Right then time to sort this shite out

Phil_bfc deux

Phil_bfc deux

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If we are going to carry on with this ponderous way of playing with wide men on the wrong fcuking side then Critchley need backing in the window with a couple of proper wing backs who can defend as well as being able to cross the flaming ball as we actually have strikers this season who thrive in the box

3 at the back isn't the problem it just means we can't play our best defender in it as he can't pass the ball for toffee so again a ball playing centre half is needed

Its all a bit disjointed again which after the cluster fuck of last season is really unacceptable

There is no atmosphere and any feal good factor has well and truly gone as we are sleep walking to mid table mediocrity

All isn't lost though we just need to play quicker with people in their correct positions, looks like Kenny and Marv are off as well, so its a big window again for the man at the top

Also a more general point about this site, can the moderators please stop trying to control debate on the OT section by selective deleting and editing of posts, it really is quite pathetic just trying to censor debate and push a left wing agenda all the time

All the best
Phil
 
But it's working at home not away which needs massively sorting out.🙄

We've teams playing like the away team when their at home Burton and Cambridge case in point.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
If we are going to carry on with this ponderous way of playing with wide men on the wrong fcuking side then Critchley need backing in the window with a couple of proper wing backs who can defend as well as being able to cross the flaming ball as we actually have strikers this season who thrive in the box

3 at the back isn't the problem it just means we can't play our best defender in it as he can't pass the ball for toffee so again a ball playing centre half is needed

Its all a bit disjointed again which after the cluster fuck of last season is really unacceptable

There is no atmosphere and any feal good factor has well and truly gone as we are sleep walking to mid table mediocrity

All isn't lost though we just need to play quicker with people in their correct positions, looks like Kenny and Marv are off as well, so its a big window again for the man at the top

Also a more general point about this site, can the moderators please stop trying to control debate on the OT section by selective deleting and editing of posts, it really is quite pathetic just trying to censor debate and push a left wing agenda all the time

All the best
Phil
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Cant disagree with any of that and welcome back Phil.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
If we are going to carry on with this ponderous way of playing with wide men on the wrong fcuking side then Critchley need backing in the window with a couple of proper wing backs who can defend as well as being able to cross the flaming ball as we actually have strikers this season who thrive in the box

3 at the back isn't the problem it just means we can't play our best defender in it as he can't pass the ball for toffee so again a ball playing centre half is needed

Its all a bit disjointed again which after the cluster fuck of last season is really unacceptable

There is no atmosphere and any feal good factor has well and truly gone as we are sleep walking to mid table mediocrity

All isn't lost though we just need to play quicker with people in their correct positions, looks like Kenny and Marv are off as well, so its a big window again for the man at the top

Also a more general point about this site, can the moderators please stop trying to control debate on the OT section by selective deleting and editing of posts, it really is quite pathetic just trying to censor debate and push a left wing agenda all the time

All the best
Phil
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Welcome back and you’re spot on.

Time for a decent January window don’t think we’ve had one for a few years.

Wing-backs, central midfielder who can move forwards with the ball, ball playing centre half to play in middle & a striker if Rhodes goes back.

A couple of decent signings and wins and the atmosphere will be properly back. Selling your best players, dropping a league and then being reluctant to spend it back fully on transfer fees breeds the sense of accepting mediocrity.

We’ve got a big infrastructure now behind the scenes so let’s see what they are about and not let this season drift. It’s giving Grayson 19/20 vibes.
 
Adams Kebab said:
Welcome back and you’re spot on.

Time for a decent January window don’t think we’ve had one for a few years.

Wing-backs, central midfielder who can move forwards with the ball, ball playing centre half to play in middle & a striker if Rhodes goes back.

A couple of decent signings and wins and the atmosphere will be properly back. Selling your best players, dropping a league and then being reluctant to spend it back fully on transfer fees breeds the sense of accepting mediocrity.

We’ve got a big infrastructure now behind the scenes so let’s see what they are about and not let this season drift. It’s giving Grayson 19/20 vibes.
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Must admit it's been a bit of a dull watch granted I've only done a handful of games this season but in the 4 away games I've done I haven't seen a single goal goal for us

I do get the impression that Sadler is more in his comfort zone in league 1 and doesn't really have the ambition that a lot of our fans have

I've been reading this site even though I haven't been posting and I keep seeing nonsense about our fans being entitled

It's got fuck all to do with being entitled it's more a case of some of us having a bit more ambition than others
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
I do get the impression that Sadler is more in his comfort zone in league 1 and doesn't really have the ambition that a lot of our fans have
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I think we’ll get a clearer idea on this on February 1st.

It’s only my view but I think NC has been told that this season isn’t a must get top 6, that’s just a bonus if we do. It’s all about stabilising things after a shite season and shocking appointments. It’s the reason he went for him, safe. We’re also a bit at a stage of what are we again? The model was sign young, hungry players to sell-on to reinvest to go again but better. We’ve sold our best two players and seemed to stop at it.

Regarding the expectation, having just watched NC interview talking about how “over time” he wants this team to become possession based & the teams at the top have the most possession, it makes me think it more. He’s in danger though big-time of falling down the pointless possession route which Burton highlighted.

We should be aiming for a top 6 finish minimum. It won’t actually take us much as we drill teams at home without actually being that good. It’s not entitled thinking like that, course we’re going to lose games you expect that but it’s the way we’ve just rolled over in the away ones to shit teams.

I think the team is weak as piss though physically and when it gets a bit messy and tough. Any team who starts taking the piss wasting time or getting physical we don’t seem to have anything about us to react. That’s a reflection of the manager though, he probably tells them to “kill them with possession”…
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
I do get the impression that Sadler is more in his comfort zone in league 1 and doesn't really have the ambition that a lot of our fans have
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What has given you that impression?

I haven't seen anything to suggest he doesn't want Championship football. He's made mistakes but I wouldn't question his desire.

Agree with most of the O/P.
 
Adams Kebab said:
I think we’ll get a clearer idea on this on February 1st.

It’s only my view but I think NC has been told that this season isn’t a must get top 6, that’s just a bonus if we do. It’s all about stabilising things after a shite season and shocking appointments. It’s the reason he went for him, safe. We’re also a bit at a stage of what are we again? The model was sign young, hungry players to sell-on to reinvest to go again but better. We’ve sold our best two players and seemed to stop at it.

Regarding the expectation, having just watched NC interview talking about how “over time” he wants this team to become possession based & the teams at the top have the most possession, it makes me think it more. He’s in danger though big-time of falling down the pointless possession route which Burton highlighted.

We should be aiming for a top 6 finish minimum. It won’t actually take us much as we drill teams at home without actually being that good. It’s not entitled thinking like that, course we’re going to lose games you expect that but it’s the way we’ve just rolled over in the away ones to shit teams.

I think the team is weak as piss though physically and when it gets a bit messy and tough. Any team who starts taking the piss wasting time or getting physical we don’t seem to have anything about us to react. That’s a reflection of the manager though, he probably tells them to “kill them with possession”…
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mmmm...disagree with your comments on stabilising things. We were a poor Championship team last season but nevertheless we were a Championship team. Critchley inherited a lot of players he already knew and he signed what were supposedly some very good players. I think both he and the fans started the season with plenty of optimism. Our performances on the whole have been underwhelming with very few highlights to date. We look at best a mid table team ie somewhere between 8th and 15th although probably nearer the top end of those positions. I think most teams relegated from the Championship have a belief that they can bounce back immediately and i think that's a reasonable ambition. So no, it's not about stability as coming midtable isn't stability it's taking a pretty big step backwards. And for me that should be unacceptable to Sadler. Too many other big clubs have been relegated to L1 and some are still there and some have only just gone back up. Stability isn't about staying in L1 it's about getting back up. Because the longer you stay down the harder it is then to get back up.
 
20togo said:
mmmm...disagree with your comments on stabilising things. We were a poor Championship team last season but nevertheless we were a Championship team. Critchley inherited a lot of players he already knew and he signed what were supposedly some very good players. I think both he and the fans started the season with plenty of optimism. Our performances on the whole have been underwhelming with very few highlights to date. We look at best a mid table team ie somewhere between 8th and 15th although probably nearer the top end of those positions. I think most teams relegated from the Championship have a belief that they can bounce back immediately and i think that's a reasonable ambition. So no, it's not about stability as coming midtable isn't stability it's taking a pretty big step backwards. And for me that should be unacceptable to Sadler. Too many other big clubs have been relegated to L1 and some are still there and some have only just gone back up. Stability isn't about staying in L1 it's about getting back up. Because the longer you stay down the harder it is then to get back up.
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I agree with you, but what I’m saying is I don’t think the Club do. I think they want a stable season with a top 6 finish a bonus.

Whereas the majority of us think we should be top 6 as a minimum & want us to sign the best players we can, not Tashan Oakley Boothe for example.

The Club have a weird way of communicating things like when asked why we’ve not reinvested the Yates money but said we have the most expensive player in Kyle Joseph. We didn’t actually pay for him, he was part of a swap deal. Dougall being rested etc.

All actions speak to just being happy to stabilise.
 
I think CJ has kept things moving at RWB quite a lot of the time, Thompson and Dale likewise at LWB, but Lyons and Connolly have kept the left side clogged up.
Gabriel and Lyons might have the right side covered OK with Connolly as cover.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
If we are going to carry on with this ponderous way of playing with wide men on the wrong fcuking side then Critchley need backing in the window with a couple of proper wing backs who can defend as well as being able to cross the flaming ball as we actually have strikers this season who thrive in the box

3 at the back isn't the problem it just means we can't play our best defender in it as he can't pass the ball for toffee so again a ball playing centre half is needed

Its all a bit disjointed again which after the cluster fuck of last season is really unacceptable

There is no atmosphere and any feal good factor has well and truly gone as we are sleep walking to mid table mediocrity

All isn't lost though we just need to play quicker with people in their correct positions, looks like Kenny and Marv are off as well, so its a big window again for the man at the top

Also a more general point about this site, can the moderators please stop trying to control debate on the OT section by selective deleting and editing of posts, it really is quite pathetic just trying to censor debate and push a left wing agenda all the time

All the best
Phil
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Welcome back
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Must admit it's been a bit of a dull watch granted I've only done a handful of games this season but in the 4 away games I've done I haven't seen a single goal goal for us

I do get the impression that Sadler is more in his comfort zone in league 1 and doesn't really have the ambition that a lot of our fans have

I've been reading this site even though I haven't been posting and I keep seeing nonsense about our fans being entitled

It's got fuck all to do with being entitled it's more a case of some of us having a bit more ambition than others
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On wingback we have 2 Gabriel if he can stay fit and Lyons if he can rediscover his form.
Think CJ is trying to improve his defensive ability but it seems at the expense of his forward play, Dale is also OK going forward so if we are trying to press more he can be useful.
 
glasshalffull said:
I think CJ has kept things moving at RWB quite a lot of the time, Thompson and Dale likewise at LWB, but Lyons and Connolly have kept the left side clogged up.
Gabriel and Lyons might have the right side covered OK with Connolly as cover.
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Connelly as cover!!! What do u mean he is our star player.... sorry thought I was critch then.

No way should he be starting tonight. But will or be on bench and come on.. that is virtually nailed on
 
tangysider said:
On wingback we have 2 Gabriel if he can stay fit and Lyons if he can rediscover his form.
Think CJ is trying to improve his defensive ability but it seems at the expense of his forward play, Dale is also OK going forward so if we are trying to press more he can be useful.
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I would like to see a right footer on the right and a left on the left

Old fashioned I know but it's simply a quicker way of getting forward and the ball into the box earlier
 
Adams Kebab said:
I agree with you, but what I’m saying is I don’t think the Club do. I think they want a stable season with a top 6 finish a bonus.

Whereas the majority of us think we should be top 6 as a minimum & want us to sign the best players we can, not Tashan Oakley Boothe for example.

The Club have a weird way of communicating things like when asked why we’ve not reinvested the Yates money but said we have the most expensive player in Kyle Joseph. We didn’t actually pay for him, he was part of a swap deal. Dougall being rested etc.

All actions speak to just being happy to stabilise.
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re your first line I would hope Sadler doesn't see mid table as stability.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Must admit it's been a bit of a dull watch granted I've only done a handful of games this season but in the 4 away games I've done I haven't seen a single goal goal for us

I do get the impression that Sadler is more in his comfort zone in league 1 and doesn't really have the ambition that a lot of our fans have

I've been reading this site even though I haven't been posting and I keep seeing nonsense about our fans being entitled

It's got fuck all to do with being entitled it's more a case of some of us having a bit more ambition than others
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Spot on with the comment about the fans. It frustrates me to see posters slagging off our fans just because we are ambitious and expect better than the dross being served up away from home.

Also, I have a feeling you may be right about Sadler. I've mentioned it a couple of times myself. He's in his comfort zone in L1.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
I would like to see a right footer on the right and a left on the left

Old fashioned I know but it's simply a quicker way of getting forward and the ball into the box earlier
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Id hope for several Thousand pounds a week, they could cross the ball with both feet, allowing for them to pull inside & then cross the ball?
 
FY5_Seasider said:
Spot on with the comment about the fans. It frustrates me to see posters slagging off our fans just because we are ambitious and expect better than the dross being served up away from home.

Also, I have a feeling you may be right about Sadler. I've mentioned it a couple of times myself. He's in his comfort zone in L1.
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How is he in his comfort zone? He has said repeatedly that he wants the club to compete in the Championship. The man has made mistakes but are you calling him a liar? Or just talking shite?
 
Welcome bk Phil, I'm setting off to the game in a bit and I think we are at a crossroads now regarding players Manager formation and who is to blame etc, the players got rolled over by Cambridge and Managerless Burton and the lack of fight is alarming especially away from home, we the Fans have had 2yrs of shite now and it's time for Norburn to rally his fellow players as atm we have no fight.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
If we are going to carry on with this ponderous way of playing with wide men on the wrong fcuking side then Critchley need backing in the window with a couple of proper wing backs who can defend as well as being able to cross the flaming ball as we actually have strikers this season who thrive in the box

3 at the back isn't the problem it just means we can't play our best defender in it as he can't pass the ball for toffee so again a ball playing centre half is needed

Its all a bit disjointed again which after the cluster fuck of last season is really unacceptable

There is no atmosphere and any feal good factor has well and truly gone as we are sleep walking to mid table mediocrity

All isn't lost though we just need to play quicker with people in their correct positions, looks like Kenny and Marv are off as well, so its a big window again for the man at the top

Also a more general point about this site, can the moderators please stop trying to control debate on the OT section by selective deleting and editing of posts, it really is quite pathetic just trying to censor debate and push a left wing agenda all the time

All the best
Phil
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I wondered how long you could stay off posting on here 😂 so nice to see you back. You pinpoint our shortcomings well in your post. So we’ll probably get your suggested additions then sack Critchley.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
If we are going to carry on with this ponderous way of playing with wide men on the wrong fcuking side then Critchley need backing in the window with a couple of proper wing backs who can defend as well as being able to cross the flaming ball as we actually have strikers this season who thrive in the box

3 at the back isn't the problem it just means we can't play our best defender in it as he can't pass the ball for toffee so again a ball playing centre half is needed

Its all a bit disjointed again which after the cluster fuck of last season is really unacceptable

There is no atmosphere and any feal good factor has well and truly gone as we are sleep walking to mid table mediocrity

All isn't lost though we just need to play quicker with people in their correct positions, looks like Kenny and Marv are off as well, so its a big window again for the man at the top

Also a more general point about this site, can the moderators please stop trying to control debate on the OT section by selective deleting and editing of posts, it really is quite pathetic just trying to censor debate and push a left wing agenda all the time

All the best
Phil
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First things first Phil. Please accept my apologies for being late to the party, I had a bit of important business on this morning. If I had known you were back I would have cancelled and joined earlier, oh well, better late than never. It’s brilliant to have you back and I will check with you before making any arrangements in future.😁
 
Adams Kebab said:
I agree with you, but what I’m saying is I don’t think the Club do. I think they want a stable season with a top 6 finish a bonus.

Whereas the majority of us think we should be top 6 as a minimum & want us to sign the best players we can, not Tashan Oakley Boothe for example.

The Club have a weird way of communicating things like when asked why we’ve not reinvested the Yates money but said we have the most expensive player in Kyle Joseph. We didn’t actually pay for him, he was part of a swap deal. Dougall being rested etc.

All actions speak to just being happy to stabilise.
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So Kyle was free because he was part of a swap deal? Doesn't really work like that. There was a value that was offset against the money received from Swansea. Of course we paid for him, otherwise we'd have well over a million in the bank.
 
Wizaard said:
So Kyle was free because he was part of a swap deal? Doesn't really work like that. There was a value that was offset against the money received from Swansea. Of course we paid for him, otherwise we'd have well over a million in the bank.
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We didn’t pay any money for him.

His value was incorporated into the deal. He’s a decent player and now needs a run of games to show he’ll be worth it.

But we didn’t pay any of our money for him.

Works just like that 🤝🏼
 
I agree that I don't think this season Critch has been told promotion or else and that it has been more a build a team, style and formation and if we do we do.
There's a lot to like about what he's trying to do but the biggest thing that we miss is tempo. At home it is forced on the team by the fans but away we have a tendency to drift through a game and be cautious. I honestly don't think it's an instruction by Critch but more a lack of that one player who forces it on the rest of the team. I like Norburn and think he's a good player and should play but he sets the tempo too slow. I'd like another midfielder who controls the ball much like Bolton have with Josh Sheehan. Hopefully we get that player in.
 
Critchknows said:
I agree that I don't think this season Critch has been told promotion or else and that it has been more a build a team, style and formation and if we do we do.
There's a lot to like about what he's trying to do but the biggest thing that we miss is tempo. At home it is forced on the team by the fans but away we have a tendency to drift through a game and be cautious. I honestly don't think it's an instruction by Critch but more a lack of that one player who forces it on the rest of the team. I like Norburn and think he's a good player and should play but he sets the tempo too slow. I'd like another midfielder who controls the ball much like Bolton have with Josh Sheehan. Hopefully we get that player in.
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Yep good post that and I agree that we dont really have a play maker type and the tempo is really slow

Unless Dembele drives with the ball it's just too slow and easy to defend against
 
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Phil_bfc deux said:
Must admit it's been a bit of a dull watch granted I've only done a handful of games this season but in the 4 away games I've done I haven't seen a single goal goal for us

I do get the impression that Sadler is more in his comfort zone in league 1 and doesn't really have the ambition that a lot of our fans have

I've been reading this site even though I haven't been posting and I keep seeing nonsense about our fans being entitled

It's got fuck all to do with being entitled it's more a case of some of us having a bit more ambition than others
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I'm not sure what the 'Sadler is more in his comfort zone in League 1' is based on Phil, please elaborate.

He keeps us afloat as a loss-making concern, has signed the most expensive player in the league this year, the wage bill must be huge for this division, pitch maintenance looks super professional and expensive, we are buying out and evicting half a street so the stadium can be completed, new training ground planned. He is a successful businessman...a bit of a stretch to claim he is happy us languishing in the 3rd tier.
 
Adams Kebab said:
We didn’t pay any money for him.

His value was incorporated into the deal. He’s a decent player and now needs a run of games to show he’ll be worth it.

But we didn’t pay any of our money for him.

Works just like that 🤝🏼
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For arguments sake, Yates was valued at £4 million, and Joseph £1 million. No, we didn't pay, but then, Swansea didn't pay the fee for Yates. If our player has a greater value, why on earth would we be paying our money?
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
If we are going to carry on with this ponderous way of playing with wide men on the wrong fcuking side then Critchley need backing in the window with a couple of proper wing backs who can defend as well as being able to cross the flaming ball as we actually have strikers this season who thrive in the box

3 at the back isn't the problem it just means we can't play our best defender in it as he can't pass the ball for toffee so again a ball playing centre half is needed

Its all a bit disjointed again which after the cluster fuck of last season is really unacceptable

There is no atmosphere and any feal good factor has well and truly gone as we are sleep walking to mid table mediocrity

All isn't lost though we just need to play quicker with people in their correct positions, looks like Kenny and Marv are off as well, so its a big window again for the man at the top

Also a more general point about this site, can the moderators please stop trying to control debate on the OT section by selective deleting and editing of posts, it really is quite pathetic just trying to censor debate and push a left wing agenda all the time

All the best
Phil
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Great post pal all the best to you and your family for the new year.
In the BOTWT.
 
I think we can all see we lack tempo and it's been mentioned plenty of times over the last few days.
There's nothing wrong with keeping possession across the back 3/4/5 waiting for the right opportunity.
The top PL teams do this but the problem, for us, then becomes the movement of the players out of possession. Top players do this instinctively, we don't.
But we don't have to be ponderous all the time and I feel that Grimmy is at fault when he slows play down looking for a short ball in his penalty area which more often than not gets recycled back to him before he launches it forward. If we are going to play hoof ball play it first time before the opposition have time to set themselves.
Again though it's not just the "passer" it's the recievers who need to be working harder off the ball.
 
Sven said:
How is he in his comfort zone? He has said repeatedly that he wants the club to compete in the Championship. The man has made mistakes but are you calling him a liar? Or just talking shite?
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Just a feeling I have, Sven. Based upon the fact that we went down so tamely last season, two lazy managerial appointments and failure to properly reinvest the Bowler money. We hardly pushed the boat out to stay up did we?

I just get the feeling he's much more comfortable at this level. He's spent a lot of his own money already but he will have to spend a hell of a lot more to be competitive in the division above.

Or I could just be talking shite. Who knows.
 
mad-link said:
I'm not sure what the 'Sadler is more in his comfort zone in League 1' is based on Phil, please elaborate.

He keeps us afloat as a loss-making concern, has signed the most expensive player in the league this year, the wage bill must be huge for this division, pitch maintenance looks super professional and expensive, we are buying out and evicting half a street so the stadium can be completed, new training ground planned. He is a successful businessman...a bit of a stretch to claim he is happy us languishing in the 3rd tier.
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its not huge really, we have the 6th biggest budget in the league and when you consider we were a Championship club last season i think its fair to say we are under performing

As I've said many times you don't buy a football club unless you are willing to bank role it to the some of tens of millions and everytime folk are critical of the owner we are told he puts his own money in

So he fcuking should do
 
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