Seasider1887
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The Guardian reading tofu eaters are in denial
Someone, by invadersWho is being invaded and by whom?
Yes Wizzer. I was rather waiting for 1887's explanation...as you well know.Someone, by invaders
Far more stay in Europe though than come here but that would squash your argument so I won't mention it.We aren't, but we are, for lots of very positive reasons, we are the premier destination of choice for tens of thousands of people per year who would rather live here than rest of Europe they crossed to get here.
Other than all those who go to Italy, Spain and Germany in far greater numbers of course.We aren't, but we are, for lots of very positive reasons, we are the premier destination of choice for tens of thousands of people per year who would rather live here than rest of Europe they crossed to get here.
Stop it. You're interfering with other posters' comfort zones.Other than all those who go to Italy, Spain and Germany in far greater numbers of course.
Are they - I've not looked at the comparative figures for ages; our issues are a bit different in that England is one of the more densely populated parts of Europe and our infrastructure is woefully inadequate for the the current population. The infrastructure issues aren't insurmountable, but population density is more intransigent especially as new arrivals tend to congregate in London/SE and not want to move so far away as opportunities are more limited due to the regional inequalities - at one point in about 2005, the NE was the economic equivalent of Bulgaria - I'm not convinced things have improved that much since.Other than all those who go to Italy, Spain and Germany in far greater numbers of course.
EU had 630,000 applications for asylum in 2021.Are they - I've not looked at the comparative figures for ages; our issues are a bit different in that England is one of the more densely populated parts of Europe and our infrastructure is woefully inadequate for the the current population. The infrastructure issues aren't insurmountable, but population density is more intransigent especially as new arrivals tend to congregate in London/SE and not want to move so far away as opportunities are more limited due to the regional inequalities - at one point in about 2005, the NE was the economic equivalent of Bulgaria - I'm not convinced things have improved that much since.
at one point in about 2005, the NE was the economic equivalent of Bulgaria - I'm not convinced things have improved that much since.Are they - I've not looked at the comparative figures for ages; our issues are a bit different in that England is one of the more densely populated parts of Europe and our infrastructure is woefully inadequate for the the current population. The infrastructure issues aren't insurmountable, but population density is more intransigent especially as new arrivals tend to congregate in London/SE and not want to move so far away as opportunities are more limited due to the regional inequalities - at one point in about 2005, the NE was the economic equivalent of Bulgaria - I'm not convinced things have improved that much since.
Why is the UK's infrastructure woefully inadequate?Are they - I've not looked at the comparative figures for ages; our issues are a bit different in that England is one of the more densely populated parts of Europe and our infrastructure is woefully inadequate for the the current population. The infrastructure issues aren't insurmountable, but population density is more intransigent especially as new arrivals tend to congregate in London/SE and not want to move so far away as opportunities are more limited due to the regional inequalities - at one point in about 2005, the NE was the economic equivalent of Bulgaria - I'm not convinced things have improved that much since.
seems none of the lefties on here have anything to say about your post. Perhaps they think all these migrants should be welcomed, no questions asked.
Good stats themEU had 630,000 applications for asylum in 2021.
Germany had over 30%, ie around 190,000 Puts our 'invasion' into perspective.
Number of applications per EU country (2021)
In 2021, Germany received over a quarter (30%) of asylum applications in the EU, followed by:
All with more than us, for what it's worth.
- France (19.1%)
- Spain (10.4%)
- Italy (8.4%)
- Austria (6.1%)
Why are wealthy people selfish !It's just Natural Equilibrium in action. Given a wealthy country and a poor country, poor people will migrate towards the wealthy and force the selfish to share their wealth. Natural Equilibrium will always counteract unnatural man-made concepts like borders and countries.
That's how they get to be wealthy.Why are wealthy people selfish !
You are flogging a dead horse on here , they will never admit itWe most definitely are being invaded.
Just been on the 1pm BBC news BBC about Albanians and trafficking.
12k Albanians of which 10k are young men have already crossed this year alone on rubber dinghy’s the figure was just 50 2 years ago.
Some towns in Albania have had a 70% exodus of young men en-route to the U.K. and most of those left are all planning the same journey.
Some towns in Albania are expected to end up ghost towns.
It’s just crazy that their passing though 5/6 safe haven countries to get here.
It’s even made worse by many young Albanians joining trafficking groups in France and making thousands out of other peoples misfortunes.
And as for war torn refugees needing our help don’t get me going.
Of course, if we were to work in a grown up manner with our European neighbours, allies and friends and address the problem collegiately, we would have a greater chance of success that we will with Braverman's UKIP megaphone diplomacy.BBC says today that Albanian drug gangs are recruiting from the migrant camps in Northern France, offering to pay the passage to the UK of those prepared to work in the UK drugs cartel. The BBC says towns near the Albanian capital of Tirana are almost empty as young Albanians are lured to the French coast. There are no restrictions on their movement to France as tourists without visas for up to three months. Investigative journalists from Albania working undercover say that the Albanians did not have any real power. Everything is run by Kurds including the camps and the cross-Channel transport. French officials confirmed that Albanian migrants are working with Iraqi-Kurdish smuggling gangs which run 80% of small boat operations. IMO whatever action is taken by the UK to stop this escalation is legitimate.
Good idea. If we reached an agreement with France whereby we pay it loads of money and it rounds up the people smugglers and stops the boats entering La Manche, that would be good. But what if the French authorities didn't act in a grown up manner and just waved the boats through on the ground that it's not safe to intervene because they could be outnumbered?Of course, if we were to work in a grown up manner with our European neighbours, allies and friends and address the problem collegiately, we would have a greater chance of success that we will with Braverman's UKIP megaphone diplomacy.
Diplomacy is the art of doing very difficult things politely.Good idea. If we reached an agreement with France whereby we pay it loads of money and it rounds up the people smugglers and stops the boats entering La Manche, that would be good. But what if the French authorities didn't act in a grown up manner and just waved the boats through on the ground that it's not safe to intervene because they could be outnumbered?
And far more asylum seekers are housed for free in the UK than war veterans.Far more stay in Europe though than come here but that would squash your argument so I won't mention it.
Sadly that’s been the case for years.And far more asylum seekers are housed for free in the UK than war veterans.
Asylum seekers can be good for the population and growth of a country. However, my issue is the fact we house them while people who have fought for our country sleep on the streets. Look after our own first.
Knocks me sick.Sadly that’s been the case for years.
With 3 square meals a day TV/mobiles/internet your better looked after in HM prisons these days than are own people are on the streets.
It is obvious, but by accepting it you also have to accept that wealth is not finite, so wealth has to be distributed differently. If you are in the pay of very large corps and the very wealthy or in the pay of wall st / the city, anything that distributes wealth downwards is a problem.That's how they get to be wealthy.
The best way to get the economy moving is to give money to the poorest as they will spend it in the local economy.
Giving it to the wealthiest, as proposed by Liz Truss, will see the money saved, or spent on luxuries like foreign holidays, where the money is spent outwith our economy.
I really don't see why that isn't obvious to these economic experts.
We see it in the UK and every other developed nation, where people migrate to the main city from other cities and people migrate from rural to urban areas where there are working populations (and hence money) have facilities, or better facilities and opportunities which attracts even more people.It's just Natural Equilibrium in action. Given a wealthy country and a poor country, poor people will migrate towards the wealthy and force the selfish to share their wealth. Natural Equilibrium will always counteract unnatural man-made concepts like borders and countries.
Call me a cynic but I can't help but think that all this attention to asylum seekers is to divert attention from the clusterfuck our economy is in/heading into.
[Can't be that bad. I've lived here for 53 years and never met an Albanian, although I have no reason to think that meeting Albanians is a particularly bad thing!
Arriving at a rate of 1200 per month, I'm sure we will be coming accross them soon enough. The problem is not that they are arriving here but that many are arriving here for criminal purposes. The going rate for their transport seems to be drug dealing, prostitution and slavery. Bizarrely, many Albanian migrants are said to be making asylum claims on the ground they have been trafficked to the UK.
How do you know that huge numbers are arriving here for criminal purposes? The processing of applications has fallen from 90% to just 4% of arrivals so the statistics about the intent of arrivals won't exist. If an application is rejected on the grounds that asylum from their home country has no justification, then that individual can be returned to their country of origin. If it is an application for economic migration then the individual can be sent home and told to apply through the proper channels.Arriving at a rate of 1200 per month, I'm sure we will be coming accross them soon enough. The problem is not that they are arriving here but that many are arriving here for criminal purposes. The going rate for their transport seems to be drug dealing, prostitution and slavery. Bizarrely, many Albanian migrants are said to be making asylum claims on the ground they have been trafficked to the UK.
Because they told the BBC that they were offered free passage in return for their agreement to drug dealing.How do you know that huge numbers are arriving here for criminal purposes?
If they said they were desperate asylum seekers would you take them at their word? I doubt it. So why are you so ready to do so when the spout drug dealing stories? Then again, they could be decent men who have been made this offer but they have no intention of taking it up. It's easy to build a convenient narrative isn't it?Because they told the BBC that they were offered free passage in return for their agreement to drug dealing.
They could indeed be decent men, but they're not refugees and are coming from a peaceful country. They earn £1.70 an hour in Albania and want to earn more. Does that mean we should take them in?If they said they were desperate asylum seekers would you take them at their word? I doubt it. So why are you so ready to do so when the spout drug dealing stories? Then again, they could be decent men who have been made this offer but they have no intention of taking it up. It's easy to build a convenient narrative isn't it?
It means that our Government should get its finger out, provide the necessary resources and process these people properly. That way they are approved for asylum, rejected for asylum and told to apply for immigration through the proper channels or returned home.They could indeed be decent men, but they're not refugees and are coming from a peaceful country. They earn £1.70 an hour in Albania and want to earn more. Does that mean we should take them in?
The people of Blackpool can only dream of living like the people in an overcrowded immigration centre!!
Yeah, um, I don't think anyone in Blackpool dreams of experiencing the squalid, disease-ridden detention centre as a treat???