booing the knee

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I would think as Blackpool fans and what we've been through that most would understand that 'just going to the football' isn't really a valid argument and one that was despised during the boycott. You can't pick and choose when to use it to suit or when the cause doesn't relate to you.

The clubs are supposed to reflect communities, or used to, you can't separate the outside world from the game. Did anyone boo the NHS campaigns on the big screen or any presentations pre-match because they just wanted to watch the football? So why are they booing the ten seconds before the match of kneeling?
 
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Lytham_fy8 said:
I would think as Blackpool fans and what we've been through that most would understand that 'just going to the football' isn't really a valid argument and one that was despised during the boycott. You can't pick and choose when to use it to suit or when the cause doesn't relate to you.

The clubs are supposed to reflect communities, or used to, you can't separate the outside world from the game. Did anyone boo the NHS campaigns on the big screen or any presentations pre-match because they just wanted to watch the football? So why are they booing the ten seconds before the match of kneeling?
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The comparison to the NHS clapping is a good one, i.e. we decided to stop it after a while as it was losing its impact...I think that the kneeling is now at the stage when it is also losing impact
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
I would think as Blackpool fans and what we've been through that most would understand that 'just going to the football' isn't really a valid argument and one that was despised during the boycott. You can't pick and choose when to use it to suit or when the cause doesn't relate to you.

The clubs are supposed to reflect communities, or used to, you can't separate the outside world from the game. Did anyone boo the NHS campaigns on the big screen or any presentations pre-match because they just wanted to watch the football? So why are they booing the ten seconds before the match of kneeling?
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Is it even 10 seconds? Way too much being made of it. If I was that offended by it, maybe I wouldn't go to the game. If you think that's ridiculous, then maybe rethink your opposition to the gesture.
 
Wizaard said:
Is it even 10 seconds? Way too much being made of it. If I was that offended by it, maybe I wouldn't go to the game. If you think that's ridiculous, then maybe rethink your opposition to the gesture.
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1 second, 1 minute or 1 hour, it's still too long and it's not needed, people are there to watch the football.

Just because someone doesn't agree with something doesn't mean they're offended.
 
The chairman of Colchester United is offering some leadership on this, this is very clear;

The majority of supporters in the JobServe Community Stadium applauded both sets of players as they showed their support for the Black Lives Matter movement for racial equality.

But some supporters could be heard booing, leading Colchester forward Callum Harriott to express his dismay on social media afterwards.

“Absolutely disappointed today!” Harriott tweeted. “Before kick-off taking the knee in support of Black Lives Matter and hearing our crowd is BOOING. Ridiculous.”

Colchester chairman Robbie Cowling has now released a statement condemning the supporters who booed on Saturday, and told them to stay away should they wish to do so again.

“Those that take the knee want to highlight that all lives should be valued and should not be treated inhumanely or inferior to others just because of their race,” Cowling said.

“It is undeniable that black and other ethnic minority people are still the victims of racism, and the black footballers and staff at Colchester United feel that they are in a position of privilege that has been fought for through the blood and sweat of their ancestors.

“A position that in 2020 the average black person is still not afforded.

“Those taking the knee, and supporting the taking of the knee, not only shows their willingness to support the drive to eradicate racial oppression but force it to be a talking point even when it’s uncomfortable.

“Undeniably, taking the knee is a fundamental catalyst in pushing the conversation and thus the necessary changes forward.

“I’m sure the vast majority of Colchester United fans are supportive and want to play their part in showing they back the actions of our players.

“Maybe those that booed on Saturday might now understand what this gesture means to our club and will at the very least remain silent during future games whilst the players continue to take the knee before each kick-off.

“Alternatively, they should just stay away from our club because anyone that still wants to boo now that I have explained the purpose and importance of the taking of the knee is not welcome at our club.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
And if the booers were on the receiving end of a two fingered salute from the players would they say “fair enough: entitled to their opinion”.

Or would they have a hissy fit and flounce?
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Anybody who boos my team will be receiving a two-fingered salute from me, never mind the players.

I've not sat at home all season watching what is turning out to be a classic Blackpool team on a third rate stream with fourth-rate commentary play in an empty stadium only to hear some politics obsessed knuckledragger booing such a great set of players come the glorious day I get to finally set foot in Bloomfield Road again.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
And if the booers were on the receiving end of a two fingered salute from the players would they say “fair enough: entitled to their opinion”.

Or would they have a hissy fit and flounce?
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Surely booing taking the knee is making a political point, the very thing some think shouldn't happen in football grounds?
 
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ElBurroSinNombre said:
The chairman of Colchester United is offering some leadership on this, this is very clear;

The majority of supporters in the JobServe Community Stadium applauded both sets of players as they showed their support for the Black Lives Matter movement for racial equality.

But some supporters could be heard booing, leading Colchester forward Callum Harriott to express his dismay on social media afterwards.

“Absolutely disappointed today!” Harriott tweeted. “Before kick-off taking the knee in support of Black Lives Matter and hearing our crowd is BOOING. Ridiculous.”

Colchester chairman Robbie Cowling has now released a statement condemning the supporters who booed on Saturday, and told them to stay away should they wish to do so again.

“Those that take the knee want to highlight that all lives should be valued and should not be treated inhumanely or inferior to others just because of their race,” Cowling said.

“It is undeniable that black and other ethnic minority people are still the victims of racism, and the black footballers and staff at Colchester United feel that they are in a position of privilege that has been fought for through the blood and sweat of their ancestors.

“A position that in 2020 the average black person is still not afforded.

“Those taking the knee, and supporting the taking of the knee, not only shows their willingness to support the drive to eradicate racial oppression but force it to be a talking point even when it’s uncomfortable.

“Undeniably, taking the knee is a fundamental catalyst in pushing the conversation and thus the necessary changes forward.

“I’m sure the vast majority of Colchester United fans are supportive and want to play their part in showing they back the actions of our players.

“Maybe those that booed on Saturday might now understand what this gesture means to our club and will at the very least remain silent during future games whilst the players continue to take the knee before each kick-off.

“Alternatively, they should just stay away from our club because anyone that still wants to boo now that I have explained the purpose and importance of the taking of the knee is not welcome at our club.
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That is a very good response to all those that would appease the racists.
 
Maybe we should just cut to the chase whereby players and fans all do a black power salute pre game. Anyone who refuses should be dragged from the ground, barred for life and branded a racist in the media - a weekly wall of shame or something similar. 🙄👍
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Or maybe you just need to chill.
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Perfectly chilled thanks. I've already said I wouldn't have boo'd, but it's be interesting to know whether complete indifference will be seen as an absence of support and by extension a racist stance.

For the umpteenth time, it's served its purpose, let's just get back to backing the kick it out message. If not I honestly think there will be further issues when we're all back.

Bowing out, it's a no win discussion 👍
 
Halifax71 said:
Perfectly chilled thanks. I've already said I wouldn't have boo'd, but it's be interesting to know whether complete indifference will be seen as an absence of support and by extension a racist stance.

For the umpteenth time, it's served its purpose, let's just get back to backing the kick it out message. If not I honestly think there will be further issues when we're all back.

Bowing out, it's a no win discussion 👍
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Mexboroseasider said:
Well couldn’t you say the same for national anthems, a minute’s silence, applauding the NHS?

Bin it!! We’re here for the football.
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You don't hear the National Anthem or applauding the NHS at league football.

As for the minute's silence, it all depends on who it is.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Possibly. But isn’t that for the players to decide? Rather than being told.
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So players can do as they please pre KO ? That’s an interesting one. My mind is awash with players doing all sorts of bizarre things pre KO. 😄
 
Dollar Thief said:
You don't hear the National Anthem or applauding the NHS at league football.

As for the minute's silence, it all depends on who it is.
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We weren’t talking exclusively about league matches. Your point was that people were there to watch the football (any match) and that shouldn’t be interrupted even for one second.

However I see you now think a minute’s silence might be acceptable, depending on who it is.

So basically it’s ok for football to be interrupted for up to a minute provided you agree? But if you don’t agree then it shouldn’t happen. Okey dokey.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
We weren’t talking exclusively about league matches. Your point was that people were there to watch the football (any match) and that shouldn’t be interrupted even for one second.

However I see you now think a minute’s silence might be acceptable, depending on who it is.

So basically it’s ok for football to be interrupted for up to a minute provided you agree? But if you don’t agree then it shouldn’t happen. Okey dokey.
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A minute's silence isn't supporting a political movement.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
But there is a moral high ground to be taken. Black lives matter, just as much as anyone else's, including mine.
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Who is disagreeing with that? Nobody! People booing the knee are just people disagreeing with something they see as being associated with some foreign divisive anarchistic movement. Like a number of posters, I say we should have stuck with our own Kick It Out campaign.
 
Just stay in the bog or on the concourse for an extra 20 seconds if you don’t want to observe or it offends you
 
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Mexboroseasider said:
I doubt it. I think most of the people you’re talking about would be quite chilled.

It’s you lot on the right who are getting all het up about the issue.
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Not at all, just an open and honest debate with the feeling it’s not necessary for them to take the knee. I said in another post there was nothing wrong with the kick it out message with banners and holding hands in unity as they come out of the tunnel. The taking of the knee with the Black power salute is just too divisive in an otherwise highly charged atmosphere in a difficult time. There will be chaos when we all return and it continues.
 
I worry about Madine's knees.
Can we have a pillow for his knee?
As a gesture for 'equality' those that want to do it go right ahead. Those that don't should not be discriminated/labelled against though.
 
basilrobbie said:
It's only seen as divisive by white people who feel threatened. But why giving people of a different ethnicity an even break in life should be threatening perplexes me. I think it's a sign of inadequacy, really.
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Do you really think that kind of attempt at character assassination works these days? Seems rather childish to me.
 
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catinstalbans said:
Well we have seen the spittle drooling offence taken by the faux patriots when James McClean refuses to wear a poppy.
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If he doesn’t like it in England he is welcome to leave as are others who do not respect the country,( it’s values and traditions ) that allows him and others of his ilk to earn a living or in a lot of cases just sponge off the rest of us
 
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