Turning point that

Wizaard said:
Madine missed a sitter early on and I'm still not sure why our goal was disallowed. They go in and it's a completely different game.
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But would you not agree Wiz that this is the line after every game? No team is that unlucky.

Madine should have buried that, it was disallowed for ‘ afoul on the keeper’ which wasn’t a foul but you know how keepers are protected these days.

But then if we’re playing the ifs and buts game, you say if the Wimbledon lad had played that through ball to the lads feet we’d be two down, if Maxwell had made a first class save from Pigott we’d have been two down.

It goes deeper than ifs and buts, there’s something fundamentally wrong with our squad at the moment. Ifs and buts shouldn’t define your season.
 
Rektseasider said:
Again mostly agree,

but where I’ll disagree is I don’t think any one player just dropped in this system and style will do anything. I think we’ve already tried that and it hasn’t worked out.

I honestly feel we need a big overhaul even at this stage to save the season.
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That's the conclusion I've come to. ** it to Gaz worked better than pass, stop, pass, stop, pass, go back, pass, stop.

In conclusion. The new tactics are '** it at Gaz'
 
Costero Poderoso said:
im not sure its a player we have seen so far this year, there needs to be a focal point to the team, maybe a more mature player, i think most would say a charlie adam, but personally i would say a GTF, or even a keith southern. Someone with a bit of nous on the pitch, to calm them down or gee them up when needed
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You know, I think we’ve actually got the players in the squad, Madine or Sarkic for instance. Even Robson in the middle.

I feel we’re spectacularly misusing the squad we have.
 
hertfordseasider said:
They were unlucky not to come out with something from that tonight, they played for each other second half. I wouldn't mind betting the 2 red cards will be rescinded too, which will go to show what a damaging effect shit officials can have on a game.
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I will bet they are not rescinded...ref was too close to the first one with a perfect view and I reckon Ballard was probably a bit stupid...why else would the 4th official get involved?
 
Rektseasider said:
You know, I think we’ve actually got the players in the squad, Madine or Sarkic for instance. Even Robson in the middle.

I feel we’re spectacularly misusing the squad we have.
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I would agree with that last statement. i could even be convinced on the first but there is something missing, and it seems to be fundamental.

maybe tonight the players might start to gel a bit better rather than being 11 individual players - who knows
 
Rektseasider said:
You know, I think we’ve actually got the players in the squad, Madine or Sarkic for instance. Even Robson in the middle.

I feel we’re spectacularly misusing the squad we have.
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We've got the players. We played with two men down and created chances. We've got a good target man, a player who is as fast as anything I've ever seen, some decent centre halves and when they're fit, the makings of a good midfield. Throw in a bucket load of decent wing backs/wingers and Sullay and there's a set of decent players.

If Critchley is to succeed, it's down to him to go - 'there, that last 15/20 minutes, when you just said 'fuck it' and went for it - that's how we play from now on. We attack, we scare teams and we fanny about less. You take responsiblity and you take people on.'
 
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TANGERINETOWERPOWER said:
I will bet they are not rescinded...ref was too close to the first one with a perfect view and I reckon Ballard was probably a bit stupid...why else would the 4th official get involved?
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just because the ref was close doesnt mean he got it right but i agree i dont think they will be rescinded even if they do appeal, and 4th ooficials are almost always wrong they cant even time the game properly so that time wasting is penalised.😀
 
Rektseasider said:
But would you not agree Wiz that this is the line after every game? No team is that unlucky.

Madine should have buried that, it was disallowed for ‘ afoul on the keeper’ which wasn’t a foul but you know how keepers are protected these days.

But then if we’re playing the ifs and buts game, you say if the Wimbledon lad had played that through ball to the lads feet we’d be two down, if Maxwell had made a first class save from Pigott we’d have been two down.

It goes deeper than ifs and buts, there’s something fundamentally wrong with our squad at the moment. Ifs and buts shouldn’t define your season.
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Some teams are that unlucky but not for a season. That's why Phil's comment is apposite. I take far more from this performance than last Saturday.
 
I'd say the were better than MK Dons and we played better tonight than we did against MK - Saturday was two bald men fighting over a comb and we managed to grab it. Tonight was a game of football and now I've calmed down a bit, it is certainly true that we didn't have the luck - regardless of other games, tonight we didn't and we did produce a bit more going forward. It's all a bit straw clutching tbf!
 
I've said it before, but Critchley desperately needs to abandon this blind faith in 4-3-3. It doesn't work with these players. If us fans can see it, why can't the bloke who has the highest coaching badge see it?
 
Wizaard said:
Some teams are that unlucky but not for a season. That's why Phil's comment is apposite. I take far more from this performance than last Saturday.
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I personally thought the first 70 odd minutes we just as abject as most of the performances.

I think the last 15 with 9 men actually showed we have some half decent players, who have pride and a bit of grit.

I guess the question is can Critch use them properly?

I’d say it’s looking less and less likely.
 
southshore said:
Here's an idea. On Saturday we start with 9 men. We know we can hold our own with 9. After 30 minutes, bring on a 10th, and then with 15 minutes to go the 11th.

We will walk it,
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That assumes we have no one sent off in the meantime! That ref tonight was aa absolute joke. Kemp got taken out three times and all the ref did was call the captain over and give the player a lecture. EKP gets booked for a nothing foul and then the sendings off, it was difficult to see from the camera angle but in the Robson challenge he looked like he couldn't wait to get the red card out.
 
Martonmosser said:
Interesting Clappers 👍🏼 There was certainly a more direct approach than all the sideways and backwards passing
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Tbf mosser there were a lot of men on the pitch in a white shirt to pass to. 😂
Not really ideal to be playing the ball about in that instance.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Well done lads battling performance with 9 men and a bent ref

Actually proud of that 2nd half

In 6 months time we will be looking back saying the season changed at Wimbledon away

Critch will stay as the board have backed him, not a chance he will go

Nice to see some fire in the belly
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Phil_bfc deux said:
Well done lads battling performance with 9 men and a bent ref

Actually proud of that 2nd half

In 6 months time we will be looking back saying the season changed at Wimbledon away

Critch will stay as the board have backed him, not a chance he will go

Nice to see some fire in the belly
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Seriously Phil one question where's the goals coming from??
Bet you can't answer that one 😉
 
I’m not buying into this he’s lost the dressing room, I’m pretty sure we have said that on here for the last 3 or 4 managers. What he’s lost is the fans and the players confidence with it.
 
Scaramanga said:
I’m not buying into this he’s lost the dressing room, I’m pretty sure we have said that on here for the last 3 or 4 managers. What he’s lost is the fans and the players confidence with it.
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Its a bollux statement based on absolutely fuck all

Like it was with Grayson and Terry Mc
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Well done lads battling performance with 9 men and a bent ref

Actually proud of that 2nd half

In 6 months time we will be looking back saying the season changed at Wimbledon away

Critch will stay as the board have backed him, not a chance he will go

Nice to see some fire in the belly
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I was actually thinking similar towards the end of the game. It can be the case that when a team suffers adversity and is forced to accept it is in a battle and has to dig really deep and get angry about decisions etc it can be the start of a unified and determined climb out of the big hole it has dug for itself. Hopefully a sense of all being in it together will emerge, and loyalty to the coach. Everyone working very hard to pull the team up out of this situation. That's what needs to happen in my opinion, not another new start at great expense with people who will be put under massive pressure again within a few weeks by people who want everything right now, served up on a silver platter paid for by a rich bloke.

Maybe the people who want another new manager could set up a fund to pay for it all. Rather than deciding how to spend someone else's money two or three times a year. That would be much more honourable behaviour!
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Really don't understand all the anger after last night

I'm really not sure what people expected
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I think there were some positives and it wasnt the worst performance of the season. However we cannot keep making mistakes in games and expect to win. We are fast becoming Blackpool nil. Four shots on target last night is an improvement but have we had 20 shots on target all season? You seem to be setting the bar pretty low and I want to see better than losing 1-0 at Wimbledon
 
By the way the ref was less than a yard away from Robsons challenge and nobody in the stadium had a better view of it so I dont know how we can argue about it. In the modern game there is always a danger you will be dismissed for that kind of challenge and you have to assume the ref saw malice in it. I havent watched Ballards yet.
 
TANGERINETOWERPOWER said:
I think there were some positives and it wasnt the worst performance of the season. However we cannot keep making mistakes in games and expect to win. We are fast becoming Blackpool nil. Four shots on target last night is an improvement but have we had 20 shots on target all season? You seem to be setting the bar pretty low and I want to see better than losing 1-0 at Wimbledon
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It was obvious that the start of this season was going to be a struggle

I never pay attention to friendly game results

The simple fact is we have 17 new players and a new inexperienced head coach

My view is we should never have gone down this route but now we have we need to hold our nerve
 
We both want the team to be successful I have no doubt about that...my concern is his inability to adapt and making the same mistakes week in week out isnt great. We can only blame the referees and our bad luck for so long... I expected defeats but not some of the abject performances
 
We don't even look like scoring. Madine header and CJ shots x 2. Bar that, the rest was tame and limp.

The players he has, he sets up wrong. He should be playing 3-5-2.

Maxwell

Marv/Turton Ballard Gretarsson/Husband

Gabriel/How Virtue/Ward Dougall Robson Mitchell/Garbutt

Madine CJ/Yates

You can move a midfielder behind the strikers at home for say Kaikai or Woodburn and away have a central three. Allowing Robson and Virtue to get forward.
 
td53 said:
That's the conclusion I've come to. ** it to Gaz worked better than pass, stop, pass, stop, pass, go back, pass, stop.

In conclusion. The new tactics are '** it at Gaz'
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Shame it's not ** it at Gnands. At least he scored occasionally 😉
 
TANGERINETOWERPOWER said:
We both want the team to be successful I have no doubt about that...my concern is his inability to adapt and making the same mistakes week in week out isnt great. We can only blame the referees and our bad luck for so long... I expected defeats but not some of the abject performances
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I'd rather he perfected a system than chopped and changed it every couple of games to meet the demands of posters on AVFTT.

I think most of the problems on the pitch right now are psychological. We started out the season with a bit of swagger. The attack couldn't score so it's all drained away. The big question for me is about re-establishing confidence. It's the big test for Critchley, but he needs everyone to pull together too. We can actually match Wimbledon with only 9 players on the pitch, so with the same attitude and 11 players we should be able to give any League One side a game, in theory. Hopefully a switch flicked in the collective psyche last night - and we will battle like that in future before the red cards kick in.
 
voyeur said:
I'd rather he perfected a system than chopped and changed it every couple of games to meet the demands of posters on AVFTT.

I think most of the problems on the pitch right now are psychological. We started out the season with a bit of swagger. The attack couldn't score so it's all drained away. The big question for me is about re-establishing confidence. It's the big test for Critchley, but he needs everyone to pull together too. We can actually match Wimbledon with only 9 players on the pitch, so with the same attitude and 11 players we should be able to give any League One side a game, in theory. Hopefully a switch flicked in the collective psyche last night - and we will battle like that in future before the red cards kick in.
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Yep

I agree with that, 2nd half chasing the game with 9 men we played well

Granted it was more direct and a higher tempo

But it was better

I never did understand the local journo and his plan b is make plan a better comments
 
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The effort, desire and determination of the nine left on the pitch was actually outstanding and is exactly the level of performance we need with 11. Because if they play like that with 11, we will win more than we lose without doubt.
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I think we may just go on a very good run now.
 
SeasideKurt said:
We don't even look like scoring. Madine header and CJ shots x 2. Bar that, the rest was tame and limp.

The players he has, he sets up wrong. He should be playing 3-5-2.

Maxwell

Marv/Turton Ballard Gretarsson/Husband

Gabriel/How Virtue/Ward Dougall Robson Mitchell/Garbutt

Madine CJ/Yates

You can move a midfielder behind the strikers at home for say Kaikai or Woodburn and away have a central three. Allowing Robson and Virtue to get forward.
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No ..

3 at the back would expose our weak wing backs even more
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
We don't have a divine right to beat any team

Its competitive football
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100%, some of the comments on Wimbledon yesterday and today have been disrespectful.

I saw Wimbledon as a team who had a good shape in defence, a midfield who worked for each other and closed the ball down and forwards with movement who kept our defence on their toes. And their keeper looked half decent. They basically looked a functional team, something we are not.

I saw a remark who compared them to 'dogshit', who do we think we are?
 
Ghosts of Electricity said:
100%, some of the comments on Wimbledon yesterday and today have been disrespectful.

I saw Wimbledon as a team who had a good shape in defence, a midfield who worked for each other and closed the ball down and forwards with movement who kept our defence on their toes. And their keeper looked half decent. They basically looked a functional team, something we are not.

I saw a remark who compared them to 'dogshit', who do we think we are?
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They were ** rubbish let's face it. They were. They had absolutely nothing about them bar a bit of organisation. Not a single stand out player.

We don't have a divine right to beat anyone, that's absolutely true. But I have a divine right to moan when we play absolutely atrociously against the two worst teams in the division.
 
Can't see us going to 5 at the back for the foreseeable now that we've lost Ballard for 3 games.
Gretarsson likely to replace him, and maybe Husband at left back.
Mitchell is having a torrid time defensively, something is gonna have to change until Garbutt is back in contention.
 
SeasideKurt said:
They were ** rubbish let's face it. They were. They had absolutely nothing about them bar a bit of organisation. Not a single stand out player.

We don't have a divine right to beat anyone, that's absolutely true. But I have a divine right to moan when we play absolutely atrociously against the two worst teams in the division.
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They weren't rubbish at all. Admittedly I'd be surprised if they remain top half though.

Everyone has the right to moan, I didn't say otherwise.

We are different, I have a bit of respect for people and teams to refer to them as dogshit.
 
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