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The real worry in that video is that he predicts that football wont be played in front of crowds until at least January!
Now that should be a major concern to us all. Not heard anyone in a high position say that before.
But hey, lets carry on making childish remarks about him instead. That's far more important🙄
 
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Bring Back Standing said:
The real worry in that video is that he predicts that football wont be played in front of crowds until January!
That should be a major concern to us all.
But hey, lets carry on making childish remarks about him instead. Far more important🙄
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What's childish? Questioning him getting a knighthood or spending above a sustainable level? What's the childish aspect exactly?
 
It started off as complete Bu115hit bingo....then proceeded into inane rambling and then he finished off before he became boring.
Bring Back Standing has a point.....lets hear the full mini series before making judgement.

I wonder if the option of streaming games could generate income.....I would pay to watch a game ....and it could be a money maker without major investment.
 
Wiz - I wasn't particularly referring to your post, but anyhow there is a much bigger issue in his vid here that shouldn't be overlooked.
Not being allowed to watch our club again until at least January, is I doubt what any of us imagined would happen.
And he said January was being optimistic!
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
The Dutch angle put me right off, well that and it was basically a stream of consciousness whinge from Andy ** Pilley.

Fleetwood are fucked and he seems to realise it.
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You obviously didn’t listen properly you clown 🤡 He said Fleetwood would be fine but that he would have to make cutbacks....... but don’t let the truth get in the way of you having a pop at someone you obviously don’t like 🙄
 
Unfortunately we are all in the same boat and the sad fact of the matter is that football is probably at the bottom of the pile when it comes to priorities at the moment. I'm pretty sure that some form of televised package would go down well with fans, but in my opinion the revenue should not be split evenly and rather should be determined by the fans who sign up to watch their own club.
 
Martonmosser said:
You obviously didn’t listen properly you clown 🤡 He said Fleetwood would be fine but that he would have to make cutbacks....... but don’t let the truth get in the way of you having a pop at someone you obviously don’t like 🙄
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Soz Mosser, really really soz like.
 
Bring Back Standing said:
Wiz - I wasn't particularly referring to your post, but anyhow there is a much bigger issue in his vid here that shouldn't be overlooked.
Not being allowed to watch our club again until at least January, is I doubt what any of us imagined would happen.
And he said January was being optimistic!
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I went without watching Blackpool 7 years. I can last until January
 
Martonmosser said:
You obviously didn’t listen properly you clown 🤡 He said Fleetwood would be fine but that he would have to make cutbacks....... but don’t let the truth get in the way of you having a pop at someone you obviously don’t like 🙄
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To be fair, the renaissance of Blackpool means that Fleetwood, in the longer term, are indeed fucked.
 
Lots to pick out of that. All-round, some excellent, brutally honest analysis. I hope at some point he’ll address the question of why some football clubs are so close to breaking point, and whether it might have anything to do with certain chairmen pumping in unsustainable amounts of money and spending more on wages alone than the club takes in from every revenue source
 
You wonder whether Simon Sadler regrets getting involved. Must be costing him a packet with no income coming in. I’m sure he must think what have I done when he signs off the reputed 15 grand monthly wage for Nuttall (someone said he’s on 3 and a half grand a week) And I suspect Madine will be on a fair bit more. Still to be fair to Nuttall he’s worked like a Trojan this season and been firing on all cylinders so you can’t blame the lad now there’s a pandemic.
 
TKL_Seasider said:
Lots to pick out of that. All-round, some excellent, brutally honest analysis. I hope at some point he’ll address the question of why some football clubs are so close to breaking point, and whether it might have anything to do with certain chairmen pumping in unsustainable amounts of money and spending more on wages alone than the club takes in from every revenue source
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On the whole they dont-or shouldnt do. The problem is that many of (say) the Championship clubs are paying 110% of their income on wages with Leeds paying a (relatively) smaller sum of 96%,in a division that is propped up by parachute payments.Even Sunderland in L1 were getting PP money at the start of this season although it'll have been already been spent.
The basic problem is the PL land of milk and honey which everyone is scrambling to get to-promotion now worth at least £120 million which is outside of what normal businessmen can handle.

My own view is that the European Super League needs to happen very soon -virus issues aside-so the rest of us can get on with a league system that has some sanity,and that would mean losing say 6 of the country's top clubs as a result.
Not a bad trade off because it would mean the leagues would suffer a subsequent loss in revenue to more realistic figures,and fans would have a proper 'pyramid' again that allows for a more even competitive national game.
I'd be happy to see just the one or two European places similar to what Scotland have and the FA Cup played just for the thrill of it and of course its history.
 
Good to hear some brutal reality about the huge problems clubs now face but it did sound odd so soon after his club's accounts have revealed such a large debt (was it over £17 million?) that he now suddenly champions sustainability.

I've been banging on about this now for a good 25 years since the Premier League created the huge financial divide. Overspending has been football's biggest long term problem and at the end of the day it is largely self-inflicted.

Perhaps the answer is that clubs can only spend a proportion of their cash reserves rather than income each season. Make them save up first before they spend so they have a safety net for times like now.
 
Cods lost £6m in 2018/19, have total losses of £15m, paid £128 in wages for every £100 of income & are have loans of £17m from owner AP companies.

Last person to lecture about football finance is Pilley with those accounting figures.

Scrap FFP too easy to get round rules and if a rich owner want's to pump money they can as much as they want but it can't be as loans to club and FFS start paying tax on the money gifted not fiddle your books to get away with it.
 
Good idea on Pilley's part. I like it. I appreciate his honest and forthright opinion, it's sorely missing in modern day politico forked tongue speak.

I note he says that the Cods will weather the storm ... and I believe him. I desperately hope that SS is on the upside of the economic winners/losers divide post virus.

I agree with him that they won't allow crowds to gather in the kind of numbers that football games attract until after the end of the year. Perhaps there is a plan with reduced capacities that will permit an earlier return?

Look forward to the next one.
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
Good to hear some brutal reality about the huge problems clubs now face but it did sound odd so soon after his club's accounts have revealed such a large debt (was it over £17 million?) that he now suddenly champions sustainability.

I've been banging on about this now for a good 25 years since the Premier League created the huge financial divide. Overspending has been football's biggest long term problem and at the end of the day it is largely self-inflicted.

Perhaps the answer is that clubs can only spend a proportion of their cash reserves rather than income each season. Make them save up first before they spend so they have a safety net for times like now.
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If we had ridiculous rules like this Blackpool would never get anywhere. We live in a capitalist society so we go with the flow. There’ll always be a club wanting to get in the league so whilst you’ll have the odd victim like bury it’s just tough for the long term fans of the club and they’ll have to start at the bottom of the pyramid.
I hate these ridiculous FFP rules that no one understands. Look at Newcastle they’ve just landed on their feet with their proposed new owners and I’m pleased for them. Are they now not allowed to spend money to get near the top 4 teams?
 
Memphisboy said:
If we had ridiculous rules like this Blackpool would never get anywhere. We live in a capitalist society so we go with the flow. There’ll always be a club wanting to get in the league so whilst you’ll have the odd victim like bury it’s just tough for the long term fans of the club and they’ll have to start at the bottom of the pyramid.
I hate these ridiculous FFP rules that no one understands. Look at Newcastle they’ve just landed on their feet with their proposed new owners and I’m pleased for them. Are they now not allowed to spend money to get near the top 4 teams?
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It's about clubs spending money they've got rather than spending money they don't and always having to be bailed out when the inevitable happens.
 
Interesting that he thinks that 'next season will be played behind closed doors'. I have to say that's a depressing outlook from someone so close to the coal face. I guess it is part of the thinking that 'social distancing' will be in force until a vaccine is available.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
You really couldn't make it up....

Spunks Millions on State of the Art training grounds and buying success and now wants a 'Level Playing Field' where all clubs are allowed to spend the same regardless of how many supporters they have.

Unbelievable!!
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That was my first though Daz..... Now he has had his 15 years of unsustainable levels of spend based on what the football club turns over, he now wants a level playing field and pull up the drawbridge to Prevent anyone else doing the same.
 
TangerinePeteFY8 said:
That was my first though Daz..... Now he has had his 15 years of unsustainable levels of spend based on what the football club turns over, he now wants a level playing field and pull up the drawbridge to Prevent anyone else doing the same.
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I suppose you can't blame him for trying, he's essentially talking about a system that is almost uniquely beneficial to his Club. (i.e. A Club with absolutely no fans, who have risen through the leagues due to historic excessive spending, with top class training facilities). His idea fucks over all the bigger clubs as they can't capitalise on better fanbase, it fucks over clubs who have managed themselves within a proper budget historically because he has overtaken them with his spending power and I'd imagine it would simply result in any decent players seeking better contracts abroad.

Maybe as an alternative any Clubs considered to have overspent in the past 5 Years could be forced to have their overspending deducted from the next 5 years budgets, in order to even things out.

What I certainly don't want to see is all these Clubs who have lived way beyond their means getting bailed out and simply getting away with thier poor financial management....
 
Yes, he's made no effort to create a sustainable modus operandi for his club, has used his purchasing power to buy his way to the top and having massively benefited already he now wants another dividend. The operation he is running there is just as obscene in its way as that at Manchester City.
 
basilrobbie said:
Yes, he's made no effort to create a sustainable modus operandi for his club, has used his purchasing power to buy his way to the top and having massively benefited already he now wants another dividend. The operation he is running there is just as obscene in its way as that at Manchester City.
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Absolute rubbish as he's simply invested (as Belekon did) and then used any income to push the club on eg the purchase and sale of Vardy.He's also complimented his own business by creating an infrastructure at FT that's given employment to the community.Ticks every box on the FSA's preferred ownership module and backed up by FFP rules and regulations.

If local folk had stood by their community like Pilley did then the town of Fleetwood wouldnt have suffered such hardships,but then its easy to get on a train/bus and shoot off rather selfishly chasing the money.
 
Plumbs said:
Absolute rubbish as he's simply invested (as Belekon did) and then used any income to push the club on eg the purchase and sale of Vardy.He's also complimented his own business by creating an infrastructure at FT that's given employment to the community.Ticks every box on the FSA's preferred ownership module and backed up by FFP rules and regulations.

If local folk had stood by their community like Pilley did then the town of Fleetwood wouldnt have suffered such hardships,but then its easy to get on a train/bus and shoot off rather selfishly chasing the money.
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FTFC don't own Poolfoot. The club is totally beholden and dependent on him, whereas Simon Sadler sees himself, and acts as a custodian. Huge difference between the operating model.
 
Wizaard said:
FTFC don't own Poolfoot. The club is totally beholden and dependent on him, whereas Simon Sadler sees himself, and acts as a custodian. Huge difference between the operating model.
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Whether the club owns Poolfoot is largely irrelevant indeed many clubs dont own their 'assets' for a number of reasons,and where for many years it was a holding company that owned Blackpool FC where not too many of you complained;indeed one or two complimented the O's on their operating model which took you to the PL,so you cant have it both ways.

Simon Sadler may indeed prove to be a superb custodian for the club but he's not the subject of the OP and the criticism AP's receiving,and to re-iterate that the accusation that BRR has made is complete rubbish and borne simply from envy and a the fact that Fleetwood have become rivals.
 
Plumbs said:
Absolute rubbish as he's simply invested (as Belekon did) and then used any income to push the club on eg the purchase and sale of Vardy.He's also complimented his own business by creating an infrastructure at FT that's given employment to the community.Ticks every box on the FSA's preferred ownership module and backed up by FFP rules and regulations.

If local folk had stood by their community like Pilley did then the town of Fleetwood wouldnt have suffered such hardships,but then its easy to get on a train/bus and shoot off rather selfishly chasing the money.
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Don;t be ridiculous, there's nothing 'sustainable' about it...The Club is fundamentally centred around one individual and intrinsically linked to the success or failure of the associated businesses. Fleetwood Town could not be run as a seperate sustainable business in it's own right ..
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Don;t be ridiculous, there's nothing 'sustainable' about it...The Club is fundamentally centred around one individual and intrinsically linked to the success or failure of the associated businesses. Fleetwood Town could not be run as a seperate sustainable business in it's own right ..
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If a Leeds fan said that (for instance) about PL Bournemouth you guys would be all over it like a rash,similarly the Seasiders stint in the PL could have gone on indefinitely with the cash available there. Burnley and Leicester are in the same boat indeed all of these clubs can punch above their weight because of 'false' incomes,but thats how it works nowadays and folk cant complain when they're willing to drink from the same chalice.

Andy Pilley has stuck his money in his local club like others have done and is running it within ffp regs,so in that instance he's doing nothing wrong and theres nothing artificial about it. You can look down your nose at FT but they're being run properly and until the PL consolidatary money stops
then there really is no issue.

If you guys feel so strongly about it then ask Mr Sadler to send your PL money back and survive on gate receipts and merchandising, as to criticise Fleetwood for taking their opportunity is simply hypocritical.
 
There is quite a big difference between a financial windfall that arises because of success on the pitch (Blackpool) and something that happens the other way round (Fleetwood).

If you seriously think there is "nothing artificial" about Fleetwood and their recent history Plumbs, I think the issue is one of your judgement, and there is not much point in debating the point.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I suppose you can't blame him for trying, he's essentially talking about a system that is almost uniquely beneficial to his Club. (i.e. A Club with absolutely no fans, who have risen through the leagues due to historic excessive spending, with top class training facilities). His idea fucks over all the bigger clubs as they can't capitalise on better fanbase, it fucks over clubs who have managed themselves within a proper budget historically because he has overtaken them with his spending power and I'd imagine it would simply result in any decent players seeking better contracts abroad.

Maybe as an alternative any Clubs considered to have overspent in the past 5 Years could be forced to have their overspending deducted from the next 5 years budgets, in order to even things out.

What I certainly don't want to see is all these Clubs who have lived way beyond their means getting bailed out and simply getting away with thier poor financial management....
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A bit too transparent. It did make me laugh out loud though. I suppose it's an alternative way of trying to break through football's glass ceiling. I doubt it would get voted through though.

Ironically, his team were doing very well under the old monetary system so I wonder if this hints at trouble with his other businesses (clients gone bust) that will make donations to support his football club a whole lot harder.
 
I am enjoying what he has to say personally. I think he said in the first one that he wasn't prepared to discuss the past since he couldn't change it, whilst perhaps it's obvious this would make him sound like a total hypocrite. Fair enough, but he would have been better acknowledging this elephant in the room and make a case for the current situation becoming a watershed moment. I think most would agree that football needs shaking up at all levels. Agent and player power needs curtailing in the EPL (with wages, ticket cost and the dominance of TV being reduced - some hope!) and from the Championship down, strict and effective rules need to limit spending and level the playing field.

Shouldn't be too hard to figure all that out.
 
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