Hertsseasider
Well-known member
Akin to Follow the Science I guess
First take your dog whistle.Akin to Follow the Science I guess
So if the policy is a success, you'll vote Conservative?First take your dog whistle.
Blow.
He's made it clear that a failure to reduce the numbers will be on him, with reference to I've been thinking, my policy etc etc..
Remember that next year when it's election time.
I've never had an issue with people coming in. We have a million vacancies on the books, so they're not taking our jobs, as the myth go.So if the policy is a success, you'll vote Conservative?
Because they have good solidSomething has to be done about the volume of boats arriving and the organised gangs. I’m not sure this is the answer.
Whilst I can’t stand this Tory party, I also think people need to get more realistic when differentiating between genuiasylum seekers and economic migrants. We cannot carry on being a soft touch.
I think part of the issue is why are they coming through other safe European countries and bypassing seeking asylum there just to get here? They’re no longer in danger if they’re in France etc. so why risk everything on a dingy here?I've never had an issue with people coming in. We have a million vacancies on the books, so they're not taking our jobs, as the myth go.
The policy is heartless. Anyone coming in is immediately deported and can NEVER come back. If they're that desperate they will still try it.
I've never had an issue with people coming in. We have a million vacancies on the books, so they're not taking our jobs, as the myth go.
The policy is heartless. Anyone coming in is immediately deported and can NEVER come back. If they're that desperate they will still try it.
1. Language. Most migrants are able to speak English..I think part of the issue is why are they coming through other safe European countries and bypassing seeking asylum there just to get here? They’re no longer in danger if they’re in France etc. so why risk everything on a dingy here?
We still get a lot less than Germany and France.Well I’ve no issue if with immigration get the balance right on numbers and empathy/compassion. As the stats are showing, year on year, there’s exponential growth in the figures. You might not have an issue with the record 44k last year, or the larger figure next year, and the year after, and the year after if the trend continues (which it will, if we sit back and do nothing). But what is your ceiling? Are you happy with 100k a year or 200k or 500k? Or is your view that it’s an open door and any volume is ok?
Do you agree that if we allow anyone on boats in then we’ll only encourage more and more to come?
Is your position that you’re happy with them coming on boats only when we have job vacancies? That’s what you seem to suggest. What happens when there are low numbers of job vacancies? Will you then be against the illegal people smuggling or still ok with it?
I’m not dead against immigration. Far from it. I think we have to do our fair share. We need more legal routes. But wherever we draw the line, wherever we limit it , as we surely must, there will still be untold millions wanting to come to the UK. So I think it’s short sighted to think we can let anyone and everyone in because right now we have job vacancies.
It’s not evil or racist to want to manage our borders, as every country does. There’s ways to manage immigration but at the moment we aren’t managing it well. The answer to that isn’t to throw the doors wide open to all and sundry.
Apparently it’s nice there.When the first person actually gets sent to Rwanda, I will buy a nob end shirt.
Why do they all want to end up here though?I've never had an issue with people coming in. We have a million vacancies on the books, so they're not taking our jobs, as the myth go.
The policy is heartless. Anyone coming in is immediately deported and can NEVER come back. If they're that desperate they will still try it.
They don't ALL want to end up here, France has more asylum seekers than we do.Why do they all want to end up here though?
Nothing wrong in staying in France in my book.
We still get a lot less than Germany and France.
I haven't said its evil or racist, but this policy and announcement has been designed to target the racists at the next General Election. Bear in mind that it's this Governments entire fault that we've lost control of our borders. They've had 13 years to do something about it, tried all kinds of things with massive fanfares and each time with no results.
If they manage to get a dip in the figures they’ll be crowing about it, but this mess is entirely of their own making.
This is a direct consequence of government policy failure.You don’t have to be massively cynical to think this is a great distraction from unrest at home with the cost of living, and whilst this is in the news, strikes and unrest take a back seat. Also not a great leap to see this is also a way of shifting blame from Tory policies of the last 13 years, to ‘those people in boats are taking your jobs, pushing prices up, causing lack of housing’ etc, which is a dangerous path to go down.
Well right now there’s supposed to be around 25,000-30,000 in camps around Calais alone and I’m pretty dam sure everyone of them doesn't want to stay in France they are camped there for a reason and that reason is destination U.K.They don't ALL want to end up here, France has more asylum seekers than we do.
The reason why some want to come to the UK is possibly down to the points Herts makes above.
I thought a high proportion last year was from Albania, hence our recent agreement with that country.1. Language. Most migrants are able to speak English..
2. Families. Most migrants will have family connections in the UK.
3. The black economy. No ID card is required to work in the UK, there is an open market for work.
This is why they come here
That's my point. At least double the number we get do stop in France and claim asylum there.Why do they all want to end up here though?
Nothing wrong in staying in France in my book.
A million jobs in what?I've never had an issue with people coming in. We have a million vacancies on the books, so they're not taking our jobs, as the myth go.
The policy is heartless. Anyone coming in is immediately deported and can NEVER come back. If they're that desperate they will still try it.
Are there only jobs as chefs and nurses available?A million jobs in what?
You can hardly put a chef's or nurses uniform on those coming unskilled in a boat that takes years of training before even the language barrier even is crossed.
Over half the jobs will be skilled, references needed (I wouldn't employ someone without them) criminal checks etc.Are there only jobs as chefs and nurses available?
Industry wide, everyone is saying there is a labour shortage, particularly unskilled jobs.
I watched the documentary about the boat that sank in the channel with 27 people drowning. Well worth a watch, it puts faces to the demons. Many were Kurds, you know those who fought alongside western forces in Iraq, then we turned our back on them. What about Afgan translators who worked for western forces? A young lad was featured who was from Iraq he was younger than my son, his sister lived in the UK that was his reason he died at 23. Some speak good English that's their reason. I find it disgusting that we live in relative luxury but seem so be so opposed to others in desperate need. I'm sure there will be a lot of Turks living in tents at the minute thinking of escaping to a better life, would you object to them on the basis of being economic migrants? The east was destabilised by the west, Syria and other countries war torn. They must be desperate to travel 1000s of miles, often with young children, jump in a small boat risking their life. I admire their tenacity and sooner be associated with them than the fat fuck gammons who have taken over the country. The compassion shown by people here is embarrassing, the notion that we take huge numbers is completely false and they can go to any country of their choice and not the first destination. Its a tory deflection tactic and see it a a cheap vote winner. I'd also hazard a guess that we are nothing like a soft touch but I'd defer that subject to others.I think part of the issue is why are they coming through other safe European countries and bypassing seeking asylum there just to get here? They’re no longer in danger if they’re in France etc. so why risk everything on a dingy here?
Two main points are the gangs making a lot of money by promising people a better life, but also the fact I think we’re seen as a soft touch where housing and welfare etc is concerned.
Exactly, if these people are desperate enough to risk crossing the channel on a very dodgy dingy there sure as he'll aren't going to be put off by Rishy's dumbass law.I've never had an issue with people coming in. We have a million vacancies on the books, so they're not taking our jobs, as the myth go.
The policy is heartless. Anyone coming in is immediately deported and can NEVER come back. If they're that desperate they will still try it.
I watched the documentary about the boat that sank in the channel with 27 people drowning. Well worth a watch, it puts faces to the demons. Many were Kurds, you know those who fought alongside western forces in Iraq, then we turned our back on them. What about Afgan translators who worked for western forces? A young lad was featured who was from Iraq he was younger than my son, his sister lived in the UK that was his reason he died at 23. Some speak good English that's their reason. I find it disgusting that we live in relative luxury but seem so be so opposed to others in desperate need. I'm sure there will be a lot of Turks living in tents at the minute thinking of escaping to a better life, would you object to them on the basis of being economic migrants? The east was destabilised by the west, Syria and other countries war torn. They must be desperate to travel 1000s of miles, often with young children, jump in a small boat risking their life. I admire their tenacity and sooner be associated with them than the fat fuck gammons who have taken over the country. The compassion shown by people here is embarrassing, the notion that we take huge numbers is completely false and they can go to any country of their choice and not the first destination. Its a tory deflection tactic and see it a a cheap vote winner. I'd also hazard a guess that we are nothing like a soft touch but I'd defer that subject to others.
I believe they’re planning a walk-in one on VanuatuExactly, if these people are desperate enough to risk crossing the channel on a very dodgy dingy there sure as he'll aren't going to be put off by Rishy's dumbass law.
Also if they can't claim asylum if the cross on a dingy how so the claim asylum are the UK going to set up an asylum claims centre on French soil?
Based on what? Go look at the stats and they'll tell you that the most vacancies are in agriculture and hospitality.Over half the jobs will be skilled, references needed (I wouldn't employ someone without them) criminal checks etc.
Letting all and sundry is poor immigration and doesn't help the industry's that need staff.
The answer is to firstly stop demonising these people (that won't suit the govt) and have an honest debate about the subject. The west have a ticking time bomb with an aging population and plummeting birth rate, immigration is the only way to currently fill that stop gap. Freedom of movement did some of that but that didn't suit. We've descended into a populist government, silly agendas and slogans.Of course the vast majority of people have compassion for anyone drowning.
But you’re getting lost in the emotion of tragic cases and seemingly using those sorry souls as as justification to have open border migration.
Again, there’s no solutions in your post other than seemingly to let everyone in.
No the vast majority are not desperate. They’re making a calculated choice in the light of day to leave safe territory and pay thousands of euros to come here illegally.
Of course there’s more we can do. But with regards to Afghanistan, Hong Kong and Ukraine alone, we welcomed in hundreds of thousands of immigrants last year.
Most of those on the boats are young men wanting to forge a new life in the UK. A huge chunk of them are merely economic migrants. They’re not fleeing anything.
But you don’t mention that for some reason. Are the Albanians fleeing something? No. Not at all.
So yes it’s tragic and heart breaking for anyone losing their lives. But if you are defending the boat crossings then you’re actually saying it’s ok for potentially countless others to lose their lives in this way.
It’s illegal people smuggling. It’s mainly economic migration. We have to stop it. You don’t suggest any solution. You have no solution.
The answer is to firstly stop demonising these people (that won't suit the govt) and have an honest debate about the subject. The west have a ticking time bomb with an aging population and plummeting birth rate, immigration is the only way to currently fill that stop gap. Freedom of movement did some of that but that didn't suit. We've descended into a populist government, silly agendas and slogans.
Serco paid millions for putting them up and processing them. Amazing how so many politicians have shares in the company!Research Serco. They're funding them to live here.
‘This is just an immeasurably cruel policy directed at the most vulnerable people in language that is not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the 30s,’Gary L’s comments are a bit strange as I can’t recall from history restrictions on people trying to get into Germany I think lots of people were trying to get out.
Demonising minorities - Jews, Gypsies, Black People, Communists, Disabled.Gary L’s comments are a bit strange as I can’t recall from history restrictions on people trying to get into Germany I think lots of people were trying to get out.
By the way, I've no problem with Albanians being sent back. As far as I know there's no political suppression, and the UK already has an agreement with the Albanian Government.Arise Lord Lineker.
Will become a peer in the new Labour Government to recognise his service to humanity.
Well done Gary - we all know the Tory Government are just racists. They don't care about the people in the boats. They're just trying to garner votes from the ignoranti in the red wall seats.
Arise Lord Lineker.
Will become a peer in the new Labour Government to recognise his service to humanity.
Well done Gary - we all know the Tory Government are just racists. They don't care about the people in the boats. They're just trying to garner votes from the ignoranti in the red wall seats.
Didn't something happen a while ago which led to these shortages.
Two -thirds of the UK?Two thirds of the UK based on recent polls, want the boat crossings stopped and the illegal immigrants returned to where they came from.
But you’d rather listen to an extremist over-privileged multi millionaire gobshite that has no responsibility to the British public.
He will fit in well with all the other millionaire hypocrites in the Labour Party - with all its London elitist leaders. Now wonder it’s lost touch with the red wall.
It used to be for the working class. Not anymore
What don't you understand about 'based on recent polls?'Two -thirds of the UK?
That's over 44 million then. Did you personally count them?
Scapeboating.It's a deflection tactic to take our minds off inflation, cost of living crisis and energy prices.