Training Ground

Training Ground

Apologies if already posted but the planning application for the new training ground is under Wyre Borough council in the planning application section in tonight’s gazette.
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tangerine_neil said:
The O’s made plenty of planning applications. It’s just that all were eventually withdrawn. 🫤 Strange they often came out around ST renewal time. Not forgetting the Wyndyke super stadium complete with sliding pitch. 🤥
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Consider this.

2 houses on the same street. Identical in every way. Both for sale. One has PP for an extension and a loft conversion, the other doesn't. Which one is worth more? And for little cost.
 
We got to the Prem without a Gucci training ground, I recall.

Sir Stan trained on the beach and he was quite handy.

Yes, good facilities are important but they are not always make-or-break.

Reading have an all-singing-all-dancing training facility but they are in debt and in the same division as us.

I would rather more money was spent on players myself but what do I or anyone else on here know for certain?
 
tangerine_neil said:
The O’s made plenty of planning applications. It’s just that all were eventually withdrawn. 🫤 Strange they often came out around ST renewal time. Not forgetting the Wyndyke super stadium complete with sliding pitch.
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I think the one for the ATM in the Board Room was submitted circa 18.00hrs 22.05.2010. 😄
 
Theoneandonly said:
Ok let me rephrase for you. Buy poolsfoot save money offset by renting time for Fleetwood to train. Happier now?
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Yes. Much better. Thank you.

And what makes you think AP would sell for a lower price just so FT can continue there. If he was to sell he'd want to max the sale price.

Plus I doubt if its big enough to share anyway.
 
Permission granted followed by boots on the ground is what I’m looking for. I’m not holding my breath.
 
fcblackpool said:
Yes. Much better. Thank you.

And what makes you think AP would sell for a lower price just so FT can continue there. If he was to sell he'd want to max the sale price.

Plus I doubt if its big enough to share anyway.
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Because the facility has limited sale ability, he has cashflow challenges and Fleetwood was a vanity project not a viable long term business proposition. Sharing is just a matter of scheduling.
 
Insider said:
The point of spending on it is its part of the long term project to becoming an established Championship side.
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You spend on this when you have the monies for being in the championship in your bank account. Then it’s a calculated gamble in deference to being a reckless gamble. Until football adopts sane financial practices the academy part is also something that looks better on paper than it delivers in reality. The training ground part is good for attracting players to our club it’s not a miracle cure for mediocrity or a guarantee of success.
 
Theoneandonly said:
You spend on this when you have the monies for being in the championship in your bank account. Then it’s a calculated gamble in deference to being a reckless gamble. Until football adopts sane financial practices it’s also something that looks better on paper than it delivers in reality.
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I'm pretty sure our Chairman, who knows a fair bit about finance and financial risk and also has a good idea how much he has in his bank account, has thought about this.
He certainly hasn't rushed into it.
 
Insider said:
I'm pretty sure our Chairman, who knows a fair bit about finance and financial risk and also has a good idea how much he has in his bank account, has thought about this.
He certainly hasn't rushed into it.
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You’re right nothing built yet so no meaningful monies spent. Let’s hope his thoughts are on lessons learned from our needless relegation last season.
 
fcblackpool said:
Consider this.

2 houses on the same street. Identical in every way. Both for sale. One has PP for an extension and a loft conversion, the other doesn't. Which one is worth more? And for little cost.
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Yeah… but this isn’t a house with PP though and it’s fairly unlikely anyone else is in the market for a football training ground 😂
 
Theoneandonly said:
You spend on this when you have the monies for being in the championship in your bank account. Then it’s a calculated gamble in deference to being a reckless gamble. Until football adopts sane financial practices the academy part is also something that looks better on paper than it delivers in reality. The training ground part is good for attracting players to our club it’s not a miracle cure for mediocrity or a guarantee of success.
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Completely wrong.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
Yeah… but this isn’t a house with PP though and it’s fairly unlikely anyone else is in the market for a football training ground 😂
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I think he is alluding to the fact that the club will be worth more money with a training ground with PP approval rather than without.
 
It'll be great when just one of these big projects has begun and then is completed, eaat or TG, as until then we'll always have the seen it all before people, still seemingly scarred from the previous owners.

Then SS will have something real and tangible in the bank that is undeniable.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
Completely wrong.
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No actually completely right. You don‘t spend money (asset) on a non revenue generating liability (training ground) until it makes sense in regard to your incoming revenues. Job one is promotion, increase crowds, develop talent to sell on which we have a long tradition of doing so, and then with increased revenue one can build a new training ground, which if it had been done correctly would have been a community asset paid in part for by the council.
 
JJpool said:
It'll be great when just one of these big projects has begun and then is completed, eaat or TG, as until then we'll always have the seen it all before people, still seemingly scarred from the previous owners.

Then SS will have something real and tangible in the bank that is undeniable.
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People get so confused as to what an asset is. An asset generates income. You build a nice stand and have a crap team that get’s relegated apart from staging concerts and events those seats are not an asset but a liability demanding the cost of upkeep but generating no revenues. When we got promoted the Oyston’s had a chance to do something good and greed and myopia ensured they blew it.
 
Theoneandonly said:
People get so confused as to what an asset is. An asset generates income. You build a nice stand and have a crap team that get’s relegated apart from staging concerts and events those seats are not an asset but a liability demanding the cost of upkeep but generating no revenues. When we got promoted the Oyston’s had a chance to do something good and greed and myopia ensured they blew it.
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The east will be happening as its linked to the Council's time frame and wider development.

It's also much needed, only in the last 2 seasons did it limit us in a bigger game and we're at thr start of our growth.

It gives us more usable capacity.

I think people underestimate the proper club feel too, we've got used to the east but it looks poor tbh. That why when you watch from the east looking at the stadium that way, it's far superior. It'll only help attract newer fans to a completed stadium.

We're building for decades in the future and to be able to accommodate the bigger crowds when they are there hopefully. If we can't accommodate them when needed then we miss the chances to grow.

So these 2 projects are critical to the long term plan. Of course though we want as much money as possible going into the team, but it's not like if we don't build them we'll spend that money on players, we'll still operate within a budget.
 
The East will get done because by law it has to be done. But people come to game to be entertained and out of tradition. Kids grow up and develop their own interests but like food at a dinner table, no matter what you can come to a game and share a communal experience. It’s a big deal and I might be biased but for me BFC is friends, family, joy, disappointment, anticipation and surprises. It is time well spent and memories for a lifetime.
 
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