Scottish independence vote

Limechase

Limechase

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If they have another vote & vote leave, will there be another vote in a couple of years to come back?

Or if they again vote to stay, will they just keep voting until wee Jimmy Krankee get the result she wants.?
 
Limechase said:
If they have another vote & vote leave, will there be another vote in a couple of years to come back?

Or if they again vote to stay, will they just keep voting until wee Jimmy Krankee get the result she wants.?
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Until she gets what she wants i think.
 
I think we should let them vote.

Learn from the Brexit referendum though, so nobody from either side can shout "people didn't know what they were voting for!'

I think the keep the UK together, should simply focus on what's great about the Union, and the potential impact on Scotland. No stupid OTT nonsense like you'll catch the plague or such like.

Let the Leave out their arguments, including the timeframe to join the EU and perhaps including a written understanding from the EU perspective.

Then vote.

My guess, is Scotland would remain part of the UK and the SNP would then crack on with trying to improve the lives of people living in Scotland.
 
Just tell the Scots that all financial support from the rest of the UK will stop immediately and that the shortfall to maintain their way of life will have to be met by a poll tax on all Scottish residents. If they do not want to do that, as an independent country, then they can raise it from the banksters. And tell them they cannot use the £ Sterling as their currency, they can invent their own. At least that way they can print as many banknotes as they like and the wheelbarrow will replace the wallet.

Just so everyone is clear that if that’s what they want, that’s what they will get. It might set back Anglo-Scot relations to the level of the 13thC though. But at least they will have their “Freeeeeedom”. I doubt you’ll get the EU to make any pre-independence vote commitment. It might help if someone put NS on a course of Ritalin to calm her obsession down.
 
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Archibald Knox said:
Just tell the Scots that all financial support from the rest of the UK will stop immediately and that the shortfall to maintain their way of life will have to be met by a poll tax on all Scottish residents. If they do not want to do that, as an independent country, then they can raise it from the banksters. And tell them they cannot use the £ Sterling as their currency, they can invent their own. At least that way they can print as many banknotes as they like and the wheelbarrow will replace the wallet.

Just so everyone is clear that if that’s what they want, that’s what they will get. It might set back Anglo-Scot relations to the level of the 13thC though. But at least they will have their “Freeeeeedom”. I doubt you’ll get the EU to make any pre-independence vote commitment. It might help if someone put NS on a course of Ritalin to calm her obsession down.
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Don’t forget that they should also have to pay their share of the national debt before leaving the union.
 
Will they really tick the box for £2000 additional tax per year for every man woman and child just to stay in the same bankrupt position they are now in?
 
Vote already taken and ‘once in a generation’ voted to remain. Job done.

No matter how much Wee Jimmy moans she had her chance and muffed it!

I think if another vote is taken in the next generation in say 20 years it should be open to the whole of the UK as I never wanted to live in a divided UK so should have a say as well as those in Scotland and Wales.
 
i had a scottish work collegue in security last time they took the vote who kept bleating on how scotland should be independent and free from english rule. so I I wound him up severely i told him if they won the vote for independence he would be out of work the next day and would have to move back to scotland but his english wife and children would have to stay here he believed every word and started to go into meltdown waiting for the result
 
They haven’t even won an overall majority so will need the help of other parties to get things through.
Tells you all you need to know really.
 
Whilst personally thinking it would be unwise for Scotland to leave the Union, I can have some sympathy with those who in 2014 voted against independence purely on the basis that they were told that was the only way for Scotland to remain as part of the EU.
 
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Jaffa_The_Hut said:
They haven’t even won an overall majority so will need the help of other parties to get things through.
Tells you all you need to know really.
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Does it?
47% of the vote.
1 short but 1 more than last time.
And the point I made is that the majority of Scots voted for parties on the left of centre politics. Are you disputing that as well?
 
southshorepool said:
Democracy in action. Thought you were all in favour of it??
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Stop making stories up. The SNP are a serious threat to the union but if that’s what the people want then off you go. But you lose all your benefits in the process.
 
Scaramanga said:
Stop making stories up. The SNP are a serious threat to the union but if that’s what the people want then off you go. But you lose all your benefits in the process.
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It's very close up there. I wouldn't want to call it either way. It just shows how completely divided things are.
If they did go independent, they'd survive though.
 
Give them the vote, but if they want to leave then they/ll get the same kind of deal we got from the EU. It'll be very onerous.
 
southshorepool said:
It's very close up there. I wouldn't want to call it either way. It just shows how completely divided things are.
If they did go independent, they'd survive though.
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I don’t doubt they would survive, but without the benefits of Westminster it would be very tough for a while.
 
Archibald Knox said:
Just tell the Scots that all financial support from the rest of the UK will stop immediately and that the shortfall to maintain their way of life will have to be met by a poll tax on all Scottish residents. If they do not want to do that, as an independent country, then they can raise it from the banksters. And tell them they cannot use the £ Sterling as their currency, they can invent their own. At least that way they can print as many banknotes as they like and the wheelbarrow will replace the wallet.

Just so everyone is clear that if that’s what they want, that’s what they will get. It might set back Anglo-Scot relations to the level of the 13thC though. But at least they will have their “Freeeeeedom”. I doubt you’ll get the EU to make any pre-independence vote commitment. It might help if someone put NS on a course of Ritalin to calm her obsession down.
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Need new passports from day1 as well as currency and border controls set up. Thankfully a far shorter wall than the US Mexico one.
The big question though would be would 62 and counting relocate, hopefully he would stay put and just be an annoying memory
 
southshorepool said:
Does it?
47% of the vote.
1 short but 1 more than last time.
And the point I made is that the majority of Scots voted for parties on the left of centre politics. Are you disputing that as well?
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Forget the percentage game no one is disputing that I simply said the Sturgeon didn’t have an overall majority which the SNP don’t that’s all I said.
She’s was very disappointed (yet still putting on a brave face) in one interview I watched about not getting an overall majority.
Surely the SNP should have romped home in these elections winning every seat if the Scottish people all wanted independence?
 
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I'm not sure why Scaramanga and Jaffa are so against independence in Scotland. It would more or less finish Labour's chance of winning power in England, isn't that what they want?
 
She's got what she wants. She could have had a huge majority for independence if she had endorsed SNP 1 Alba 2. Over 1 million SNP list votes and just a couple of MSPs to show for it.
On the other hand, if Scotland is such a financial drain on England, why is it so imperative to keep Scotland in the UK?
Maybe the vast resources? Water, wind and wave power, forests etc?
By the way, I'm not an independence supporter. Just pointing out what may be lost.
 
Tangojoe said:
Will they really tick the box for £2000 additional tax per year for every man woman and child just to stay in the same bankrupt position they are now in?
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What about all the subsidies England has been giving them for the last 250 years? I think that should be repaid, not straight away of course, that would be very harsh. Over 5 years would be fine.
 
Loco said:
She's got what she wants. She could have had a huge majority for independence if she had endorsed SNP 1 Alba 2. Over 1 million SNP list votes and just a couple of MSPs to show for it.
On the other hand, if Scotland is such a financial drain on England, why is it so imperative to keep Scotland in the UK?
Maybe the vast resources? Water, wind and wave power, forests etc?
By the way, I'm not an independence supporter. Just pointing out what may be lost.
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By the way, I'm not an independence supporter. Just pointing out what may be lost.
I genuinely think the Scots have far more to lose than the English.
Have many forgotten how the EU said if the Scots had won independence at their referendum it wasn't a given that they'd be welcomed into the EU
 
I find it odd that no politicians are replying to journalists demanding to know why Scotland can’t have a referendum, that none of them say, you asked for, and had a once in a lifetime referendum in 2014, I don’t think 7 years is a lifetime. Michael Gove had the opportunity on Andrew Marr, but didn’t take it.

For me, if they want to go, let them, can’t see the problem.
 
If you actually delve into it the Independence vote it too close to call and not the surveys commissioned by those who want to leave it really is 50/50.

Apart from the Central belt (around Glasgow) the rest of the country in general wants to stay in the UK.

As someone posted above what happens with the massive debt we've racked up during this Pandemic do they walk away and leave it all to the English?
 
poolseasider said:
If you actually delve into it the Independence vote it too close to call and not the surveys commissioned by those who want to leave it really is 50/50.

Apart from the Central belt (around Glasgow) the rest of the country in general wants to stay in the UK.

As someone posted above what happens with the massive debt we've racked up during this Pandemic do they walk away and leave it all to the English?
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Surely we’d take the Eu stance, if you want to leave the club, you have to pay.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Surely the SNP should have romped home in these elections winning every seat if the Scottish people all wanted independence?
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Voting system for the Scottish Parliament is different to that of Westminster. Out of 73 constituency seats the SNP won 62. That’s the ‘romped home’ bit that you’re crowing about.
 
coppiceman said:
I'm not sure why Scaramanga and Jaffa are so against independence in Scotland. It would more or less finish Labour's chance of winning power in England, isn't that what they want?
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Well thats because you don’t listen you pleb.
 
I love the union but do believe their right to leave if they want. I do however think the once in a generation thing should have been stated as say 25 years minimum at the time.
They should also have 2 leave preferences on any ballot, 1 to leave and be truly independent, or 2 leave and be instantly subjugated again by joining the eussr. I'd be fascinated how that panned out...
 
I'm amazed that an organisation committed to freedom of movement can be called the "eussr". Some people clearly can't think past their prejudices.
 
My opinion is that if the Scottish people want independence they should have it, the only caveat being that the Scottish tax payers pay for it, it shouldn't cost Welsh, Irish or English tax payers a bean. The cost will be very significant.
 
I am a left of centre unionist who lives and works in Scotland. Some of the comments on here, from an English perspective, are the big reason why so many Scots want independence.

It isn't the English Pound, it is the UK's. Scotland may take more than it's population share of tax revenue currently, but for years since the 70's, oil revenues have kept the UK afloat. It would have to take it's share of debts, but would also be entitled to its share of assets. The biggest weakness last time was the inability of the SNP to come up with a decent financial model for currency, but the voters still voted 45% for it. Personally, I have no confidence that they have still got one, I saw the Scottish Finance Secretary "canvassing" in our village last weekend, she spoke to not a single voter, just wandered about with her minders.

The single biggest reason why it could be revisited so soon is the assertion that voting NO was the only way to stay in the EU. EU development money has been hugely important to rural Scotland, and Brexit has stopped that stone dead. The EU financed where Westminster didn't, basic transport infrastructure was transformed.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
I am a left of centre unionist who lives and works in Scotland. Some of the comments on here, from an English perspective, are the big reason why so many Scots want independence.

It isn't the English Pound, it is the UK's. Scotland may take more than it's population share of tax revenue currently, but for years since the 70's, oil revenues have kept the UK afloat. It would have to take it's share of debts, but would also be entitled to its share of assets. The biggest weakness last time was the inability of the SNP to come up with a decent financial model for currency, but the voters still voted 45% for it. Personally, I have no confidence that they have still got one, I saw the Scottish Finance Secretary "canvassing" in our village last weekend, she spoke to not a single voter, just wandered about with her minders.

The single biggest reason why it could be revisited so soon is the assertion that voting NO was the only way to stay in the EU. EU development money has been hugely important to rural Scotland, and Brexit has stopped that stone dead. The EU financed where Westminster didn't, basic transport infrastructure was transformed.
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Yes, the fish roads. See what happens north of Kinlochbervie.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
I am a left of centre unionist who lives and works in Scotland. Some of the comments on here, from an English perspective, are the big reason why so many Scots want independence.

It isn't the English Pound, it is the UK's. Scotland may take more than it's population share of tax revenue currently, but for years since the 70's, oil revenues have kept the UK afloat. It would have to take it's share of debts, but would also be entitled to its share of assets. The biggest weakness last time was the inability of the SNP to come up with a decent financial model for currency, but the voters still voted 45% for it. Personally, I have no confidence that they have still got one, I saw the Scottish Finance Secretary "canvassing" in our village last weekend, she spoke to not a single voter, just wandered about with her minders.

The single biggest reason why it could be revisited so soon is the assertion that voting NO was the only way to stay in the EU. EU development money has been hugely important to rural Scotland, and Brexit has stopped that stone dead. The EU financed where Westminster didn't, basic transport infrastructure was transformed.
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I’ve worked in the O&G industry up there for a while now. I really hope Scotland isnt putting all its eggs in one basket. I have no problem with independence if that is what the people want. But be careful what you wish for, especially if your not in charge of the full facts.
 
coppiceman said:
I'm amazed that an organisation committed to freedom of movement can be called the "eussr". Some people clearly can't think past their prejudices.
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I'm sorry Coppice but, looking at this thread, it is clear that you too can't see past your prejudices.

You have stated above that certain posters shouldn't want Scotland to remain in the Union as if Scotland were to leave it would help the Conservatives retain control - or words to that effect.

That doesn't necessarily make you a bad man but it clearly demonstrates prejudice.
 
The rise in English nationalism was always going to mean a rise in Scottish nationalism. We also have Northern Ireland cast apart by Westminster under different rules to the rest of the UK. The countries are all moving away from each other and the gaps are widening so the break up of the UK after 300 years seems inevitable - it's now just a question of when.
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
The rise in English nationalism was always going to mean a rise in Scottish nationalism. We also have Northern Ireland cast apart by Westminster under different rules to the rest of the UK. The countries are all moving away from each other and the gaps are widening so the break up of the UK after 300 years seems inevitable - it's now just a question of when.
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A bit like the Inevitable break up of the EU. Only the very strongest unions survive, and the UK union is far stronger then the EU. If that can't survive then I doubt very much if the EU will with all it's infighting and bureaucracy.
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
The rise in English nationalism was always going to mean a rise in Scottish nationalism. We also have Northern Ireland cast apart by Westminster under different rules to the rest of the UK. The countries are all moving away from each other and the gaps are widening so the break up of the UK after 300 years seems inevitable - it's now just a question of when.
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In the USA, they fly flags in their gardens & are rightly proud of the flag & their country...

The same in Scotland, Wales & certain areas of Northern Ireland

Meanwhile, try that in England............
 
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