So why does everyone hate Appleton

The timeline for me so far is

I was surprised the guy we beat to promotion and seemingly left behind in the rear view mirror got the job of head coach here

I was surprised that someone who traditionally works as a manager got the job of head coach as part of a football structure. I thought they'd have been all-in on finding another Critchley clone

But then I wasn't surprised he got the job as he was the only one compo-free, local and available for an immediate start as they were running out of hours before pre-season. No way they'd have paid to get him out of Lincoln

I also wasn't surprised when it then became clear there was a lack of clarity on signings being provided to him to coach, within how we're told this football structure and these well-paid execs behind it all is supposed to work as part of an ongoing progress that can survive change. And then the long delay before it looked like Appleton just went into business for himself using his loan contacts just to try to get players in he feels can do a job

There are some occasional flashes football-wise I've seen of being a bit more direct and with it in terms of attacking rather than the cautious approach of Critchley. But the injuries if anything have got worse and with the transfer window dithering, lack of clarity and cashing in on the best player and only real spark I'm now convinced it will catch us up this year. A constant patch up job and juggling formations and tactics that won't really see us being any more progressive or looking any more capable in this league. With the quality of player available. And in a season where the bottom three isn't being subsidised by heavy points deductions and where other clubs are making moves a lot quicker to change manager for a boost.

Appleton himself comes across as someone I could work and get along with during my contracted hours but also comes across like he wouldn't particularly motivate me to go that extra mile for him outside of that. I do think his honesty is refreshing and he clearly offers no hiding place when he's been let down by his board or his players. But there's also that bit of umph I think you need as a Blackpool manager (or head coach) where you've got to get a lot out of a little (which hasn't changed with the owner change), be the face of the club and have a bit of personality to drag everyone up and along with you.

If he gets through this year and then the club want as many of the current contracts off the books as possible to save money, and if that means starting again in league one, then there's every chance we can have a Lincoln year. If the operation is streamlined and he's given full control over recruitment next summer. I think that will be the first time where we get see the real identity of his team and his idea of a way of playing if he's going to do his four years.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
n fact I'm not sure as a Club as a whole whether we have any real personality at the moment. As others have said, it's all a bit flat .
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That is very true. I can't warm to Sadler and the board at all, the feel good factor has all but disappeared. To blame MA is ridiculous but we could do with some wins soon and some more consistent performances. However the lack of key signings and then the horrendous injury crisis with all 4 defenders getting knocks last night, where may that leave us on Saturday?
 
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It's pointless trying to have a proper discussion about football, when you're going to use references like "It's what kids play at school"...

442 (it may have been), but we didn't play with a rigid structure and you know perfectly well that there was far more to Critchley than an overly simplified system that kids at school could play.... Any 'System' is as simple or as complex as you choose to make it... And in any case, Kids tend to play 433 these days (It's become the new 442 in reality and all a bit 'old hat')

Some of our football last year was absolutely sublime and there are plenty of stand out performances, the likes of which I haven't really witnessed so far this season. So for me... he might be 'trying' to play better football, but at the moment, he certainly isn't 'succeeding' and as I say, the football is nowhere near as good. For all our so called expansiveness, we are scoring less goals and conceding more!!

And I have never said I don't rate Bowler... I'm not interested in Bowler ... he doesn't play for Blackpool F.C. His loss was inevitable.
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"Some of our football last year was absolutely sublime and there are plenty of stand out performances"

When?
 
I initially didn't want Appleton but he has actually won me over. I like what he is trying to do and the football is more exciting than last year even though I had no real problems with Critchs style either. I think some players he has brought in are great additions and the team as a whole I actually think is better than last season.
Our achilles heel though remains exactly the same in that we always miss our chances and don't score which puts more pressure on our defence to not concede. Appleton wanted and tried to get a striker but we couldn't or weren't prepared to get it done for whatever reason. That's what is doing us this season. Put a goalscorer up front for us and we would be up challenging for play offs come the end of the season. I really do think the margins are that small with us.
 
Left to his own devices Critchley would take us down.

Appleton may turn out either way, but you have to get behind him until he's had the backing required and then failed. We're nowhere near that stage.
 
fcblackpool said:
Left to his own devices Critchley would take us down.

Appleton may turn out either way, but you have to get behind him until he's had the backing required and then failed. We're nowhere near that stage.
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The thing is though

a) he didn't take us down

b) he did win promotion

and

c) he kept us in the Championship with a very respectable 60 points

So in truth that's largely just aloadofoldbollox 😂
 
Lala said:
I don’t hate him, and I definitely want him to succeed. If he succeeds we succeed.
I was reticent regarding his appointment because I don’t see why, time and again we have to look backwards when appointing managers and I hadnt seen anything remarkable about his previous managerial appointments to feel like we should make an exception, again.

That said I’ve been 100% behind him since day one.

Am I convinced he was the right appointment. Not yet, we still have too many unknowns at the club to know what is preventing us from performing better on the pitch, so time is needed, and time will tell for me.
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Exactly how I feel, he wasn't my first choice but that doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. He is now our manager, end of!
He's been dealt a pretty shitty hand all round since his appointment.
Seeing our one creative spark disappear to God knows where and don't even get me started on the omnishambles/clusterfuck that was our recruitment process.
Injuries, injuries, oh and a few more injuries, to lose both Fiorini and Patino in the same game almost beggars belief.
We are without doubt a work in progress, you can blame Critchley and our recruitment team for that, but not Appleton.
He has to carry the can for team selection, tactics and formation, but how much of that is seriously influenced by injuries and the lack of recruitment.

A couple of things have to happen, Appleton needs, somehow, to find a way to win a few games before the next transfer window and then he needs supporting in the window ffs, a couple of decent signings could change our season entirely. I guarantee, if we start winning, the carping about Appleton being here will subside.
 
Philbfctrois said:
I agree with the first para it was solid and well organised

442 teams normally are, its what kids play at school

But that wasn't what you said on the post earlier when you said the football now isn't as good as what Critchley played

I think the football is better now and he's trying to be more expansive

I know you didn't really rate Bowler but losing him has been massive for us
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We were always losing Bowler, the fact that we lost him on deadline day combined with no plan for a potential replacement was what fucked us over, the board did not do their job.
 
As I've posted a few times on here the model is at fault not the coach or the board.

The club came up with this head coach role like top clubs because it's easier to sack the coach than get rid of the players,longer contracts where handed out and then in transfer windows we only had to bring in 3 or 4 at a time.

Then NC leaves and it proves the model doesn't work further down the pyramid when the new guy wants to change tactics and it's a mad panic to get players in and out having 26 contracted on the books.

We ended up with 6 coming in 4 loans one to join in Jan and filling development squad I don't think we'd have brought in that many if NC had stayed.

Appleton needs time will he get it obviously not from some of our fans.
 
Don't hate anyone but not keen on him as a manager simply because he sets out to manage a game rather than win it. Last night if we had played with same attacking intent all game rather than after half time, after his half time bout of togetherness ( why not do that pre match) we may have got 3 points or lost 1. A point a match from the managing games approach will not get the job done.
 
The bottom line is it doesn’t matter what we think of him. With a four year contract he going nowhere so let’s get behind him. Performances are improving we just need goals and esp results to improve
 
Appleton is also a little unlucky that he's come in as replacements for two managers who connected with the fans, whether you buy in to that or not.
 
Philbfctrois said:
About 30

I'm waiting for you to tell me the sublime performances
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Reading Away, Fulham Away, Huddersfield Away, West Brom Home, Swansea Home, Sheff United Home, Reading Home

All great footballing performances...

The trouble is that you seem to think all this 'expansive' bollocks is what football is all about... It's basically losing football.. and it's not remotely attractive...
 
Philbfctrois said:
Is it because he once left us? Ffs you are like a bunch of jilted school girls

Give the man a chance and get behind the club

All this negativity is killing us ......
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I don't "hate" him for any reason. He's just not achieved much in management, apart from talking a very good job.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Reading Away, Fulham Away, Huddersfield Away, West Brom Home, Swansea Home, Sheff United Home, Reading Home

All great footballing performances...

The trouble is that you seem to think all this 'expansive' bollocks is what football is all about... It's basically losing football.. and it's not remotely attractive...
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Sublime???

Ffs .. laughable
 
poolseasider said:
As I've posted a few times on here the model is at fault not the coach or the board.

The club came up with this head coach role like top clubs because it's easier to sack the coach than get rid of the players,longer contracts where handed out and then in transfer windows we only had to bring in 3 or 4 at a time.

Then NC leaves and it proves the model doesn't work further down the pyramid when the new guy wants to change tactics and it's a mad panic to get players in and out having 26 contracted on the books.

We ended up with 6 coming in 4 loans one to join in Jan and filling development squad I don't think we'd have brought in that many if NC had stayed.

Appleton needs time will he get it obviously not from some of our fans.
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But the model does work- the club should do it’s homework and target a manager who plays in a similar way, or way that builds on the foundations. Swansea did it for years, Brighton are trying to do it.
 
I’ve not particularly enjoyed watching us this season, there has been the odd flash of good football but more often than not it has been dire and hasn’t been backed up with results.

Appleton has been terribly unlucky with injuries but Critchley had to play Reece James in centre mid at the start of last season and Bowler wasn’t the Bowler we saw towards the end of his time with us.

I’ve got nothing against the board as we’ve brought in some good players and have Lyons coming in Jan. Bowler was replaced with Poveda who looks good and there’s nothing wrong with using the loan market if we use it well.

Last night was excellent in the second half and Appleton will have learnt a lot from his initial poor selection. Hopefully we can kick on from here.
 
TheRealKingKenny said:
I’ve not particularly enjoyed watching us this season, there has been the odd flash of good football but more often than not it has been dire and hasn’t been backed up with results.

Appleton has been terribly unlucky with injuries but Critchley had to play Reece James in centre mid at the start of last season and Bowler wasn’t the Bowler we saw towards the end of his time with us.

I’ve got nothing against the board as we’ve brought in some good players and have Lyons coming in Jan. Bowler was replaced with Poveda who looks good and there’s nothing wrong with using the loan market if we use it well.

Last night was excellent in the second half and Appleton will have learnt a lot from his initial poor selection. Hopefully we can kick on from here.
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Dire ??

Rotherham away was dire thats it
 
Philbfctrois said:
We played 6 defensive players
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And scored more whilst conceding less... 35% Win Rate vs 25% Win Rate...

That's 'expansive football' for you.... I prefer to just call it what it is - Losing Football


There are some positive signs and in the last couple of games we've looked a bit better (Moreso on Saturday).... So hopefully he can turn it around
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
And scored more whilst conceding less... 35% Win Rate vs 25% Win Rate...

That's 'expansive football' for you.... I prefer to just call it what it is - Losing Football


There are some positive signs and in the last couple of games we've looked a bit better (Moreso on Saturday).... So hopefully he can turn it around
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Comparing stats after a dozen games is ridiculous to be honest
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
The thing is though

a) he didn't take us down

b) he did win promotion

and

c) he kept us in the Championship with a very respectable 60 points

So in truth that's largely just aloadofoldbollox 😂
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What part of 'would' don't you understand?

As they say in certain quarters, past performance isn't a guarantee of future returns. That is if you accept that the things you mention tell the whole truth- which they do not.
 
Philbfctrois said:
Comparing stats after a dozen games is ridiculous to be honest
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Ridiculous or not, that's where we are right now.... We've managed to win 3 games out of twelve... And one of those games required a dodgy decision.

You're trying to tell me that the football is better - Which games in particular are you referring to?

I'll be straight Phil... It's as dogshit football as I've seen at Bloomfield Road at the minute. Saturday was OK in the second half, although I doubt we would have scored if we'd played for a fortnight.
 
This season has been very similar to last season in that we haven't played well for 90 mins in general, but have had 45 mins here and there where we look like a championship side. Last night was one of those times, Saturday we played well for 65 mins but it was the 25 mins that lost us that game. Last season was the same, second half against Reading we looked un playable, same when we played Reading at home, second half at Bournemouth we were at times, all over a very very good side. Birmingham we looked great, but they were a basket case of a club. There were plenty of times where we competed, and to say we didnt look great last season in certain games, is pretty narrow minded (IMO)

There were clearly times last season where we looked great, and played exciting attacking football. The trouble with teams like us, we arnt going to turn over teams over a whole 90 mins. When one Sunderland player is on 26k a week, another cost Manchester United 20Mill possible rising to 40Mill, we are going to have periods of games (especially away) where we will come under pressure, and have to grind out a 20/25/45 min spell to stay in the game. That has nothing to do with the management, system or players attitudes, it has everything to do with us being a small fish in a rather large and competitive division.

We are 3 points from 11th, and 2 points from the bottom three (and look at the size of the clubs below us). To think we have some divine right to be walking over teams is ridiculous, and the same goes for last season. It may take 3/4 seasons before we really find our feet in this league. People throwing their toys out of the pram on Twitter last night at half time, after being 0-0 with a much bigger team then us need to give their heads a wobble. It wasn't pretty last night, but if fans cant get used to that at times, then your probably going to be extremely disappointed most weeks I'm afraid
 
Philbfctrois said:
"Some of our football last year was absolutely sublime and there are plenty of stand out performances"

When?
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To be fair the home game against Fulham was a great performance against a very good side. This was during a decent period of the season where we won 7 and drew 1 out of 10 and had a couple of unbeaten runs of 4 or 5 games. Critchley did lose his way towards end of last season though after going too defensive and tinkered too much.
 
fcblackpool said:
What part of 'would' don't you understand?

As they say in certain quarters, past performance isn't a guarantee of future returns. That is if you accept that the things you mention tell the whole truth- which they do not.
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I understand the bit where it is an imaginary future outcome, based upon a set of imaginary circumstances which serves to confirm a personal bias, yet has no actual basis in fact. In fact so imaginary is this future outcome, it requires the actual facts to be 'disappeared' in a Trump-like 'Fake News' kinda way and replaced by a distorted truth, that fits.

I call it Fantasy vs Reality


By your logic... Any future situation can be imagined and justified, whilst reality is simply erased from the record books....

Football is a results based business and you ain't judged on what might happen in the future... (largely because that's just pretend)... You are, however judged on what actually happens.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Ridiculous or not, that's where we are right now.... We've managed to win 3 games out of twelve... And one of those games required a dodgy decision.

You're trying to tell me that the football is better - Which games in particular are you referring to?

I'll be straight Phil... It's as dogshit football as I've seen at Bloomfield Road at the minute. Saturday was OK in the second half, although I doubt we would have scored if we'd played for a fortnight.
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Wow ....
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
It's not wrong though is it...

No point trying to dress it up.

There's some signs that things might improve, but right now (up to this point) we're dreadful.
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Dreadful against Rotherham out played against Blackburn the rest has been ok with nothing much in the games

Thats not dressing things up thats realty, people can't wait to jump on Appletons back

As I've said many times he shouldn't be the target, the issues come from the top of the club
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
I don't think anyone hates him, if anything he's getting an easier ride with some than Critchley did, the whole club feels a little flat right now and we need some results to get the spirit back. That's not his fault, it's a hangover from a terrible summer of missed opportunities and second season syndrome, but he doesn't seem to have left any imprint on the place so far, but it's early days and had the board done their job in the summer and had our freak injury run not continued we could have hit the ground running.

He seems like a genuinely nice bloke but he needs to bring more of a vision, the manager sets the tone, I don't mean fist bumping and heart signs, more a little bit of fight and 'fuck everyone else'.

We'll be fine given time, the previous incumbent had a shakier start and many were calling for his head after half a dozen games, we then ended up being promoted in his first full season and had a comfortable ride at a level above in his second.

A point away from home in this league is always a good result, so build from that.
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That's a great post Lytham but because I'm a pernickity tw@t, rather than just agree with your every word, I will point out that when we were promoted under the previous incumbent, we were promoted inspite of a shaky start and not because of it.

Maybe I am being overly pedantic and you were just making a plea for patience in the absence of another great poster.
 
Philbfctrois said:
Is it because he once left us? Ffs you are like a bunch of jilted school girls

Give the man a chance and get behind the club

All this negativity is killing us ......
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I'm pretty happy with him so far. Dont think he's had much chance to put the team out that he wants to, and now we're starting to see that, we look pretty decent. Couldn't care less about his PKE connection, and proud of him for sticking it to the Oystons.
 
Philbfctrois said:
Dire ??

Rotherham away was dire thats it
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Stoke, Blackburn, Huddersfield, Millwall.

Even for the two 3-3s we were all over the shop at the back.

First half against Norwich they should have been out of sight.

I know you didn’t see it but the first half yesterday was the worst of the lot for me, we couldn’t string two passes together.

We’ve been awful more than we’ve been good.

However, as I said we’ve looked good at times and he deserves time to try and get some more consistency. I don’t think he’s helping himself achieve that with his team selections and the players are looking clueless at times.
 
Philbfctrois said:
I agree with the first para it was solid and well organised

442 teams normally are, its what kids play at school

But that wasn't what you said on the post earlier when you said the football now isn't as good as what Critchley played

I think the football is better now and he's trying to be more expansive

I know you didn't really rate Bowler but losing him has been massive for us
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442 teams normally are, it's what kids play at school???
Have you ever played football at any reasonable level? I'm guessing not.
Occasionally I comment on your continuing rants against Neil Critchley and ignore your 'expertise' on tactics & team selection but that remark is ridiculous. Football is a fluid game. You can sit down and lay out a basic formation in the dressing room beforehand but the opposition can destroy that plan once you step on the pitch. For example, City v United last weekend. Then there are the times when one or two players can dominate a game and you can't get near them. I remember Scott Parker playing for West Ham at Bloomfield Road and he was outstanding. David Silva had a decent 15 minute cameo that season as well.
When that happens, players have to manage the game on the pitch. There is nothing wrong with 442 as such. However a team sets up it is always with the aim of having a spare man at the back - one of the centre-backs - to cover the ball behind. Full backs tuck in, wingers drop back to cover overlaps and centre mid drop to deny attackers space. Going forward, it's a question of balance - the more the opposition drop, the further the team can push. The basic rule is to leave two (defenders) on one (attacker).
Football is a simple game. Personal battles; first touch; first to the second ball; movement & working hard off the ball to support and be in a position to help whether attacking or defending. Decision making is key - Callum Wright last night took an extra touch and options disappeared. The best ball in football has always been the one that is cut back from the byline (apart from that one De Bruyne sends across the six yard box). Wingers who can beat a player and put in a decent cross will always be in demand.
You use formations in your posts to disparage Neil Critchley and put them forward as if they are always the answer. They are a start but it's always down to players in the end.
 
TheRealKingKenny said:
Stoke, Blackburn, Huddersfield, Millwall.

Even for the two 3-3s we were all over the shop at the back.

First half against Norwich they should have been out of sight.

I know you didn’t see it but the first half yesterday was the worst of the lot for me, we couldn’t string two passes together.

We’ve been awful more than we’ve been good.

However, as I said we’ve looked good at times and he deserves time to try and get some more consistency. I don’t think he’s helping himself achieve that with his team selections and the players are looking clueless at times.
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Most of his team selections have been forced on him, i honestly dont understand all the criticism

Its way over the top proven by you highlighting an away win as dire
 
OldTimer said:
442 teams normally are, it's what kids play at school???
Have you ever played football at any reasonable level? I'm guessing not.
Occasionally I comment on your continuing rants against Neil Critchley and ignore your 'expertise' on tactics & team selection but that remark is ridiculous. Football is a fluid game. You can sit down and lay out a basic formation in the dressing room beforehand but the opposition can destroy that plan once you step on the pitch. For example, City v United last weekend. Then there are the times when one or two players can dominate a game and you can't get near them. I remember Scott Parker playing for West Ham at Bloomfield Road and he was outstanding. David Silva had a decent 15 minute cameo that season as well.
When that happens, players have to manage the game on the pitch. There is nothing wrong with 442 as such. However a team sets up it is always with the aim of having a spare man at the back - one of the centre-backs - to cover the ball behind. Full backs tuck in, wingers drop back to cover overlaps and centre mid drop to deny attackers space. Going forward, it's a question of balance - the more the opposition drop, the further the team can push. The basic rule is to leave two (defenders) on one (attacker).
Football is a simple game. Personal battles; first touch; first to the second ball; movement & working hard off the ball to support and be in a position to help whether attacking or defending. Decision making is key - Callum Wright last night took an extra touch and options disappeared. The best ball in football has always been the one that is cut back from the byline (apart from that one De Bruyne sends across the six yard box). Wingers who can beat a player and put in a decent cross will always be in demand.
You use formations in your posts to disparage Neil Critchley and put them forward as if they are always the answer. They are a start but it's always down to players in the end.
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I can't even read that without getting a head ache 😪
 
hills98 said:
I'm pretty happy with him so far. Dont think he's had much chance to put the team out that he wants to, and now we're starting to see that, we look pretty decent. Couldn't care less about his PKE connection, and proud of him for sticking it to the Oystons.
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Again, apologies for my pedanticity but he didn't stick it to the Oystons.

He just left because he got a better offer from Blackburn.

Yes, Koko could have done without the bother of having to appoint a new manager but the compensation received from Blackburn more than made up for that.
 
For those knocking Appleton, it would appear those in football rate him, as this article today shows, with Leeds interested in him for their coaching staff before we signed him:
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Leeds United eyed Blackpool man in the summer

Leeds United considered adding Michael Appleton to their coaching staff before he took the Blackpool job in the summer, according to The Athletic. The 46-year-old was appointed as the replacement for Neil Critchley, who left Bloomfield Road to replace Mick Beale as Steven Gerrard’s assistant at...
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Philbfctrois said:
Dreadful against Rotherham out played against Blackburn the rest has been ok with nothing much in the games

Thats not dressing things up thats realty, people can't wait to jump on Appletons back

As I've said many times he shouldn't be the target, the issues come from the top of the club
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Well in musical terms, we're more staccato than legato😉

We lack fluidity and don't really look at all comfortable in possession. We don't currently pose much of an attacking threat and lack confidence and ability up front... It feels to me like we are out there playing 'individually' and I get no sense of a Football 'Team' at all. At least one positive is that we look less likely to concede since the return of Maxwell and introduction of Thorniley. Hopefully Husband will replace Thompson at some point, which will further improve us both in defence and attack.

We have struggled to get any sense of a consistent team and so some of the issues are understandable, but I'm also not convinced that you can put it all down to recruitment and personnel.

Unfortunately though, the problems with recruitment and personnel mean that we probably won't be able to genuinely assess the Managerial Performance until it's too late... That for me is an issue, because it's one of those situations where you can find your season getting beyond recovery.
 
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BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Well in musical terms, we're more staccato than legato😉

We lack fluidity and don't really look at all comfortable in possession. We don't currently pose much of an attacking threat and lack confidence and ability up front... It feels to me like we are out there playing 'individually' and I get no sense of a Football 'Team' at all. At least one positive is that we look less likely to concede since the return of Maxwell and introduction of Thorniley. Hopefully Husband will replace Thompson at some point, which will further improve us both in defence and attack.

We have struggled to get any sense of a consistent team and so some of the issues are understandable, but I'm also not convinced that you can put it all down to recruitment and personnel.

Unfortunately though, the problems with recruitment and personnel mean that we probably won't be able to genuinely assess the Managerial Performance until it's too late... That for me is an issue, because it's one of those situations where you're season getting beyond recovery.
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Yeah agree with the last paragraph 👌
 
Philbfctrois said:
Most of his team selections have been forced on him, i honestly dont understand all the criticism

Its way over the top proven by you highlighting an away win as dire
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I have repeatedly said that we need to give him time and I have also said that he has been incredibly unlucky with injuries, I am not one of the critics who won't give him a chance. I have no agenda like you did when you got it wrong and Critchley won promotion.

I'm saying I haven't enjoyed the football this season because it's been crap apart from the odd half, including the fortuitous win at Huddersfield where the three points glossed over how shit we were.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
We were always losing Bowler, the fact that we lost him on deadline day combined with no plan for a potential replacement was what fucked us over, the board did not do their job.
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You could argue they brought in Poveda knowing Bowler was going. I'm not saying this was ideal, but he & a few of the other loanees look useful, he's not yet fully match fit & like some of the others is still finding his feet. Lets see where we are at Christmas.
 
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