ST sales

JJpool

JJpool

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So how many do we think we'll shift at those prices?

Hard to say really and feels like a bit of a missed opportunity to build on the end of season positivity with Dobbie and try and fill the stadium, retain most of what we had and add some new ones.

A lot of our local rivals clubs are cheaper or offer more extras.

However, we're Blackpool fans and what else will we do but watch the side trying to get promoted.

Despite recent negativity, a couple of positive announcements can turn it round.

So what do we think? How many will we sell?

Didn't we do around 6.5k before at this level and should have grown a bit since then, but the price is higer now. I'd be disappointed if we didn't pass that figure.
 
I honestly don’t think we will pass that figure this season. As yet 5 of us are undecided on whether to renew or not based on a few factors
The price
The manager
The recruitment of players
 
Yep, I'd say similar to the 6.5k, certainly not the same as last season, not just because of the relegation but also the many mistakes made at the top.
 
Love BFC🍊 said:
I honestly don’t think we will pass that figure this season. As yet 5 of us are undecided on whether to renew or not based on a few factors
The price
The manager
The recruitment of players
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That post doesn't really reflect your user name does it. I've seen us relegated 9 times and yes it is disappointing but I've always been there
at the first game the next season. I've also seen 8 promotions...such is the life of most football fans.
 
FessParker said:
That post doesn't really reflect your user name does it. I've seen us relegated 9 times and yes it is disappointing but I've always been there
at the first game the next season. I've also seen 8 promotions...such is the life of most football fans.
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I’ve always been there past 35 years too but after this last season we have decided to wait for now and see how the land lies
For example if critchley was re appointed it would be a NO from us 5
 
Love BFC🍊 said:
I honestly don’t think we will pass that figure this season. As yet 5 of us are undecided on whether to renew or not based on a few factors
The price
The manager
The recruitment of players
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I think there will be more like @Love BFC🍊 than not.
£350 is an investment nowadays especially for 5 people.
We know in League One there will always be seats available.
I must say recruitment of manager and players is key for me also because whilst I 100% support the team I was paying to be bored, frustrated and actually quite annoyed last season and only a good manager and good recruitment can change that.
 
Lee65 said:
Yep, I'd say similar to the 6.5k, certainly not the same as last season, not just because of the relegation but also the many mistakes made at the top.
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I think that would show a missed opportunity, as with a bit of effort, a good price, generating a buzz etc I think we could have retained most of what we had and added some new too.

Why is it other clubs can do these great deals, fill the stadium yet us with a fan owner haven't tried? It's one area I just don't get.
 
Dobbieknows said:
I'd imagine we will renew our 4 but I'm holding off at the minute and waiting to see who the manager is. If its a direct long ball merchant then I honestly will have a tough decision cos I just don't want to watch that type of football. If its Dobbie, Wellens or of that type then absolutely I will renew
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100% our feelings too
 
I'd take a guess at 5k to 5•5k . People I know and just by looking in the stadium towards the back end of last season had lost interest, the amount of times season tickets were offered betwwen mates for free and not taken up was plain to see.
The club and the hierarchy need to get bums on seats , people will only do that if they know the club mean business, all the silence and lack of action regarding a manager appointment is slowly strangling sales .
 
Our managerial appointments in the last four years haven't been good, and the next one will be a big indicator of not only our ambitions, but whether SS is able to learn from past mistakes. So I completely understand people being hesitant. A decent appointment will mean most people renewing I'd imagine.
 
Love BFC🍊 said:
I honestly don’t think we will pass that figure this season. As yet 5 of us are undecided on whether to renew or not based on a few factors
The price
The manager
The recruitment of players
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I think that's a fair position to take and it is a matter of each to their own.
A percentage of supporters (like us when we lived in Blackpool for 13 seasons - except of course the NAPM seasons) will renew whatever the situation, whilst others will consider the factors similar to what you have.
As exiles, taking a 6 year old, we now now have to be selective with our games.
 
JJpool said:
I think that would show a missed opportunity, as with a bit of effort, a good price, generating a buzz etc I think we could have retained most of what we had and added some new too.

Why is it other clubs can do these great deals, fill the stadium yet us with a fan owner haven't tried? It's one area I just don't get.
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You know that everytime you write this you are wasting your time.

It requires thought and you're not going to see that.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
It's not fickle

It's just a season ticket It's not like folk are going to start supporting Preston or anything
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tbh and this isn't their thinking, but it's better for the Club for everyone not to renew on the earlybird and then day 1 of full pricing announce Pep as manager, Messi and Haarland on loan (obviously we can't afford them perm) then get them sold.
 
We have always had a hardcore of approximately 4 / 4.5 K so that will be a minimum ST sales
There will be quite a few who will drop out simply because of the Division we are in, but, if we set off at a gallop and get a few early wins then some may return
Exactly the same with none season ticket holders.
I reckon first home game we might get 8k (home support) and then depending on results that could go up or down.
I certainly think the new manager will play a massive part in crowd attendance.
I understand to some degree those who are waiting to see who the new incumbent will be because I have in the past, when Barton was mentioned, said I will not go if he gets the job.
He is a horrible man who I absolutely detest so why be a hypocrite and go and support his team?
And before people decry me as not a loyal supporter I have followed BFC since I was 14 years of age and I am now 68.
I have seen us on the brink of re-election, I have seen numerous promotions and relegations, been to Cardiff and both new and old Wemblies and have really enjoyed the journey and it would certainly be a big wrench if that was to stop.
But hey, we all have our principles so don’t knock those who are deliberating.
 
Fatboy said:
My support isn’t conditional, the boycott was one thing ,and for reasons I don’t need to explain . Not watching my beloved club for four years has made sure my support is stronger than ever. Both my Son and Myself will be renewing regardless of who the manager is .
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I don't think it's about the manager, unless it's divisive, more about trust and trusting that things are being done to the best they possibly can be. I think that will lead a good number to see how it goes before renewing. With the e/bird offer finishing end of June, people won't rush.
 
fcblackpool said:
You know that everytime you write this you are wasting your time.

It requires thought and you're not going to see that.
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It seems so, but to me it just makes sense to what we need as a fanbase. Imagine seeing a full BR in league 1, way more ST than at this level in recent history.

Tbh if we get promotion then it will be full especially near the end, but we seem to not want to try and attract as many fans as possible by price, not as much as some other clubs do, bar our family stand, which is well priced, but only holds 800 and most can't go in there.

It's not like we've tried a low price strategy and it hasn't worked, we've never tried it.
 
JJpool said:
It seems so, but to me it just makes sense to what we need as a fanbase. Imagine seeing a full BR in league 1, way more ST than at this level in recent history.

Tbh if we get promotion then it will be full especially near the end, but we seem to not want to try and attract as many fans as possible by price, not as much as some other clubs do, bar our family stand, which is well priced, but only holds 800 and most can't go in there.

It's not like we've tried a low price strategy and it hasn't worked, we've never tried it.
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I know. Preaching to the converted.

It's basically formula pricing- just do whatever everyone else seems to do, ignoring local factors and where you are at the moment. Atm we are in a lowish place so price impacts that little bit more. They/he also seems to ignore the wealth gap in our own supporters- some would be happy to pay 500 if they were convinced it was justified/spent wisely, hence the Silver and Gold ST I suggested. Others 300 tops for L1.

Honestly, it would take half a dozen off here 1 day with access to all data to come up with 'proper pricing'. Frustrating because it's not that hard.
 
fcblackpool said:
I know. Preaching to the converted.

It's basically formula pricing- just do whatever everyone else seems to do, ignoring local factors and where you are at the moment. Atm we are in a lowish place so price impacts that little bit more. They/he also seems to ignore the wealth gap in our own supporters- some would be happy to pay 500 if they were convinced it was justified/spent wisely, hence the Silver and Gold ST I suggested. Others 300 tops for L1.

Honestly, it would take half a dozen off here 1 day with access to all data to come up with 'proper pricing'. Frustrating because it's not that hard.
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Yep lazy pricing structure again

Be lucky to sell 4k given last season and the lack of movement from the club
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Yep lazy pricing structure again

Be lucky to sell 4k given last season and the lack of movement from the club
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I think more than that, but sales will be slow partly because of the late deadline and waiting to see what happens. Problem is once people start to wait they become a little aloof to it all and just may not buy unless there is a WOW to perk them up.

Nowhere near 6.5k, somewhere over 5, maybe 5.5k.
 
fcblackpool said:
I think more than that, but sales will be slow partly because of the late deadline and waiting to see what happens. Problem is once people start to wait they become a little aloof to it all and just may not buy unless there is a WOW to perk them up.

Nowhere near 6.5k, somewhere over 5, maybe 5.5k.
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Before the Premier season under the Oystons we used to get between 4 an 6k

Be more like that I reckon

At that price they won't sell themselves and I can't see the club doing much in the way of marketing or PR

I can see club waiting until the early bird finishes before they appoint a manager at this rate

It's season ticket suicide
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Before the Premier season under the Oystons we used to get between 4 an 6k

Be more like that I reckon

At that price they won't sell themselves and I can't see the club doing much in the way of marketing or PR

I can see club waiting until the early bird finishes before they appoint a manager at this rate

It's season ticket suicide
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That would have been when VB came in? If so we had a boost from him. Even before him we had a situation of Engineered Stagnation- so not a massive downer, but not up either. As it stands now, I think there is a feel of it being a downer with no obvious sign of intent to up that.
 
fcblackpool said:
That would have been when VB came in? If so we had a boost from him. Even before him we had a situation of Engineered Stagnation- so not a massive downer, but not up either. As it stands now, I think there is a feel of it being a downer with no obvious sign of intent to up that.
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What should happen is probably a statement from the owner apologising for the season just gone and outlining plans for recovery

A new manager would also be handy along with a u turn on the plastic card issue and match day tickets

Won't be holding my breath though
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
What should happen is probably a statement from the owner apologising for the season just gone and outlining plans for recovery

A new manager would also be handy along with a u turn on the plastic card issue and match day tickets

Won't be holding my breath though
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As I said to JJ, that requires some thought- a commodity sadly lacking or flawed at best.

tbh I really can't undersatnd why SS hasn't said something. 2 mins to write a little speech, 1 min to deliver it as long as they can shut that fuxxxxg Mills up. Job done.
 
fcblackpool said:
As I said to JJ, that requires some thought- a commodity sadly lacking or flawed at best.

tbh I really can't undersatnd why SS hasn't said something. 2 mins to write a little speech, 1 min to deliver it as long as they can shut that fuxxxxg Mills up. Job done.
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The real question is who set the prices, BM surely did last time and is still here isn't he?
 
I think more important than the price will be a recruitment statement of intent, both manager and players. Frankly, I don't think we saw last summer any intent (on either count) to compete in the championship. One exciting manager appointment and one 'marquee' signing, and watch the season tickets get snapped up.
I've commented before on why the pricing is all wrong, or at least nowhere near imaginative enough, but even regardless of that if we get the first couple of recruitment decisions right, the fanbase will be buzzing because it would signal that success for us next season would be defined as promotion. As of now, I don't know what the club views as a successful campaign next season.
 
At the moment I’d say 5000. Good manager appointment and some decent signings before season starts and could see this going up to 6.5 K.

I’ll be astonished if we get a gate above 10k next season though
 
BFC_53 said:
I think more important than the price will be a recruitment statement of intent, both manager and players. Frankly, I don't think we saw last summer any intent (on either count) to compete in the championship. One exciting manager appointment and one 'marquee' signing, and watch the season tickets get snapped up.
I've commented before on why the pricing is all wrong, or at least nowhere near imaginative enough, but even regardless of that if we get the first couple of recruitment decisions right, the fanbase will be buzzing because it would signal that success for us next season would be defined as promotion. As of now, I don't know what the club views as a successful campaign next season.
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I think the prices would go down far better if there hadn't been a leak about SS, if there had been a statement reviewing the season and setting goals and if we'd had already made a positive managerial appointment.

But still, they aren't very inventive or still aren't hitting a price point that is incredibly marketable.
 
Southshoresteve said:
At the moment I’d say 5000. Good manager appointment and some decent signings before season starts and could see this going up to 6.5 K.

I’ll be astonished if we get a gate above 10k next season though
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I think that a bit pessimistic.

We've had at times upto 11k+ home fans and the fans who attended aren't always the same ones, so there's plenty to tap into. The actual number of fans who make up a 10k crowd average let's say, may well be 12k of some different people.

They aren't going to stop being fans and will turn up, at some point.

Prices would have helped but success will too.

If we're up in the playoffs or above and winning games looking good, we'll easily break 10k home fans never mind 10k gates.

Infact we'll have near full houses if we're up at the top near the end of the season, as promotion is massive and draws in all the casuals. We missed out on it last time and it's a massive feelgood factor and can help grow the fanbase.

Which is why I've always said, if we get promoted with fans in attendance it'll do more for us than just staying in the championship. The huge feelgood factor is hard to beat. If it was a Wembley one then you get 30k+ attending, many of which are friends and family but some then go the following season after seeing us in person and enjoying it.

The covid promotion was damaging to us compared to what it should have been.
 
Without naming a new manager and without Sadler saying anything regarding the ambition about next season I'd guess it'll be under 5k.

And if that was the case Sadler has lost the fans and lost the plot.

Time to sound out Mr Sadler or bail out ☹️
 
Bennys_was_a_mob said:
Without naming a new manager and without Sadler saying anything regarding the ambition about next season I'd guess it'll be under 5k.

And if that was the case Sadler has lost the fans and lost the plot.

Time to sound out Mr Sadler or bail out ☹️
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Well, the manager will happen soon so that's not really going to happen. ST are on sale until 2nd July early bird.
 
JJpool said:
So how many do we think we'll shift at those prices?

Hard to say really and feels like a bit of a missed opportunity to build on the end of season positivity with Dobbie and try and fill the stadium, retain most of what we had and add some new ones.

A lot of our local rivals clubs are cheaper or offer more extras.

However, we're Blackpool fans and what else will we do but watch the side trying to get promoted.

Despite recent negativity, a couple of positive announcements can turn it round.

So what do we think? How many will we sell?

Didn't we do around 6.5k before at this level and should have grown a bit since then, but the price is higer now. I'd be disappointed if we didn't pass that figure.
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Does it really matter what price local clubs are? Preston or Fleetwood could be offering free tickets and I wouldn't take one.

It's not like a choice of supermarket, where price difference is important.
 
Wizaard said:
Does it really matter what price local clubs are? Preston or Fleetwood could be offering free tickets and I wouldn't take one.

It's not like a choice of supermarket, where price difference is important.
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Of course it matters, not in the sense all our fans are going to suddenly change allegiances, but it puts our pricing policy in a worse light when it's for the same product or even less for a higher league.

Like it or not, having rivals being charged less affects how some feel about our prices.
 
JJpool said:
I think that a bit pessimistic.

We've had at times upto 11k+ home fans and the fans who attended aren't always the same ones, so there's plenty to tap into. The actual number of fans who make up a 10k crowd average let's say, may well be 12k of some different people.

They aren't going to stop being fans and will turn up, at some point.

Prices would have helped but success will too.

If we're up in the playoffs or above and winning games looking good, we'll easily break 10k home fans never mind 10k gates.

Infact we'll have near full houses if we're up at the top near the end of the season, as promotion is massive and draws in all the casuals. We missed out on it last time and it's a massive feelgood factor and can help grow the fanbase.

Which is why I've always said, if we get promoted with fans in attendance it'll do more for us than just staying in the championship. The huge feelgood factor is hard to beat. If it was a Wembley one then you get 30k+ attending, many of which are friends and family but some then go the following season after seeing us in person and enjoying it.

The covid promotion was damaging to us compared to what it should have been.
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I’d say historical statistics say different. I’ll give you that we may break a 10k gate on occasion but think it’s extremely unlikely we will get a situation where we have 10k home fans in on any game
 
JJpool said:
Of course it matters, not in the sense all our fans are going to suddenly change allegiances, but it puts our pricing policy in a worse light when it's for the same product or even less for a higher league.

Like it or not, having rivals being charged less affects how some feel about our prices.
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Don't agree. Has no bearing on the decision to buy one. Anyone who switches allegiance to save £30 or £40 a season can do one as far as I'm concerned.
 
Southshoresteve said:
I’d say historical statistics say different. I’ll give you that we may break a 10k gate on occasion but think it’s extremely unlikely we will get a situation where we have 10k home fans in on any game
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Historical stats are pointless really as the club was a basket case in the recent history and a joke in the past compared to what it is now.

We don't have any stats to say how many would attend post boycott, under a positive Sadler regime during a promotion push. Unfortunately fans missed the last one largely.

We've always been able to take 30k+ to Wembley so I don't see why we wouldn't be able to sell out Bloomfield road for a playoff game or a game to win automatic promotion for eg.

I would hope we'd also grown even a bit from going up, all the people who attended are now on the database and will be sent marketing from the club. Not sure there was any database when they took over.
 
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