
Didn’t you come on one if the AVFTT Christmas Parties? I’m sure we met mateLockdowns combined with media hysteria about any and every world event, doing their utmost to alarm and worry with all the “what ifs” they can think of has definitely played on people’s fears and anxieties. Deliberately avoiding ALL sensationalist news outlets has definitely helped.
I also take the doom and gloom threads on here with a pinch of salt, although I do enjoy throwing the odd hand grenade now and again or adding a little humour for entertainment
At the ElkDidn’t you come on one if the AVFTT Christmas Parties? I’m sure we met mate