Ukraine children’s hospital ‘completely destroyed’ by Russian bombs
Women in labour were injured and children are buried under the rubble, according to reports
www.independent.co.uk
JaffaNothing will be done other than more condemnation from the west.
We’ve proved time and time again Nato is too scared to take Putin on yet things like this will go on and on and nothing will happen.
No one’s going to take Putin out this conflict will go on and on until he’s completed his objective.Jaffa
NATO are not scared of him one iota but they have to tread carefully.
If they went in with a gun-ho attitude and started a 3rd World war which, in all probability, would put us as sitting ducks, would you blame NATO or just accept the invasion of us as a bi-product of the invasion of Ukrainia?
The only way for this to end is for someone to take Putin out and it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if it came from Russia.
When this is over and Ukraine is largely within RussIan hands and anyone trying to protest is arrested and locked up for 15 years, the west will say, this is terrible, but we did everything we could and we’ll continue to ramp up sanctions. Meanwhile, Putin will be gloating and cosying up to China to overcome the sanctions.No one’s going to take Putin out this conflict will go on and on until he’s completed his objective.
The west are letting the people of Ukraine down every single day that passes.
regretfully i have to agree with you JaffaNothing will be done other than more condemnation from the west.
We’ve proved time and time again Nato is too scared to take Putin on yet things like this will go on and on and nothing will happen.
The country and citizens are proper fucked now and not just in the short term. Once alternative oil and gas supplies are found and agreed for mainly those countries massively dependent on Russia, then there are very few places where they can sell these products and that’s why that turncoat Imran Khan was cosying up to Putin a few weeks ago!I also think the Russia s will turn on putin. When they can’t buy anything or pay their mortgages and bills
So far the following and more have stopped things in Russia which will have an almighty effect
Rouble now worth nothing
Netflix
PL games
Athlethes and sports banned from competing
Pepsi co and Coca Cola
Maccies
Kfc
Pizza hut
IKEA
Mothercare
Visa
Mastercard
Apple Pay
Will be 100s more too
Sanctions will make the people leaner and fitter, all the better to wage war.Sanctions are the way forward, this has the potential to set a new level of world unity and sanctions, this is the best and only real option to force a conclusion. These will start to hurt Russia and its people very soon. What’s the point of being in the higher echelon of society with loads of money if you cannot travel or spend it. People from ALL levels in Russia will soon start to turn on Putin in large numbers. Not that they wanted this in the 1st place, his only way to win was a quick war, and that’s not happened, Putin has ******* up big style. The West is even talking about not using its oil and gas, this would get all types of people of influence to turn on Putin.
Will you read threads properly please. It's not a matter of NATO being scared. We need to be cautious because of nuclear weapons. There is no other answer. It's bad, it's distressing but there it is.Nothing will be done other than more condemnation from the west.
We’ve proved time and time again Nato is too scared to take Putin on yet things like this will go on and on and nothing will happen.
Totally agree .Sanctions are the way forward, this has the potential to set a new level of world unity and sanctions, this is the best and only real option to force a conclusion. These will start to hurt Russia and its people very soon. What’s the point of being in the higher echelon of society with loads of money if you cannot travel or spend it. People from ALL levels in Russia will soon start to turn on Putin in large numbers. Not that they wanted this in the 1st place, his only way to win was a quick war, and that’s not happened, Putin has ******* up big style. The West is even talking about not using its oil and gas, this would get all types of people of influence to turn on Putin.
I’ve read them till I’am blue in the face.Will you read threads properly please. It's not a matter of NATO being scared. We need to be cautious because of nuclear weapons. There is no other answer. It's bad, it's distressing but there it is.
I hear your frustration and I'm with you all the way. As are all posters on here who are rational. But, I don't think the USA or any European country is being bullied. There is no military intervention possible. For an analogy, go back to WW2. The USA bent over backwards to help us with munitions, shipping and supplies before they joined in. That's what we are doing now. But, nuclear weapons prevent us doing anything militarily. Look at it another way...there is no way Russia dare attack any NATO country.I’ve read them till I’am blue in the face.
And I’am sick and tired of people saying sanctions will work given time.
Do you seriously think Ukraine has time on its hands?
I bet Putin is quaking in his boots at the thought of no Micky D’s for tea washed down with a Coca Cola.
NATO needs to grow some balls and stand up to Putin for once Instead of constantly being bullied.
i am the same as Jaffa so frustrated and sad by it all. But imo you speak sense and sanctions are the way forward for now!I hear your frustration and I'm with you all the way. As are all posters on here who are rational. But, I don't think the USA or any European country is being bullied. There is no military intervention possible. For an analogy, go back to WW2. The USA bent over backwards to help us with munitions, shipping and supplies before they joined in. That's what we are doing now. But, nuclear weapons prevent us doing anything militarily. Look at it another way...there is no way Russia dare attack any NATO country.
It's bluster Jaffa. There is no way he will attack a NATO country.But we are being bullied by direct threats from Putin.
We were told he’s not invading Ukraine and he did, then he said if anyone intervenes they will face the full might of the Russian army like never seen before.
He then threatened us by saying he was putting his nuclear force on stand by.
If that’s not bullying the west then I'am sorry but I don’t know what is.
I get you Jaffa.
But the world is terrified of a WW3 that involves nuclear weapons.
It‘s not a fear of Putin‘s strength or Russian military strength.
It’s the not knowing how utterly deranged, unhinged and evil Putin’s mind may actually be if pushed, and the global catastrophe that could result in.
I agree.It's bluster Jaffa. There is no way he will attack a NATO country.
Had the Ukraine rolled over and made the invasion easy, I 100% believe Poland, Estonia, Lithuania or Latvia would have been next on his invasion list. Fortunately, they are making life very difficult for the Red Army and he knows that invading a NATO country now would be an absolute clusterfuck.I agree.
I also don’t think he will continue his crusade into any other country, NATO or otherwise for several reasons.
One being that he didn’t envisage the complications of this invasion brought on by the bravery and determination of Ukraine to fight back.
Another being because of the severity of the sanctions and the price that any further invasion would cost Russia.
He won’t back down in Ukraine as that’s about ego and evil stubbornness, but I think he’d think twice about invading anywhere else.
I don’t buy this idea that nuclear weapons prevent us from getting involved militarily, should Russia attack a Nato country, we would engage despite nuclear weapons. We can’t say he won’t ever invade a Nato member, because he might, there are Nato countries where areas are mainly occupied by Russians, who might demand he does the same as he did in Crimea, or Donbass.I hear your frustration and I'm with you all the way. As are all posters on here who are rational. But, I don't think the USA or any European country is being bullied. There is no military intervention possible. For an analogy, go back to WW2. The USA bent over backwards to help us with munitions, shipping and supplies before they joined in. That's what we are doing now. But, nuclear weapons prevent us doing anything militarily. Look at it another way...there is no way Russia dare attack any NATO country.
Oh I’m not aaying we won’t go in hard if he attacks a NATO county.I don’t buy this idea that nuclear weapons prevent us from getting involved militarily, should Russia attack a Nato country, we would engage despite nuclear weapons. We can’t say he won’t ever invade a Nato member, because he might, there are Nato countries where areas are mainly occupied by Russians, who might demand he does the same as he did in Crimea, or Donbass.
I don’t buy this idea that nuclear weapons prevent us from getting involved militarily, should Russia attack a Nato country, we would engage despite nuclear weapons. We can’t say he won’t ever invade a Nato member, because he might, there are Nato countries where areas are mainly occupied by Russians, who might demand he does the same as he did in Crimea, or Donbass.
Putin is so hell bent on achieving what he set out to do, irrespective of the number of deaths he causes on both sides, or how he is 'riding roughshod' over humanitarian issues.
He has already threatened that any country or NATO that puts troops on the ground in support of Ukraine will be a legitimate target, and Russia would be at war with them due to their interfering in his 'special military operation'
The nagging thought at the back of my mind, taking into account how Putin seems to beligerently view things in his world, is how long will it be before he decides that any countries (and NATO countries in particular) who have supplied weapons, ammunition and training for Ukraine forces to utilise in defence of their country against an out and out aggressive invader have transgressed in some manner, despite not having 'actual' troops fighting alongside Ukraine army/resistance fighters are vicariously 'guilty' of escalating the invasion by virtue of the fact that they have supplied weapons to Ukraine, which are being used in direct action against his troops.
I agree that the link is tenuous, but........ nobody has any idea what the voices in his head are telling him, so he could feasibly use that skewed argument to test the mettle of NATO and others.
I will expect Putin to be continually plagued by guerilla warfare from the point he takes 'control' of Ukraine.When this is over and Ukraine is largely within RussIan hands and anyone trying to protest is arrested and locked up for 15 years, the west will say, this is terrible, but we did everything we could and we’ll continue to ramp up sanctions. Meanwhile, Putin will be gloating and cosying up to China to overcome the sanctions.
Agree Jaffa - it’s embarrassing - the nervousness over the Polish - US MIG jet swap shows we are run by bureaucrats not leadersNothing will be done other than more condemnation from the west.
We’ve proved time and time again Nato is too scared to take Putin on yet things like this will go on and on and nothing will happen.