Santos red card

NewburyOne said:
I'm surprised to be honest, the same panel upheld Lavery's red at Sheffield Utd and Carey's at Burnley. Neither of which should have been a sending off and video evidence was far more clear. Shame as it would have been a 3 game suspension and he's a key player for them.
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Yep ours were absolutely clear and even had one in the prem via VAR overturned that dame week and yet they didn't ours.

It was undeniably a pen, the new rule about going for the ball in the box, or whatever it is being a yellow might have saved him.

But who cares, we got to wave him goodbye. 👋
 
"According to the FA’s laws of the game, having attempted to play, or challenge for the ball, in conceding the spot-kick, Almeida Santos should have received just a caution."
 
voyeur said:
"According to the FA’s laws of the game, having attempted to play, or challenge for the ball, in conceding the spot-kick, Almeida Santos should have received just a caution."
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That's how I understood the rule, if he's last man and made a genuine attempt for the ball in the penalty area it's a pen and a yellow card, I thought at the time the ref got it wrong and this confirms it.
 
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It looked more like an attempt to flatten our player, than to clear the ball.

We couldn’t even get the Lavery red card overturned last season when he was sent off for being pushed over at Bramhall Lane 🤨
 
I can’t understand why the confusion, if the challenger was outside the box a red card is correct but in the box it’s a yellow.

I’m just amazed the ref got it wrong, not that I’m complaining😉
 
Raging_Bull said:
I can’t understand why the confusion, if the challenger was outside the box a red card is correct but in the box it’s a yellow.

I’m just amazed the ref got it wrong, not that I’m complaining😉
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Is this because it would be deemed unfair to give BOTH a penalty and a red card?
 
It's harsh to be fair, traditionally it's a clear cut red card but the double jeopardy stuff saved him.

Good, glad the really good bastard went off. Decent player and will be above League One with or without Bolton.
 
maxnix said:
Is this because it would be deemed unfair to give BOTH a penalty and a red card?
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Correct, I’m not with you Brett&Murphs for me he not only attempted to play the ball he actually got a piece of it but the referee decided he played the man first so a pen was given.

Funny how we can all watch the same thing and have a different view of it.
 
Genuinely amazed that got overturned. I’m not necessarily disagreeing with the decision it’s just it’s normally got to be a clear and obvious error by the referee for them to overturn it where as I do think it’s quite contentious.
Bolton have history for successfully appealing red cards so probably have someone’s ear at the FA.
Given the appeals we have had rejected there is no way we would of got away with that.
 
voyeur said:
They haven't said he played the ball. They say he challenged for the ball, so it should have been a penalty and a yellow, for a foul, but not a red.
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That’s correct, but if you watch where the ball goes after the challenge it shoots off towards the corner flag so he has had to have played the ball, however the ref deemed he took the man out first hence the penalty decision, but he should have given a yellow not a red card.
 
I was surprised he got sent off after the pen was given because of this new double jeopardy rule. I thought maybe there was some other rule in play like if it's considered a dangerous challenge it can be a sending off and a pen or something, but clearly not!
 
Raging_Bull said:
That’s correct, but if you watch where the ball goes after the challenge it shoots off towards the corner flag so he has had to have played the ball, however the ref deemed he took the man out first hence the penalty decision, but he should have given a yellow not a red card.
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He booted Joseph’s feet into the ball
 
1.if both feet leave the ground during a tackle it is an automatic red. (even if no contact with opposing player is made)
Nowhere in fifa rules does intent matter. the rules are simple.
It was a red but it’s Bolton so it wasnt
 
JJpool said:
Yep ours were absolutely clear and even had one in the prem via VAR overturned that dame week and yet they didn't ours.

It was undeniably a pen, the new rule about going for the ball in the box, or whatever it is being a yellow might have saved him.

But who cares, we got to wave him goodbye. 👋
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This rule about attempting to play the ball and it's a yellow is utter bollocks, every single player can claim to be attempting to get the ball, if it's a goal scoring opportunity then it should be Eva red simple as that.
 
TangerinePeel said:
I was surprised he got sent off after the pen was given because of this new double jeopardy rule. I thought maybe there was some other rule in play like if it's considered a dangerous challenge it can be a sending off and a pen or something, but clearly not!
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So if that tackle happens just outside the box it's a red, as happend to Casey against Peterborough?
 
There law states that excessive force is a Red.
And there's a law that says an attempt to play the ball whilst fouling and denying a goal-scoring attempt is a Yellow.
The law doesn't address what happens if the attempt to play the ball also uses excessive force.

So either the FA have decided, there is no excessive force in this instance (which surprises me with the airborne nature and from behind) or the law on excessive force doesn't outweigh the attempt to play the ball and fouling in a goal-scoring situation (which also surprises me).

I suspect they have concluded no excessive force and a genuine attempt to play the ball. I don't think the evidence warrants overruling the ref's original decision.

Does anybody have a link to the FA's reasoning?
 
Raging_Bull said:
I can’t understand why the confusion, if the challenger was outside the box a red card is correct but in the box it’s a yellow.

I’m just amazed the ref got it wrong, not that I’m complaining😉
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So if he'd gone through the back of Joseph, studs up, on full power, shattered both his legs, that would still only be a yellow because it was in the box?

If it's a red outside the box, it's a red in the box.
 
Delfino said:
There law states that excessive force is a Red.
And there's a law that says an attempt to play the ball whilst fouling and denying a goal-scoring attempt is a Yellow.
The law doesn't address what happens if the attempt to play the ball also uses excessive force.

So either the FA have decided, there is no excessive force in this instance (which surprises me with the airborne nature and from behind) or the law on excessive force doesn't outweigh the attempt to play the ball and fouling in a goal-scoring situation (which also surprises me).

I suspect they have concluded no excessive force and a genuine attempt to play the ball. I don't think the evidence warrants overruling the ref's original decision.

Does anybody have a link to the FA's reasoning?
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Reasoning? The FA?

You must be new here.
 
Lost Seasider said:
So if he'd gone through the back of Joseph, studs up, on full power, shattered both his legs, that would still only be a yellow because it was in the box?

If it's a red outside the box, it's a red in the box.
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Yeah, but he didn't did he? If the challenge was using excessive force with studs up it's a red irrelevant to whether it's in the box, out of the box or in the players tunnel for that matter, it's a straight red.

The FA have viewed the incident no doubt from every camera angle available and have correctly in my view rescinded the red card to a yellow.
 
Raging_Bull said:
Yeah, but he didn't did he? If the challenge was using excessive force with studs up it's a red irrelevant to whether it's in the box, out of the box or in the players tunnel for that matter, it's a straight red.

The FA have viewed the incident no doubt from every camera angle available and have correctly in my view rescinded the red card to a yellow.
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So the fact that it was inside the box has no effect upon whether it's a red card or not, glad we've cleared that up.
 
Victorsponge said:
This rule about attempting to play the ball and it's a yellow is utter bollocks, every single player can claim to be attempting to get the ball, if it's a goal scoring opportunity then it should be Eva red simple as that.
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I guess of they just pulled someone down that wouldn't be an attempt, tbf he did seem to go for it, but Joseph had the run on him and nipped in last second.

Definitely a pen, the rest who knows.
 
NewburyOne said:
I'm surprised to be honest, the same panel upheld Lavery's red at Sheffield Utd and Carey's at Burnley. Neither of which should have been a sending off and video evidence was far more clear. Shame as it would have been a 3 game suspension and he's a key player for them.
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Yes but Bolton didn't protest outside the EFL, did they?
 
I think people are unaware of the latest rules...

"The double-jeopardy law states: "Where a player commits an offence against an opponent within their own penalty area which denies an opponent an obvious goal-scoring opportunity and the referee awards a penalty kick, the offender is cautioned if the offence was an attempt to play the ball; in all other circumstances (e.g. holding, pulling, pushing, no possibility to play the ball etc.) the offending player must be sent off."
 
NewburyOne said:
I'm surprised to be honest, the same panel upheld Lavery's red at Sheffield Utd and Carey's at Burnley. Neither of which should have been a sending off and video evidence was far more clear. Shame as it would have been a 3 game suspension and he's a key player for them.
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Doesn’t matter to us they could be playing one of our rivals
 
Wasn't a red, im sorry to disagree with the majority here.

Santos was focused on blocking the ball without seeing our player coming in from behind and across. Although he was off the ground it wasn't two footed or had his studs showing.

Stone wall penalty all day long but not a red.
 
I assume referee's report stated that a red card was given because Santos was making no attempt to play the ball. Panel overturned as they judged that he made an attempt to play the ball probably due to fact that he was looking to play the ball before Joseph got in front of him.

If the red card was given due to excessive force then struggle to see how it could be overturned as you could argue the toss both ways.
 
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