Uncle Val

Hertsseasider said:
With all this shitstorm going on hope is OK.
Which leads me to the question, what is his legacy at BFC and how should he, and his team, be remembered.
Hero's in my eyes
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Nice sentiments and I guess a lot of Latvians will be concerned so good luck to them. Something is definitely overdue to him and i wonder if its possible to get him over for a game and maybe a fans meeting?
 
nameless said:
Nice sentiments and I guess a lot of Latvians will be concerned so good luck to them. Something is definitely overdue to him and i wonder if its possible to get him over for a game and maybe a fans meeting?
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2 schools of thought.

One is he deffo is THE hero and without doubt the catalyst to the PL.

The other, he has been paid the money proportionally to the income from that year(s) and he's made a huge profit. If he has been paid in full, of course- I seriously doubt it. And it, like the Oi!Scums money hasn't come back into BFC.

We probably will never know. Although I'd love to see him back here and I'd love SS to attract investment.
 
fcblackpool said:
The other, he has been paid the money proportionally to the income from that year(s) and he's made a huge profit. If he has been paid in full, of course- I seriously doubt it. And it, like the Oi!Scums money hasn't come back into BFC.

We probably will never know. Although I'd love to see him back here and I'd love SS to attract investment.
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Very true but without that investment the Best Trip would never have happened nor the the building of the South Stand, and as a trade off against whatever he earned that must have been worth it?
I suppose you could say the same about a number of other investors elsewhere, but I think its important to look at the long term picture
 
BFC_53 said:
Whatever he did in terms of the money he took, he's ultimately responsible for the fact we now have a fantastic owner and a great future ahead of us for decades to come. He should always be welcome at Bloomfield Rd.
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on that basis OO trying to screw him for millions was the catalyst in his eventual removal from the club, should he always be welcome back?
 
Got us out of League One after decades of trying. Got us to the Premiership. Pushed for the south stand and half funded it. Got rid of the Oystons at great cost in legal fees and huge amounts of hassle. Almost certainly didn't get all monies due.

Worth every penny and more in my eyes. Changed the club for the better in so many ways. Positive and shrewd and put his money where his mouth was. The chief reason we are where we are now.
 
Hazi said:
on that basis OO trying to screw him for millions was the catalyst in his eventual removal from the club, should he always be welcome back?
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But there wouldn't have been any millions to screw had it not been for VB's initial investment. Whichever way you look at it, it was VB's involvement that is responsible for where we are now in terms of ownership. If he didn't exist, it's highly likely we'd still be under Oyston ownership having never been out of the bottom two divisions.
 
Wilburrabbit said:
Definitely a hero. Without doubt the NAPM and boycott would have been for nought without his intervention.

Not had enough recognition IMO.
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I actually think this is correct

As much as the boycott most certainly hit O’s i do believe without Val that it would have ended a hell of alot different, Napm would have folded the O’s but my fear then was it might have folded the club
 
rockontommy said:
Money launderer who stripped the club of the exact same amount of cash that the Os did.
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I think he gets a little more credit for investing in the south and the players that put us on the journey, but in the end won his money and more and what ultimately was at least in part the clubs money, was never given to bfc.

We got almost nothing from the Premier league money.

Some sprinklers, I suppose the east stand.... 😆😔
 
JJpool said:
I think he gets a little more credit for investing in the south and the players that put us on the journey, but in the end won his money and more and what ultimately was at least in part the clubs money, was never given to bfc.

We got almost nothing from the Premier league money.

Some sprinklers, I suppose the east stand.... 😆😔
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The Os built stands with govt cash, Uncle Val built a stand with Kazakhstani cash. It is what it is.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Correct…. Genius who walked away with all the Premier League cash and actually got the fans to pat him on the back and thank him for doing so…

You couldn’t make it up!
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It was a financial cost to the club and that family, ultimately.
It was, for me, worth every penny to get that family out, after all it was never going to be used for football purposes so we are back to square one but with new, dynamic owners.
You only need look at how the club is now run, how the supporters have reacted not only in numbers but in atmosphere.
Something had to happen or we would still be stuck with an administration that in my opinion couldn't run a tin bath never mind a Championship football club.
 
Respected for ousting the filth, but Could of given some of the prem millions back to aid the transition from filth to good. I don’t wish him any I’ll will.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Correct…. Genius who walked away with all the Premier League cash and actually got the fans to pat him on the back and thank him for doing so…

You couldn’t make it up!
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It's certainly a view that you have expressed before but I've got to join with those who think it was a price worth paying.
Also when Val took his action it was at his own risk and could have cost him a lot of money.
And again as others have said I wouldn't expect for one minute that he has been paid in full.
I do agree though it would have been nice to see some sort of financial gesture from Valeri.
 
Insider said:
It's certainly a view that you have expressed before but I've got to join with those who think it was a price worth paying.
Also when Val took his action it was at his own risk and could have cost him a lot of money.
And again as others have said I wouldn't expect for one minute that he has been paid in full.
I do agree though it would have been nice to see some sort of financial gesture from Valeri.
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I wouldn't be surprised if the monies he has received from the Oystons don't cover his total outlay in the club and the legal battles.
 
Insider said:
It's certainly a view that you have expressed before but I've got to join with those who think it was a price worth paying.
Also when Val took his action it was at his own risk and could have cost him a lot of money.
And again as others have said I wouldn't expect for one minute that he has been paid in full.
I do agree though it would have been nice to see some sort of financial gesture from Valeri.
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Of course he will have been paid in full…. Unfortunately people can’t see past the “The enemy of my enemy…..” concept.

As I’ve said on here before, from what so witnessed, VB wasn’t interested to do much to help us until a certain oversized individual contacted him to suggest there may be a way to get his money back…. All of a sudden after that VB went into PR overdrive.

In my view he leveraged the anti Oyston sentiment and gained the support of the fans to serve his own ends.

The problem is that too many of you are too invested in the VB ‘hero’ theory to be able to wind back and acknowledge the reality….

Blinded by bull shit !
 
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I definitely think VB made a tidy profit on his investment in BFC through his legal action against the Os. That legal action was the catalyst for ownership change, which almost certainly wouldn't have happened without that legal action. So good luck to him, note his contribution, but time to look to the future with Sadler.
 
SeasideKurt said:
Definitely thought you were far more intelligent than that sentence.
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Why Kurt?

The way I see (beyond all of the fairy tales) is that Val has walked of into the sunset with all of the money. And he did that not only with the blessing of Blackpool fans, but with us applauding him on his way…

Like I said above, people are too invested in the alternative reality they’ve created for themselves to admit the truth.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Of course he will have been paid in full…. Unfortunately people can’t see past the “The enemy of my enemy…..” concept.

As I’ve said on here before, from what so witnessed, VB wasn’t interested to do much to help us until a certain oversized individual contacted him to suggest there may be a way to get his money back…. All of a sudden after that VB went into PR overdrive.

In my view he leveraged the anti Oyston sentiment and gained the support of the fans to serve his own ends.

The problem is that too many of you are too invested in the VB ‘hero’ theory to be able to wind back and acknowledge the reality….

Blinded by bull shit !
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I actually can’t believe what I’m reading.

Without that man we’d have no South Stand, never have witnessed Championship football and you can totally forget the Premier League and we’d be in a position now where we’d potentially have no football club left.

Val definitely didn’t make his money back that he invested. His lawyers were extortionate and there’s no way that scum family will have paid him back in full.

This is one of those controversy for controversy’s sake points of view for attention (see every match day thread after we lose) and it really pisses everyone off.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Of course he will have been paid in full…. Unfortunately people can’t see past the “The enemy of my enemy…..” concept.

As I’ve said on here before, from what so witnessed, VB wasn’t interested to do much to help us until a certain oversized individual contacted him to suggest there may be a way to get his money back…. All of a sudden after that VB went into PR overdrive.

In my view he leveraged the anti Oyston sentiment and gained the support of the fans to serve his own ends.

The problem is that too many of you are too invested in the VB ‘hero’ theory to be able to wind back and acknowledge the reality….

Blinded by bull shit !
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The reverse is closer to the truth imo!
 
Without him at all we would still be in bottom 2 divs under Oystons if we were lucky.

Without him suing the Os NAPM would still be ongoing with Blackpool in The National league or worse with matches against AFC Fylde or even Bamber Bridge being the local derby .

In my Opinion him walking away with his Profit is a good price to pay for where we are now without the Oystons & with Saddler .
 
Painting VB as anything other than a revolutionary force for good at BFC is contrarian bullshit. From signing Marcus Bean to ousting the Oystons and all in between, it all benefited BFC.

We can argue about the motives of the court action, but all before that was done for the progression of BFC.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Of course he will have been paid in full…. Unfortunately people can’t see past the “The enemy of my enemy…..” concept.

As I’ve said on here before, from what so witnessed, VB wasn’t interested to do much to help us until a certain oversized individual contacted him to suggest there may be a way to get his money back…. All of a sudden after that VB went into PR overdrive.

In my view he leveraged the anti Oyston sentiment and gained the support of the fans to serve his own ends.

The problem is that too many of you are too invested in the VB ‘hero’ theory to be able to wind back and acknowledge the reality….

Blinded by bull shit !
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It’s a simple FACT that know it all do-gooders like BFC would have preferred to have given in to Hitler rather than accept the role Stalin played in his downfall.
 
I think it helps if you make a distinction between pre and post the PL.

There’s no doubt that VB was the main (but obviously not the only) reason we got promoted. I think when he first got involved his motivation was financial. In fact I recall when he was dithering about investing OO sent him a letter reminding him of the rewards they’d both enjoy if we were promoted. Once he was on board though I think he developed a genuine connection with the club.

Post PL there’s little doubt that NAPM on its own would not have shifted the Os. It took something more and the VB litigation was the missing ingredient.

I’m sure the main driver for the court action was financial combined with irritation at being taken for a mug by the Os. I do though think VB had an affection for the fans and is probably pleased at where we find ourselves now. But it’s important not to exaggerate that. If he could have got his money back, but left the club owned by the Os, I don’t doubt where his priority would have been. Remember, even after the judgment, if the Os had paid what was due then VB would have been obliged to sell his shares and the Os would have been the sole owners. It was only their incompetence and obtuseness that eventually led to the appointment of a receiver and the sale of the club.

So yes I’m grateful to VB but realistic about what happened and what could have happened.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Why Kurt?

The way I see (beyond all of the fairy tales) is that Val has walked of into the sunset with all of the money. And he did that not only with the blessing of Blackpool fans, but with us applauding him on his way…

Like I said above, people are too invested in the alternative reality they’ve created for themselves to admit the truth.
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But you're removing multiple points in all of this. Short memory and very weird and one of the most peculiar takes of this I've read.

Almost every single pro-active investment was funded by Valeri, he put his money where his mouth is, he injected positivity into this club.

So, rightly so, when someone tries to fist you out of millions of pounds that your investment was the reason they gained that money. I'd be walking off into the sunset too.

He didn't get given the option of being given the club, which he would have taken plus money.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Of course he will have been paid in full…. Unfortunately people can’t see past the “The enemy of my enemy…..” concept.

As I’ve said on here before, from what so witnessed, VB wasn’t interested to do much to help us until a certain oversized individual contacted him to suggest there may be a way to get his money back…. All of a sudden after that VB went into PR overdrive.

In my view he leveraged the anti Oyston sentiment and gained the support of the fans to serve his own ends.

The problem is that too many of you are too invested in the VB ‘hero’ theory to be able to wind back and acknowledge the reality….

Blinded by bull shit !
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TBH Dazzle we would have paid any price to get rid of the odious ones ,if it meant he (VB) got all his money so be it ,a price worth paying and look at what we have now .🥳
 
rockontommy said:
Money launderer who stripped the club of the exact same amount of cash that the Os
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You can’t get away with that comment
If you had said that about the Oyston’s they would have taken you to Court - never say anything you can’t prove

I went to the Court case OO v VB andtbh I wouldn’t trust either of them but because he VB could afford the ris, he was able took them on - no other ‘normal person’ could

I wished he’d put his ‘winnings’ back into the Club but are we really in a worse place without him (VB) and that money ?

He (VB) got what a UK Court thought fair and we got an ontcome we could scarcely have thought possible

We BFC are in a good place and let’s thank our lucky stars for that - I think VB tried and achieved a lot for the Club and with a more prominent role could have done more - he essentially was working with a very strange and unpleasant character acting in a manner some might compare to Putin

Roll on Stoke, a great day out and something to take home
 
There’s some extreme statements amongst all of this. I never got near to meeting Val but did with Owen (I didn’t like him. Easy to say, eh?)
I am positive that there are posters on avftt who have known both. I can only think of Wiz for example and I would trust his appraisal.
Any thoughts Wiz? Anyone else on here who went on any of the Latvia jaunts? Your threeh’pth please.
 
SeasideKurt said:
But you're removing multiple points in all of this. Short memory and very weird and one of the most peculiar takes of this I've read.

Almost every single pro-active investment was funded by Valeri, he put his money where his mouth is, he injected positivity into this club.

So, rightly so, when someone tries to fist you out of millions of pounds that your investment was the reason they gained that money. I'd be walking off into the sunset too.

He didn't get given the option of being given the club, which he would have taken plus money.
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Just on your last paragraph I’m not sure that’s right.

With the type of legal action VB brought the court has a pretty wide discretion on what it can order. In theory (although unusual) that could have included an order that OO sell his shares to VB. From memory (always dangerous given my age!) I’m pretty sure VB made it clear early doors that the order he wanted was the reverse ie that OO buy his shares at a price fixed by the court. And that’s obviously what he got.

That left the fans hoping that, rather than spend the money, OO would sell the club. Obviously it turned out slightly different to that scenario as the sale wasn’t voluntary, but we were pretty lucky not to be left with the Os. And that was always the danger. In fact I remember some fans were very worried that was what the receiver intended to do.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Of course he will have been paid in full…. Unfortunately people can’t see past the “The enemy of my enemy…..” concept.

As I’ve said on here before, from what so witnessed, VB wasn’t interested to do much to help us until a certain oversized individual contacted him to speak guest there may be a way to get his money back…. All of a sudden after that VB went into PR overdrive.

In my view he leveraged the anti Oyston sentiment and gained the support of the fans.

The problem is that too many of you are too invested in the VB ‘hero’ theory to be able to wind back and acknowledge the reality….

Blinded by bull shit !
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Isn't the guy literally trained to infiltrate and manipulate groups of people? I am sure that was his specialism when with the KGB. But our local small businessmen and informal committee members are far too clever to fall for that, I am sure 🙄
Camberwell1 said:
You can’t get away with that comment
If you had said that about the Oyston’s they would have taken you to Court - never say anything you can’t prove

I went to the Court case OO v VB andtbh I wouldn’t trust either of them but because he VB could afford the ris, he was able took them on - no other ‘normal person’ could

I wished he’d put his ‘winnings’ back into the Club but are we really in a worse place without him (VB) and that money ?

He (VB) got what a UK Court thought fair and we got an ontcome we could scarcely have thought possible

We BFC are in a good place and let’s thank our lucky stars for that - I think VB tried and achieved a lot for the Club and with a more prominent role could have done more - he essentially was working with a very strange and unpleasant character acting in a manner some might compare to Putin

Roll on Stoke, a great day out and something to take home
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Prove what? That he's a money launderer? You've only got to Google his bank and money laundering to see they've been fined by the EU for this. And there's the French court decision. When investing in the club, he was bankrolled by Maxim Bakiyev and documents prove this. Believe what you want to believe but I am only delivering the facts.
 
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