Vaccine may be available by September

TM. I think Bifster has been reading the small print on those lealets you get with your prescription which list every potential side affect. 😉
 
It's not about "Having an answer for everything" though the same could equally be said in respect of us both.

If you have absolute faith in pharmaceutical medication then that's your choice....

I don't have a utopian view of the world....I've said numerous times, it's about personal choice....Remember, it's not me who is trying to impose my will onto you...You are the one who seeks to shame or pressure people into taking vaccines, because you believe that is what they should be doing.

I've no problem with you or your relatives choosing to use pharmaceutical medication...I do have an issue with your attempts to shut down people who choose to use less invasive, less toxic alternatives...As I have said numerous times in my responses to you...It's about personal choice....My personal choice is not the same as yours...Deal with it!!
 
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Sadly I reckon this one has another year to run yet and the only way to really deal with it is to ban all flights in to and out of the country that can’t be screened and try and eliminate all cases - we’re an island and Wuhan have proved it is possible.
 
There's no vaccine for the common cold as there's no such thing as THE common cold.

The flu vaccine changes every year and even then it's vulnerable. At least Covid is one virus so far, the danger is it just mutates an nth degree and we're back where we started.
 
Great thread this and brilliant stuff from BFC3. Many examples the hidden information we should all be given so we can make informed choices but the system does not want us to make informed choices, it wants us to accept what it presents as normal, what it wants to impose on us.

I’m actually in favour of the principle of vaccines but very much against the practice. The difference is the intentions of those creating and supplying them. Just because we are all good people and we wouldn’t deliberately poison the population to make money or further other agendas we assume nobody else would think like that. That’s wrong though, the people who run these corporations are psychopaths. They don’t share the emotional responsibility we would have in those positions so are prepared to do anything it takes to achieve what they want.

Moss, you mention about family members relying on medicines. Also consider though that the human immune system is a truly fantastic thing. It’s the best doctor you will ever meet and it is the only thing responsible for curing any problem we have. It can need encouragement and help and Pharma drugs can supply that but they are made to alleviate symptoms rather than address the root causes of problems, meaning repeat custom rather than educating the masses as to what creates good health. More money is made if we don’t know that.

Our immune systems have been very much weakened though by the ingredients in past jabs we have all had, particularly as young children before the immune system is developed enough to fight off the toxic shock, and much more so today as kids get more and more jabs. This damage causes all sorts of health issues and makes them customers for life and it is very much calculated to be that way. All they had to do was create the trust in the allopathic medical system and everyone thinks some expert up above has OK’d it.

It’s rare anyone checks but when a doctor does and finds something wrong they get shut down and their career is threatened. Don’t fall back in to line and you get sacked, struck off, discredited, debunked - it’s Just like journalism, politics and anything falling under the same control system. We’re living in a world of lies and they keep control by hiding the real info from us.
 
Here’s a good article about the guy who is the public face of the race to save us all and keep everyone safe from not just the virus story but the dangerous lepers who won’t just shut up and take the shot (that one is coming).

Lovely Mr Gates

BG’s dad, William Snr was heavily into eugenics. He worked closely with Margaret Sanger who created Planned Parenthood which spawned out of the Rockefeller Foundation. PP sets up clinics in poor, largely black communities in the US and offers free or cheap abortions. These can be at any stage, including partial birth abortions when the baby is mid way through being born, after the full term.

Cells from these partial birth abortions, particularly the lung cells, are harvested and used in vaccines to inject in to other human beings. Does that count as cannibalism? Margaret Sanger described black people as “human weeds”. PP has ended the lives of millions of babies and makes out that it is there to help. Bill Gates is interested in a smaller, rather than larger population, even if you want to interpret his own population reduction words in a very favourable way. What are the chances that these people care about us?
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
There's no vaccine for the common cold as there's no such thing as THE common cold.

The flu vaccine changes every year and even then it's vulnerable. At least Covid is one virus so far, the danger is it just mutates an nth degree and we're back where we started.
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Think Lytham pretty much nails it. My sister is a virologist at Manchester Uni, and her input is , without a decent vaccine this will go on for ever!. It’s already mutated once, it can, and will mutate again. This is a massive problem world wide, and unless sorted properly will not go away.
 
A quick one about measles, if you get this in the normal way as a kid it massively boosts your immune system and makes it much stronger for life. Getting the jab stops that from happening. Possible extremely rare occurrences aside, no-one dies from measles. everyone is damaged to some extent by the shot ingredients, even though most don’t notice.
 
dodgykeeper said:
A quick one about measles, if you get this in the normal way as a kid it massively boosts your immune system and makes it much stronger for life. Getting the jab stops that from happening. Possible extremely rare occurrences aside, no-one dies from measles. everyone is damaged to some extent by the shot ingredients, even though most don’t notice.
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Just the odd 140.000 here and there.
 
Dewster said:
Think Lytham pretty much nails it. My sister is a virologist at Manchester Uni, and her input is , without a decent vaccine this will go on for ever!. It’s already mutated once, it can, and will mutate again. This is a massive problem world wide, and unless sorted properly will not go away.
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I have heard there are now thought to be four strains of this Coronavirus. Not sure if this is true, but this information has come originally from a hospital Consultant.
 
dodgykeeper said:
A quick one about measles, if you get this in the normal way as a kid it massively boosts your immune system and makes it much stronger for life. Getting the jab stops that from happening. Possible extremely rare occurrences aside, no-one dies from measles. everyone is damaged to some extent by the shot ingredients, even though most don’t notice.
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Firstly, if you get measles it wipes your current immunological memory thus making you more susceptible to other diseases. However, this will build up again over time. You should be immune to measles for life. I'd be interested to see your evidence for how that makes your immune system stronger overall, I assume you mean to other diseases?
 
Dewster said:
Think Lytham pretty much nails it. My sister is a virologist at Manchester Uni, and her input is , without a decent vaccine this will go on for ever!. It’s already mutated once, it can, and will mutate again. This is a massive problem world wide, and unless sorted properly will not go away.
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It's mutated more than once...

The numerous mutations are how the experts are able to determine localised sources of the virus..Essentially a virus is mutating all the time...

It's the speed and degree to which it mutates that is the issue or 'apparently' not in the case of coronavirus. Experts have suggested that the mutation rate is slow and largely insignificant (similar to measles or small pox) as opposed to being faster and more signifcant similar to influenza. To that extent, it has been suggested that immunity through antinody or vaccine may well last for life.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
X3 thanks for that, I am pleased to hear you are not against all vaccines, just the bits that go into them. You are entitled to your view, of course, but I consider those who do not use what vaccines there are available for their kids, eg Meazles, Whooping cough, polio, to be incredibly selfish. Not only do they put their own kids at risk, they risk others because of lack of real "Herd Immunity". If you have ever heard a child struggling to breather whilst "whooping" you'd have your own immunised in an instant.

Personally, I think the risk from a miniscule amount of Thiomersal is far outweighed by the benefit of having a stable vaccine which can be used anywhere without refrigeration. Life is not safe, it's a matter of acceptable risk.
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Thiomersal has not been used since 2005
The amount of natural formaldehyde in a 2-month-old infant’s blood (around 1.1 milligrams in total) is ten times greater than the amount found in any vaccine (less than 0.1 milligrams). A pear contains around 50 times more formaldehyde than is found in any vaccine.
 
Loco, I meant death rates from measles in developed countries were very low. Higher in third world countries presumably linked to what Lytham said, their overall immune system strength being lower.
There have been studies which have shown children who caught measles as kids went on to lead significantly healthier lives overall than those who either hadn’t caught it or had received the jab.

If this virus is supposed to slowly mutate they won’t have any logical reason to try to impose a vaccine on anyone who has tested positive. Interesting to see how they negotiate that one.

Formaldehyde in food goes in to your body in the ‘correct’ way. You are used to dealing with it, breaking it down, sorting through it, taking in what you want and pushing the rest out as waste. In a jab you don’t get that choice and your front line immune cells aren’t able to warn the rest what is coming in the normal way.

Thimerosal is thankfully not used here any more but is still in many US flu jabs. We have aluminium instead which you could argue is just as bad.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
It's mutated more than once...

The numerous mutations are how the experts are able to determine localised sources of the virus..Essentially a virus is mutating all the time...

It's the speed and degree to which it mutates that is the issue or 'apparently' not in the case of coronavirus. Experts have suggested that the mutation rate is slow and largely insignificant (similar to measles or small pox) as opposed to being faster and more signifcant similar to influenza. To that extent, it has been suggested that immunity through antinody or vaccine may well last for life.
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It's not the amount of mutations that's important but the specific site it occurs on the RNA. If the spike protein has a mutation in an active site it could make the disease worse, stay the same or actually reduce it's ability to harm us. Mutations aren't all bad.
 
dodgykeeper said:
Loco, I meant death rates from measles in developed countries were very low. Higher in third world countries presumably linked to what Lytham said, their overall immune system strength being lower.
There have been studies which have shown children who caught measles as kids went on to lead significantly healthier lives overall than those who either hadn’t caught it or had received the jab.

If this virus is supposed to slowly mutate they won’t have any logical reason to try to impose a vaccine on anyone who has tested positive. Interesting to see how they negotiate that one.

Formaldehyde in food goes in to your body in the ‘correct’ way. You are used to dealing with it, breaking it down, sorting through it, taking in what you want and pushing the rest out as waste. In a jab you don’t get that choice and your front line immune cells aren’t able to warn the rest what is coming in the normal way.

Thimerosal is thankfully not used here any more but is still in many US flu jabs. We have aluminium instead which you could argue is just as bad.
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I had measles as a kid. It wasn't much fun.
 
Me too and I agree. I feel long term it hasn't done me any harm at all though.

Very good link here from Robert F Kennedy Jnr, a very good, caring and honourable man.
Damage done
 
What it does show is how the next big pandemic could be the major killer. This has been talked about for years but we are not far away from one that really does wipe out a large portion of the human race. So to have Trump pulling out of WHO is a frightening prospect.
 
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