Suella Braverman!

According to Braverman...

“Earlier today, I sent an official document from my personal email to a trusted parliamentary colleague as part of policy engagement, and with the aim of garnering support for government policy on migration.

"This constitutes a technical infringement of the rules. As you know, the document was a draft Written Ministerial Statement about migration, due for publication imminently. Much of it had already been briefed to MPs. Nevertheless it is right for me to go.”

It sounds like she either engineered her own departure or was given a convenient excuse to make for her sacking. Either way, I think Hunt insisted on her removal.
 
Archibald Knox said:
According to Braverman...

“Earlier today, I sent an official document from my personal email to a trusted parliamentary colleague as part of policy engagement, and with the aim of garnering support for government policy on migration.

"This constitutes a technical infringement of the rules. As you know, the document was a draft Written Ministerial Statement about migration, due for publication imminently. Much of it had already been briefed to MPs. Nevertheless it is right for me to go.”

It sounds like she either engineered her own departure or was given a convenient excuse to make for her sacking. Either way, I think Hunt insisted on her removal.
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Yep.

She’s just posted her resignation letter on Twitter. It talks about accepting responsibility for mistakes (and resigning) and is a clear criticism of Truss - who has admitted making mistakes but who hasn’t resigned.
 
technical infringement of parliamentary rules is a cause for resignation, but breaking international human rights law and claiming that her dreams are to commit acts which break international human rights codes is ok. What an utter ****.

Replaced by someone who was running a Ponzi scheme under a false name even after he arrived in the commons.

where do they drag these people in from.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Yep.

She’s just posted her resignation letter on Twitter. It talks about accepting responsibility for mistakes (and resigning) and is a clear criticism of Truss - who has admitted making mistakes but who hasn’t resigned.
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“She added: "The business of government relies upon people accepting responsibility for their mistakes.

"Pretending we haven't made mistakes, carrying on as if everyone can't see that we have made them, and hoping that things will magically come right is not serious politics."”

You can’t get much more of a direct criticism than that.

👍
 
It might be funny but it's becoming a piss take this. We've got the most miserable situation I've known in my life and whilst not all of that is the fault of the Tories, we've not had a functional government for months and what's to blame for that is the factional infighting of the Tory party and not the secret woke coalition of invisible trannny Marxists who only eat windfall apples and glue themselves to neo natal units to kill babies.

4 chancellors in 4 months, two lame duck PMs in a row and now a home secretary being binned off out of the blue.

There's a proper job to do here and they're fundamentally not doing it.
 
BBC reporting : The first related to the use of a personal email account and the second to the sending of a government document to someone not authorised to receive it.

The comment is that it contained Market Sensitive information. Is this the smoking gun re the Hedge Funds making a killing?
 
We're going through a situation where people are talking about not being able to afford to cook or drive or heat their homes and they're ** about.

They don't give a fuck. Rees-Mogg will probably be about sooner or later saying "now, now, now, let's not get carried away with it all. Everyone is working jolly hard"
 
At this point... may I respectfully say how much I admire Queen Elizabeth I I.... having only met Liz Truss once..😉
 
Tangerinemoss said:
BBC reporting : The first related to the use of a personal email account and the second to the sending of a government document to someone not authorised to receive it.

The comment is that it contained Market Sensitive information. Is this the smoking gun re the Hedge Funds making a killing?
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Wow so Neville Chamberlain got away with waving that piece of paper in front of loads of people in 1938 and telling them all about what was on it!🤔
 
td53 said:
We're going through a situation where people are talking about not being able to afford to cook or drive or heat their homes and they're ** about.

They don't give a fuck. Rees-Mogg will probably be about sooner or later saying "now, now, now, let's not get carried away with it all. Everyone is working jolly hard"
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He's in the HoC at the moment, explaining why we will keep discussing fracking until the Government gets an answer it likes.
 
basilrobbie3 said:
He's in the HoC at the moment, explaining why we will keep discussing fracking until the Government gets an answer it likes.
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Interesting that they're making this a notional confidence vote - big test for Blackpool Mps as to whether they will do more than just talk about local feeling on fracking.
 
td53 said:
Interesting that they're making this a notional confidence vote - big test for Blackpool Mps as to whether they will do more than just talk about local feeling on fracking.
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Menzies spoke earlier. Supports the motion, but says he will probably vote against because he doesn't like the way Labour have "hijacked the Order Paper". Which is the official line, I think.
 
td53 said:
Interesting that they're making this a notional confidence vote - big test for Blackpool Mps as to whether they will do more than just talk about local feeling on fracking.
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Yes, very interesting that it’s a three-line whip, allowing no room for local feelings. Hunt/Truss/Mogg must be concerned there could be a large number of rebels on this issue. It looks like the Govt is going to stitch up our local Tory MPs one way or another.
 
Braverman is pure culture war. Absolutely horror bag, should never be within a million miles of govt let alone Home Secretary, good riddance you pathetic excuse for a human being.
 
basilrobbie3 said:
Menzies spoke earlier. Supports the motion, but says he will probably vote against because he doesn't like the way Labour have "hijacked the Order Paper". Which is the official line, I think.
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Were saying on radio a couple of Tories have publically said will vote against and more expected to follow...

It seems a bit weak to me to put some Westminster party v party points ahead of one of the emotive issues of your constituents...
 
td53 said:
Were saying on radio a couple of Tories have publically said will vote against and more expected to follow...

It seems a bit weak to me to put some Westminster party v party points ahead of one of the emotive issues of your constituents...
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Rock and a hard place springs to mind.

Vote for fracking and you alienate a lot of your voters.

Vote against fracking and you won’t be standing as a Tory MP anyway.

Only two options I suppose.

Vote for fracking and bang on about “local consent” in the hope some voters fall for it.

Vote against fracking and hope the threats are all
piss and water or alternatively that everything changes in the near future and you’re forgiven by the new regime.

No charge for this advice Lost.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Rock and a hard place springs to mind.

Vote for fracking and you alienate a lot of your voters.

Vote against fracking and you won’t be standing as a Tory MP anyway.

Only two options I suppose.

Vote for fracking and bang on about “local consent” in the hope some voters fall for it.

Vote against fracking and hope the threats are all
piss and water or alternatively that everything changes in the near future and you’re forgiven by the new regime.

No charge for this advice Lost.
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They can't remove the whip from 40 or 50 of them can they? Isn't it also up to local associations who they select?
 
td53 said:
They can't remove the whip from 40 or 50 of them can they? Isn't it also up to local associations who they select?
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Well they can in theory although it’d be pretty stupid.

I’m not sure whether the local association gets to choose the list of candidates or is just presented with it by Tory HQ.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Well they can in theory although it’d be pretty stupid.

I’m not sure whether the local association gets to choose the list of candidates or is just presented with it by Tory HQ.
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They would lose whatever hope of governing by consensus they still have if they did. Which is why MPs like Skidmore and Crouch have said they will vote with Labour.

Scott Benton speaking now, following the same line as Menzies.
 
Jeremy Hunt came out of a meeting with the 1922 committee and was asked if he was now the de facto prime minister, he said, wouldn’t that be wonderful. Looks like the end is nigh for Liz.
 
td53 said:
They can't remove the whip from 40 or 50 of them can they? Isn't it also up to local associations who they select?
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The PM can withdraw the Conservative whip from any MP s(he) likes. It’s a temporary expulsion from the Party pending a hearing and/or appeal or subsequent reversal. The Local Association does not have a say. The Central Con Cmmtte can impose anyone they want as a replacement.

Bozo suspended 21 Europhile MPs in the autumn of 2019 to prevent them standing for re-election in December as Conservatives, inc Ken Clarke, in order to force Brexit through. Most of the older ones simply retired. That was when the far-right/ERG seized control of the Party from the One-Nation Tories.
 
Archibald Knox said:
The PM can withdraw the Conservative whip from any MP s(he) likes. It’s a temporary expulsion from the Party pending a hearing and/or appeal or subsequent reversal. The Local Association does not have a say.

Bozo suspended a dozen or more Europhile MPs in the autumn of 2019 to prevent them standing for re-election in December as Conservatives, inc Ken Clarke. Most of the older ones simply retired. That was when the far-right/ERG seized control of the Party from the One-Nation Tories.
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And this is the One Nation Tories seizing it back.

Rumour the Chief Whip has just resigned.

Rishi just seems to be filling all the important offices prior to LT’s resignation and his coronation.

No doubt Big Dog is harbouring hopes of a come back.
 
You mean Fat Slob I think. He was happy to engineer a Truss win to become PM , knowing shed almost make him look good in comparison.I think the one nation tories are long gone.
 
Archibald Knox said:
The PM can withdraw the Conservative whip from any MP s(he) likes. It’s a temporary expulsion from the Party pending a hearing and/or appeal or subsequent reversal. The Local Association does not have a say. The Central Con Cmmtte can impose anyone they want as a replacement.

Bozo suspended 21 Europhile MPs in the autumn of 2019 to prevent them standing for re-election in December as Conservatives, inc Ken Clarke, in order to force Brexit through. Most of the older ones simply retired. That was when the far-right/ERG seized control of the Party from the One-Nation Tories.
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Ok, ta. I know the labour process makes it more difficult but I also guess that were MPs to vote on principle and perhaps disassociate themselves from the Tory brand, they might stand more of a chance than if they stand on a platform that looks to be collapsing and demonstrably go against the will of their constituents...

At the moment, I think Labour are in a strong position because 'not Tories' as opposed to a particularly strong desire amongst people to vote Labour and an experienced independent with proven principles could be attractive to some voters...
 
According to the Socialist Workers Party News. Truss was barracked as she went through the Lobby and forgot to vote herself! Apparently the deputy Whip Craig Whittaker said ‘I’m ** furious and don’t give a fuck anymore!‘ Also ministers accused of physically pushing MPs into the voting lobbies! This is so funny seeing as its The Times, that has actually reported this. How much longer can these assorted Clowns run our Country, we’re an embarrassment!
 
Levi501 said:
According to the Socialist Workers Party News. Truss was barracked as she went through the Lobby and forgot to vote herself! Apparently the deputy Whip Craig Whittaker said ‘I’m ** furious and don’t give a fuck anymore!‘ Also ministers accused of physically pushing MPs into the voting lobbies! This is so funny seeing as its The Times, that has actually reported this. How much longer can these assorted Clowns run our Country, we’re an embarrassment!
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To be honest I’m not sure we’re even an embarrassment any longer.

These days, for most countries, we’re a complete irrelevance. They just don’t care. They look at the chaos, the characters involved and aren’t surprised. They simply think “well what can you expect?”

That’s how low we’ve fallen in the last 12 years.
 
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