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…. accused of murdering innocent civilians once again

Kinda makes it hard to criticise the ‘other side’ when they do the same thing 🤔
 
Unless an individual knows the full details of a concluded investigation, then they shouldn't jump to premature conclusions.
Our Special Forces guys risk their lives for their country, in the most difficult of battle grounds and for this, they deserve their countries full respect 🎖️ Unless of course war crimes are proven beyond all reasonable doubt against an individual & not just by the s*** stirring BBC.
 
🙄 So people shouldn’t jump to conclusions yet you jump to the conclusion that the BBC are ‘shit-stirring’

I seem to recall that some of the information gathered has come from former serving SAS soldiers. Are they shit-stirring, too 🤔 Perhaps they are ‘grasses’ and we should really despise them more than the potential war criminals
 
585 = never give up said:
Unless an individual knows the full details of a concluded investigation, then they shouldn't jump to premature conclusions.
Our Special Forces guys risk their lives for their country, in the most difficult of battle grounds and for this, they deserve their countries full respect 🎖️ Unless of course war crimes are proven beyond all reasonable doubt against an individual & not just by the s*** stirring BBC.
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Do you honestly think that the most respected broadcaster in the world would not check, double check and triple check before going with this story? Stop trying to muddy the waters.

It's another case of trying to defend the indefensible. Where have we heard that before?

I'm afraid there are a small number of men in the forces who shouldn't be let anywhere near weapons, and think they can get away with anything.

We saw it with the Americans in Vietnam, we're seeing it with the Russians in Ukraine, and we may have seen it with some British troops in Northern Ireland.

By its very nature the military can attract psychopaths.
 
So historically, the BBC have always been correct in their allegations and stories 🤣 🤣 🤣
How exactly from my post, am I 'muddying the waters'? That's an inaccurate accusation from someone whose already closed his mind to the evidence.
You're clearly an individuals who chooses to believe what is printed, from a one sided 'investigation', rather than follow the evidence, at the conclusion of a thorough and impartial investigation.
Your statement, which is based on a clear bias against members of our brave armed services, is shameful, and to compare them with those serving in other countries, especially Russia, is mind boggling.
These men are the bravest of the brave and believe me when I say, you're not fit to lace their boots 🥾
If they are found to have a case to answer, then so be it and the courts will decide on all the facts.
 
Recidivist3 said:
🙄 So people shouldn’t jump to conclusions yet you jump to the conclusion that the BBC are ‘shit-stirring’

I seem to recall that some of the information gathered has come from former serving SAS soldiers. Are they shit-stirring, too 🤔 Perhaps they are ‘grasses’ and we should really despise them more than the potential war criminals
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The BBC should have done the right thing and handed their evidence to the MOD for further investigation. What they are doing by putting a one sided investigation into the public domain, is trial by media.
If there is a case to answer, those who have made 'statements' will have to present that to the courts and be challenged on its accuracy.
The soldiers will then have the choice of defending themselves or to plead guilty.
If they are found guilty, then they face punishment - but that is a long, long way off. Except, you've already found them guilty, which is shameful.
 
Ollygon said:
Do you honestly think that the most respected broadcaster in the world would not check, double check and triple check before going with this story? Stop trying to muddy the waters.

It's another case of trying to defend the indefensible. Where have we heard that before?
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www.independent.co.uk

Ex-human rights lawyer Phil Shiner facing fraud charges over Iraq War claims

Shiner, from Birmingham, is due to appear at Westminster Magistrates’ Court on Monday.
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There’s an equal possibility of something like this happening.
 
Recidivist3 said:
…. accused of murdering innocent civilians once again

Kinda makes it hard to criticise the ‘other side’ when they do the same thing 🤔
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585 = never give up said:
The BBC should have done the right thing and handed their evidence to the MOD for further investigation. What they are doing by putting a one sided investigation into the public domain, is trial by media.
If there is a case to answer, those who have made 'statements' will have to present that to the courts and be challenged on its accuracy.
The soldiers will then have the choice of defending themselves or to plead guilty.
If they are found guilty, then they face punishment - but that is a long, long way off. Except, you've already found them guilty, which is shameful.
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no doubt the wonderful BBC investigative reporters were guided by Phil Shiner. It has turned into a very anti british organisation and I do not trust any content they produce.
 
First Northern Ireland and now Afghanistan.

The BBC are good at digging up the dirt from years ago involving our magnificent armed forces while they were under huge stress and strain and seeing fellow comrades blown to pieces.

Shame they don’t investigate the drug traffickers, people smugglers, and Paedophile gangs with the same commitment.
 
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585 = never give up said:
585 = never give up said:
So historically, the BBC have always been correct in their allegations and stories 🤣 🤣 🤣
How exactly from my post, am I 'muddying the waters'? That's an inaccurate accusation from someone whose already closed his mind to the evidence.
You're clearly an individuals who chooses to believe what is printed, from a one sided 'investigation', rather than follow the evidence, at the conclusion of a thorough and impartial investigation.
Your statement, which is based on a clear bias against members of our brave armed services, is shameful, and to compare them with those serving in other countries, especially Russia, is mind boggling.
These men are the bravest of the brave and believe me when I say, you're not fit to lace their boots 🥾
If they are found to have a case to answer, then so be it and the courts will decide on all the facts.
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Unless an individual knows the full details of a concluded investigation, then they shouldn't jump to premature conclusions.
Our Special Forces guys risk their lives for their country, in the most difficult of battle grounds and for this, they deserve their countries full respect 🎖️ Unless of course war crimes are proven beyond all reasonable doubt against an individual & not just by the s*** stirring BBC.
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What a load of crap.

Are you saying, that no-one (NO-ONE) in our forces is capable of this?

I don't know what your experience is, but I have 3 close relatives who have been in the forces both at Officer and NCO levels. Let me tell you that
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all 3 have encountered forces men with psychopathic tendencies. Usually they get weeded out at some time, but the odd one can slip through the net.

And even if they leave the forces? Look at the most recent case - Collin Reeves, jailed for 38 years for killing the couple next door over a parking dispute. No hint of PTSD either.

I'll throw it back to you - keep YOUR mind open.
 
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Looking at the posts on this topic, the usual suspects are out in force - yet again trying to defend the indefensible.

You've lost one battle already.
 
Ollygon said:
Typical rwnj crap.

Why don't you put the flag on your post as well. Oh no, that's Yaxley-Lennon isn't it?
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It’s Tit time again I see. 🐦

🇬🇧 There you go, you don’t have to be ashamed of it you know.

Isn’t Tommy more this? 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

So by you’re assumption if everyone is a racist that waves a flag there were 28,000 at Brighton’s Amex stadium last night 68,000 at Old Trafford last week just terrible to witness what’s happening to this bloody country of ours. 🙁🤣
 
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Does this explain why Ben Wallace was persuaded/decided to withdraw from the leadership contest? He’s in charge of the MoD after all.

As for the allegations - well like all allegations of possible criminal conduct they need to be properly investigated. If actions justify criminal charges then charges should be brought and the accused can then defend themselves in front of a jury. And acquitted or not.

That’s also the position of a Royal Marines Colonel interviewed this evening.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Does this explain why Ben Wallace was persuaded/decided to withdraw from the leadership contest? He’s in charge of the MoD after all.

As for the allegations - well like all allegations of possible criminal conduct they need to be properly investigated. If actions justify criminal charges then charges should be brought and the accused can then defend themselves in front of a jury. And acquitted or not.

That’s also the position of a Royal Marines Colonel interviewed this evening.
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Not the best timing I agree but according to Ben Wallace himself he withdrew because he’s a family man and he didn’t want to see a lot less of his family which he thought the PM position would demand.
 
Ollygon said:
What a load of crap.

Are you saying, that no-one (NO-ONE) in our forces is capable of this?

I don't know what your experience is, but I have 3 close relatives who have been in the forces both at Officer and NCO levels. Let me tell you that
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all 3 have encountered forces men with psychopathic tendencies. Usually they get weeded out at some time, but the odd one can slip through the net.

And even if they leave the forces? Look at the most recent case - Collin Reeves, jailed for 38 years for killing the couple next door over a parking dispute. No hint of PTSD either.

I'll throw it back to you - keep YOUR mind open.
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I'm not prepared to disclose my personal experience.
What a load of uneducated baloney you speak 🤣 🤣. Where have I said no one in our elite forces is capable of war crimes - that would a statement as daft as any you've made!
I've got this and I've got that & each 3rd party talks about psychopathic soldiers over dinner 😆 - wow impressive that you've no personal experience.
Soldiers are trained killers, so by nature they kill without remorse and of course rogue soldiers are capable of crossing the line.
IF you bothered to take your blinkers off and read what I've written, you'll realise how pathetic your 'open mind' comment is...... await the outcome of the impartial and complete investigation, and if a soldier has a case to answer, then he will do so before a court of law and not your kangaroo court.
I've nothing more to say on this matter other than stop prejudging & condemning our elite soldiers, based on a one sided bbc documentary from untrained investigators.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Does this explain why Ben Wallace was persuaded/decided to withdraw from the leadership contest? He’s in charge of the MoD after all.

As for the allegations - well like all allegations of possible criminal conduct they need to be properly investigated. If actions justify criminal charges then charges should be brought and the accused can then defend themselves in front of a jury. And acquitted or not.

That’s also the position of a Royal Marines Colonel interviewed this evening.
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Please try to explain that to the two daft lads who have already condemned our British Special Forces soldiers 🤣
 
If any special forces can bump off Putin well the SAS must be number 1 favourites. Don't care if they torture him for hours and force feed his testicles down his throat before bayoneting both his eyeballs.👍👍🇬🇧
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Not the best timing I agree but according to Ben Wallace himself he withdrew because he’s a family man and he didn’t want to see a lot less of his family which he thought the PM position would demand.
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Yes. And you can understand why you’d put your family before the scrutiny that comes with the position of PM. So that’s certainly believable.

But equally politicians have often used families as an excuse.

Tom Tugenhadt is also an ex soldier so the issue could still play in the leadership election.
 
Trammo said:
If any special forces can bump off Putin well the SAS must be number 1 favourites. Don't care if they torture him for hours and force feed his testicles down his throat before bayoneting both his eyeballs.👍👍🇬🇧
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And even if they did we’d have some Woke idiots crying out it’s a war crime and unlawful. 🤬
 
585 = never give up said:
I'm not prepared to disclose my personal experience.
What a load of uneducated baloney you speak 🤣 🤣. Where have I said no one in our elite forces is capable of war crimes - that would a statement as daft as any you've made!
I've got this and I've got that & each 3rd party talks about psychopathic soldiers over dinner 😆 - wow impressive that you've no personal experience.
Soldiers are trained killers, so by nature they kill without remorse and of course rogue soldiers are capable of crossing the line.
IF you bothered to take your blinkers off and read what I've written, you'll realise how pathetic your 'open mind' comment is...... await the outcome of the impartial and complete investigation, and if a soldier has a case to answer, then he will do so before a court of law and not your kangaroo court.
I've nothing more to say on this matter other than stop prejudging & condemning our elite soldiers, based on a one sided bbc documentary from untrained investigators.
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... and there you go again, - "one sided bbc documentary" - "untrained investigators".

Is that an impartial view?
 
We either believe in the rule of law, or we don't. If you read about the original SAS and SBS, they had their fair share of psychopaths, who proved great soldiers under iron discipline. Those who couldn't, were ruthlessly RTUd.

The report may be total twaddle, but it must be investigated. No one, despite the best efforts of Johnson, is above the Law. The investigation should be done by competent military authorities, with no publicity.
 
I would listen to those with past experience of the same situation, no one else has a ** clue what it's like, what do other units, personnel, think of this behaviour if proven?

That's the only opinion I'd listen to, everyone else, supportive or not, needs to shut the fuck up as we can't begin to comprehend this life.

Flag waving or service bashing is just pissing in the wind unless you've been through it.

We don't have to have an opinion on everything.
 
The amount of people who glorify and excuse British soldiers committing warcrimes, whilst simultaneously getting their knickers in a twist over Russia need to take a long hard look at themselves.

Blue team good, red team bad! A bunch of seals clapping along to the latest propaganda. Foaming at the mouth at the establishment's current bogeyman whilst ignoring all the evil and injustice meted out in our names. Disgusting. So many of you wouldn't know a principle if it walloped you on the side of the head.

Millions of civilians dead in Iraq and Afghanistan in our name, for what?
 
GeminiPool said:
The amount of people who glorify and excuse British soldiers committing warcrimes, whilst simultaneously getting their knickers in a twist over Russia need to take a long hard look at themselves.

Blue team good, red team bad! A bunch of seals clapping along to the latest propaganda. Foaming at the mouth at the establishment's current bogeyman whilst ignoring all the evil and injustice meted out in our names. Disgusting. So many of you wouldn't know a principle if it walloped you on the side of the head.

Millions of civilians dead in Iraq and Afghanistan in our name, for what?
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There’s a massive difference here between British soldiers committing war crimes and the war in Ukraine which I’am assuming is what you mean when you say Russia?

The war crimes in Afghanistan are alleged war crimes by both a BBC reporting team and a handful of Afghan civilians.

The war crimes in Ukraine have been witnessed by millions of people around the world in every country much of it recorded on film the only country in denial is surprise surprise Russia.

Let’s not forget war crimes investigations of soldiers in Afghanistan have already been carried out years ago and we’re inconclusive as no hard evidence of such crimes could be found.

Now before you go off on one I’am not saying for one minute no such war crimes were not committed in Afghanistan but they most certainly are in Ukraine right now and linking the two is just ludicrous.

And as for glorifying British soldiers that’s just so wrong.
 
Who on earth is pumping this shiite constantly. We seem to be on some weird self-destruct.

Who is pulling Panoramas strings? - whoever it is need reigning in.

The whole thing is bordering on Mad Max territory.
 
585 = never give up said:
I'm not prepared to disclose my personal experience.
What a load of uneducated baloney you speak 🤣 🤣. Where have I said no one in our elite forces is capable of war crimes - that would a statement as daft as any you've made!
I've got this and I've got that & each 3rd party talks about psychopathic soldiers over dinner 😆 - wow impressive that you've no personal experience.
Soldiers are trained killers, so by nature they kill without remorse and of course rogue soldiers are capable of crossing the line.
IF you bothered to take your blinkers off and read what I've written, you'll realise how pathetic your 'open mind' comment is...... await the outcome of the impartial and complete investigation, and if a soldier has a case to answer, then he will do so before a court of law and not your kangaroo court.
I've nothing more to say on this matter other than stop prejudging & condemning our elite soldiers, based on a one sided bbc documentary from untrained investigators.
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These allegations are from two of our brave boys who were there. Are they the untrained investigators you refer to?
 
Ollygon said:
Looking at the posts on this topic, the usual suspects are out in force - yet again trying to defend the indefensible.

You've lost one battle already.
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Defend the indefensible? The content was hearsay and conjecture and made up bollocks by ambulance chasing hacks. The video's were of the Australian SAS, it was investigated years ago, twice, and was found to have absolutely no merit.
 
Markobfc said:
Defend the indefensible? The content was hearsay and conjecture and made up bollocks by ambulance chasing hacks. The video's were of the Australian SAS, it was investigated years ago, twice, and was found to have absolutely no merit.
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I'd try to ignore which is easier said than done, I know. The fella's just had two whole years as a fully paid up stay at home hero - only possibly with the wealth derived from centuries of capitalism / the spoils of colonialism.
 
rockontommy said:
I'd try to ignore which is easier said than done, I know. The fella's just had two whole years as a fully paid up stay at home hero - only possibly with the wealth derived from centuries of capitalism / the spoils of colonialism.
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Sorry, I cannot sit idly by whilst colleagues past and present are besmirched by sensationalist headlines and anti British sentiment. Those who have never stood up should keep their mouths firmly closed.
 
GeminiPool said:
The amount of people who glorify and excuse British soldiers committing warcrimes, whilst simultaneously getting their knickers in a twist over Russia need to take a long hard look at themselves.

Blue team good, red team bad! A bunch of seals clapping along to the latest propaganda. Foaming at the mouth at the establishment's current bogeyman whilst ignoring all the evil and injustice meted out in our names. Disgusting. So many of you wouldn't know a principle if it walloped you on the side of the head.

Millions of civilians dead in Iraq and Afghanistan in our name, for what?
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This sentence is just so ** thick it's hard to comprehend anyone that isn't Russian writing it.
 
Markobfc said:
Sorry, I cannot sit idly by whilst colleagues past and present are besmirched by sensationalist headlines and anti British sentiment. Those who have never stood up should keep their mouths firmly closed.
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The first part is absolutely spot on and I say this for the same reasons as you re: colleagues. I would just slightly amend the second sentence to reflect that while the Armed Forces are rightly accountable to elected officials and the national and international legal obligations under which they Serve, those who have not Served should avoid making themselves look like naive dilettantes when opining in such negative and borderline defamatory comment on matters for which they no knowledge of fact and no operational experience on which to base a judgement.

Ok - I nibbled 🐠
 
Wizaard said:
These allegations are from two of our brave boys who were there. Are they the untrained investigators you refer to?
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I'm not sure what you mean Wiz, but if you're referring to two trained soldiers giving an anonymous version of events, they're not trained investigators. There is a huge difference between the two.
If there is a formal investigation, experienced, trained, impartial investigators, appointed by the MOD will undertake any investigation.
I hope this helps Wiz.
Taking a break from the 'why haven't Pool signed ......' with this thread, started by a known anti British poster, was fun while it lasted, but I'm off this thread now and concentrating on the football.
 
Operation Banner 1969–1997, deployment of the British army in Northern Ireland, the official SAS deployment from 1976.
  • Forkhill, 1976, senior IRA member Peter Cleary killed in struggle after capture by SAS.
  • Coagh, 1978.
  • Maghera, 1978, IRA members and an SAS unit exchange fire near Maghera, County Londonderry.
  • Derry, 1978, ambush of IRA member in Derry.
  • Belfast, 1978, ambush of three IRA members, one civilian also killed
  • M60 gang, 1980, eight IRA members arrested, SAS Captain Herbert Westmacott killed.[
  • Kesh ambush, 1984, ambush of four IRA members, two IRA members and one SAS soldier killed.
  • Strabane ambush, 1985, ambush of three IRA members
  • Roslea, 1986, ambush of two IRA members.
  • Operation Judy, 1987, ambush of eight IRA members.
  • Flavious, 1988, operation against three IRA members in Gibraltar.
  • Belfast, 1988, ambush of IRA unit as it attacked an RUC Station in Belfast, passing taxi driver killed
  • Drumnakilly, 1988, military confrontation that took place at Drumnakilly in County Tyrone.
  • Loughgall, 1990, ambush of two IRA members.
  • Strabane, 1990, ambush of INLA members, one killed.
  • Coagh, 1991, ambush of three IRA members.
  • Clonoe, 1992, ambush of six IRA members.
  • Coalisland, 1997, one alleged IRA member shot and wounded after a grenade attack on RUC barracks.]
  • South Armagh Sniper, 1997, the SAS captured one of two IRA sniper teams employing .50 BMG calibre Barrett M82 and M90 rifles.
Now that is a Roll of Honour
 
It’s not looking good for the whole Squardron of SAS.

Clear the premises, take one person back into the house and claim he picked up an AK or a grenade from behind a curtain and kill him. With his hands cable tied!

On many many occasions the same thing has happened and been covered up more than once.

The one Squadron trying to get a better kill ratio than the one that they replaced in Helmand.
 
SeasideKurt said:
This sentence is just so ** thick it's hard to comprehend anyone that isn't Russian writing it.
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Really? How is the invasion of Iraq materially any different to the invasion of Ukraine?

Estimates on civilian casualties in Iraq range from 300,000 to 5,000,000. As one US general glibly remarked when asked the question: "We don't do body counts."
 
GeminiPool said:
Really? How is the invasion of Iraq materially any different to the invasion of Ukraine?

Estimates on civilian casualties in Iraq range from 300,000 to 5,000,000. As one US general glibly remarked when asked the question: "We don't do body counts."
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I wouldn't waste your breath on him, he cannot debate he merely insults.
 
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