Rebecca Long-Bailey asked to step down!!

I doff my cap to Keith, good to see he won’t put up with the mad far Left that have blighted the Labour Party for too long.
 
Complete hatchet job...They are just trying to get rid of anything that will tie the Labour party to Corbyn.
Read the article and it's Maxine Peake that said the Army in Isreal train USA Police....how is that Anti- semetic....?

QUOTE: “Systemic racism is a global issue,” she adds. “The tactics used by the police in America, kneeling on George Floyd’s neck, that was learnt from seminars with Israeli secret services.” (A spokesperson for the Israeli police has denied this, stating that “there is no tactic or protocol that calls to put pressure on the neck or airway”.)
 
B_Side_The_C_Side said:
Complete hatchet job...They are just trying to get rid of anything that will tie the Labour party to Corbyn.
Read the article and it's Maxine Peake that said the Army in Isreal train USA Police....how is that Anti- semetic....?

QUOTE: “Systemic racism is a global issue,” she adds. “The tactics used by the police in America, kneeling on George Floyd’s neck, that was learnt from seminars with Israeli secret services.” (A spokesperson for the Israeli police has denied this, stating that “there is no tactic or protocol that calls to put pressure on the neck or airway”.)
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I agree with you on the point of this not being anti Semitic, and we re Jewish not that it matters.

however RLB and her ilk have promulgated this idea of intersectionality and an order of hierarchical racism, so in their own warped idea of racism, offends culture and wokeness this by their own definitions is classed as racist.

you can’t have it both ways where you group people together when it suits and then make distinctions when it doesn’t.
 
A bit pathetic that RLB tried to make out she was only supporting part of retweet, even though she had read it all
 
The offending passage in the Independent’s Maxine Peake interview is... “Systemic racism is a global issue,” she adds. “The tactics used by the police in America, kneeling on George Floyd’s neck, that was learnt from seminars with Israeli secret services.” (A spokesperson for the Israeli police has denied this, stating that “there is no tactic or protocol that calls to put pressure on the neck or airway”.)

The Independent Editor added the section in brackets.
It seems to be a convenient reason for Starmer to ditch the one arch-Corbynite he had to have in his cabinet after his election as Labour leader. To show the UK electorate that he is a break from the period when Labour lost because Corbyn was in charge. It’s back to the early days of New Labour when the only goal was to win and policies were an irrelevant distraction. Not that I overly care about RLB, it is hard to be sympathetic.

To be honest, I agree with Maxine Peake’s view on people who would usually vote Labour but used Corbyn as the excuse/reason not to do so last time out. They are the reason we have Johnson who, as Sir Max Hastings pointed out, is “not fit for the office of PM”.

As an aside, does anyone think the Israeli police and army have not used brutal violence against Palestinian kids protesting and throwing bricks and more? They shoot them rather than kneel on them.
 
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Having a Jewish wife and bringing up his kids under the faith he's not going to take any of this nonsense his party are infamous for.
 
Archibald Knox said:
The offending passage in the Independent’s Maxine Peake interview is... “Systemic racism is a global issue,” she adds. “The tactics used by the police in America, kneeling on George Floyd’s neck, that was learnt from seminars with Israeli secret services.” (A spokesperson for the Israeli police has denied this, stating that “there is no tactic or protocol that calls to put pressure on the neck or airway”.)

The Independent Editor added the section in brackets.
It seems to be a convenient reason for Starmer to ditch the one arch-Corbynite he had to have in his cabinet after his election as Labour leader. To show the UK electorate that he is a break from the period when Labour lost because Corbyn was in charge. It’s back to the early days of New Labour when the only goal was to win and policies were an irrelevant distraction. Not that I overly care about RLB, it is hard to be sympathetic.

To be honest, I agree with Maxine Peake’s view on people who would usually vote Labour but used Corbyn as the excuse not to do so.

As an aside, does anyone think the Israeli police and army have not used brutal violence against Palestinian kids protesting and throwing bricks and more? They shoot them rather than kneel on them.
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Why would you use Corbyn as an excuse to stop doing something you actually want to do. He was a big factor in me turning my back on Labour and Starmer could be a big factor in bringing me back.
For me Corbyn was part of a reason, not part of an excuse.

And as someone who usually voted Labour I think I am rightly qualified regarding giving opinions on why people switched,rather than other know it all’s telling me how I think.
 
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Archibald Knox said:
The offending passage in the Independent’s Maxine Peake interview is... “Systemic racism is a global issue,” she adds. “The tactics used by the police in America, kneeling on George Floyd’s neck, that was learnt from seminars with Israeli secret services.” (A spokesperson for the Israeli police has denied this, stating that “there is no tactic or protocol that calls to put pressure on the neck or airway”.)

The Independent Editor added the section in brackets.
It seems to be a convenient reason for Starmer to ditch the one arch-Corbynite he had to have in his cabinet after his election as Labour leader. To show the UK electorate that he is a break from the period when Labour lost because Corbyn was in charge. It’s back to the early days of New Labour when the only goal was to win and policies were an irrelevant distraction. Not that I overly care about RLB, it is hard to be sympathetic.

To be honest, I agree with Maxine Peake’s view on people who would usually vote Labour but used Corbyn as the excuse not to do so last time out. They are the reason we have Johnson who, as Sir Max Hastings pointed out, is “not fit for the office of PM”.

As an aside, does anyone think the Israeli police and army have not used brutal violence against Palestinian kids protesting and throwing bricks and more? They shoot them rather than kneel on them.
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I don't think people used Corbyn as an excuse, he was the reason they didn't vote labour.
 
Lala said:
Why would you use Corbyn as an excuse to stop doing something you actually want to do. He was a big factor in me turning my back in Labour and Starmer could be a big factor in bringing me back.
For me Corbyn was part of a reason, not part of an excuse.

And as someone who usually voted Labour I think I am rightly qualified regarding giving opinions on why people switched,rather than other know it all’s telling me how I think.
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Well said 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
 
Rektseasider said:
I agree with you on the point of this not being anti Semitic, and we re Jewish not that it matters.

however RLB and her ilk have promulgated this idea of intersectionality and an order of hierarchical racism, so in their own warped idea of racism, offends culture and wokeness this by their own definitions is classed as racist.

you can’t have it both ways where you group people together when it suits and then make distinctions when it doesn’t.
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Absolutely on the money.

Focus on the issues of class and the poverty, discrimination and struggle of the constituents of all creeds and colours instead of fighting a 'woke war' that will bite you on the arse because it's about infinite subdivision of cultural groups into ever smaller fragments.

As a friend of mine put beautifully when someone said 'what is this intersectionality thing?' - 'Intersectionality - it's top trumps for woke people'

I've sat in Labour meetings where more time is expended on 'deciding what the CLP thinks about israel' than anything to do with the consituency itself. It's usually a few woke warriors who want to be classed as more right on than anyone else and the rest of the room who are sighing inwardly because it's not getting anywhere or changing anything for anyone.
 
Victorsponge said:
I don't think people used Corbyn as an excuse, he was the reason they didn't vote labour.
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Reason/Excuse. Same thing. They (traditional Labour voters) could have held their noses and still voted Labour if their core beliefs were strong enough. Just as I had to when voting Remain despite despising the EU apparatchiks.

But those with core beliefs tend to balance out on both sides, it’s the floating voter, perhaps without such deep ideals and who are scared off by “extremists” or by “corruption”, who decide the election results either way. The reason for Starmer’s election - to win them over by 2025.

Lala said:
Why would you use Corbyn as an excuse to stop doing something you actually want to do. He was a big factor in me turning my back on Labour and Starmer could be a big factor in bringing me back.
For me Corbyn was part of a reason, not part of an excuse.

And as someone who usually voted Labour I think I am rightly qualified regarding giving opinions on why people switched,rather than other know it all’s telling me how I think.
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Yes, you have heard Starmer’s dog-whistle correctly, as intended.
 
Does she support Burnley too? Seems they have a lot in common. Neither may be making racist statements but you can see the context a fuckin mile away. Two sides of the same vile coin.
 
Archibald Knox said:
Reason/Excuse. Same thing. They (traditional Labour voters) could have held their noses and still voted Labour if their core beliefs were strong enough. Just as I had to when voting Remain despite despising the EU apparatchiks.

But those with core beliefs tend to balance out on both sides, it’s the floating voter, perhaps without such deep ideals and who are scared off by “extremists” or by “corruption”, who decide the election results either way. The reason for Starmer’s election - to win them over by 2025.



Yes, you have heard Starmer’s dog-whistle correctly, as intended.
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A reason and an excuse are absolutely not the same thing.
 
Archibald Knox said:
Reason/Excuse. Same thing. They (traditional Labour voters) could have held their noses and still voted Labour if their core beliefs were strong enough. Just as I had to when voting Remain despite despising the EU apparatchiks.

But those with core beliefs tend to balance out on both sides, it’s the floating voter, perhaps without such deep ideals and who are scared off by “extremists” or by “corruption”, who decide the election results either way. The reason for Starmer’s election - to win them over by 2025.



Yes, you have heard Starmer’s dog-whistle correctly, as intended.
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Dog whistle! Credit me with some brains of my own please 😞
What an insulting and self-righteous response.
 
Sorry if you’re upset. I should use an emoticon. 😉 By the way, everyone has their own “dog-whistles” that they respond to. Or “knee-jerks”. It’s not meant to be disparaging. I could have used more complicated terms, but simple three-word clichés seem to be the way that politics is often presented these days. Every simple political statement has lots of unsaid things behind it. You know, such as “All Lives Matter”, for example.
 
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I won't miss her whiny voice and mentioning Salford every two minutes.
Why didn't Starmer just miss a step and not give her a job in the first place?
 
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Here we go again, you don't vote my way your thick, you don't think my way your a sheep
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I agree. We are all, to a less or greater extent, the subjects of the incessant targeted propaganda that builds towards election time. You and Lala are in Keir’s cross-hairs as being eminently convertable. Such as it should be. No offence meant.
 
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PNENIL said:
I won't miss her whiny voice and mentioning Salford every two minutes.
Why didn't Starmer just miss a step and not give her a job in the first place?
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KS attempted to mollify all wings of Labour, including the unions and, to a lesser extent, Momentum. Unity... a fairly essential requisite after a heavy election defeat.
 
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KS attempted to mollify all wings of Labour, including the unions and, to a lesser extent, Momentum. Unity... a fairly essential requisite after a heavy election defeat.
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Unity and decent policies. I’m no sucker to a bit of suave or a dog whistle.
I like to think I have a decent mind of my own mostly 👍
I’m not going to continue a spat with you, I know what you were trying to say whether expressed complicatedly or not and you didn’t intend personal offence hopefully, but I take umbrage when anyone tells me how I feel or think whilst thinking they know better.
No harm done. Put to bed.
 
She's always been a female version of Corbyn, hejustneeded the slightest excuse to get rid of her, surprised he put her in the shadow cabinet in the first place.

He is certainly streets ahead of Corbyn and his cronies. I am convertible too (bit of a soft top!) I voted LibDem in the last election Certainly couldn't vote Conservative and I'venever voted Labour in my life although my politics are certainly becoming left of centre these days, so who knows?
 
Jewish Voice for Peace, an organisation who are crtical of the Israeli government and occupation of the west bank, state why the Maxine Peake view is anti-semitic very succinctly.

'Suggesting is the start or source of American police violence shifts the blame from the United States to Israel. It also furthers an anti-semitic ideology.'
 
bollieboy said:
Jewish Voice for Peace, an organisation who are crtical of the Israeli government and occupation of the west bank, state why the Maxine Peake view is anti-semitic very succinctly.

'Suggesting is the start or source of American police violence shifts the blame from the United States to Israel. It also furthers an anti-semitic ideology.'
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I tend to partially agree, whether intentional or not. But doesn’t shooting teenage Palestinian protesters dead... kind of trump that concern?
 
Forgetting the side issues....please.

This is a solid move in the right direction for the Labour party......Twelve Angry...Sorry Kier Starmer, wants to make this party relevant to all of us.
I will wait to see if it's worth voting for.....but he could be a real option to Boris and the Oxbridge Mafia......but he should just be honest and tell RLB she's just not wanted.......👍
 
As yet there is no strength in depth within the labour party. Starmer is making the right noises but cannot win the hearts and minds of the electorate single handed.
 
Scarborian said:
As yet there is no strength in depth within the labour party. Starmer is making the right noises but cannot win the hearts and minds of the electorate single handed.
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In time and with the right policies and people behind him I think it’s very possible. Open mindedness is the way forward for me 👍
 
Keir Starmer would have been cut to pieces by the Tory press if he hadn't have acted in the way he has. He has a lot of issues to balance at the moment, a key one of which is to appear tough on anti-Semitism as well as to be tough on anti-Semitism. By sacking Long-Bailey has has made a move on both of these. The Labour Party needs to bring Jewish-Labour back into the fold. As leader, Starmer also needs to look competent, effective and politically moderate. In other words, he needs to look electable.
However, and this is important, being moderate in his management and leadership tone does not mean that he has to ditch the radical edge that Corbyn and McDonnell brought to the Party's domestic policies. If all some people want is an anodyne, well-mannered centrist in a suit then vote for Chuka Ammuna or Chris Leslie.
Labour needs a radical agenda because the country needs a radical agenda. With the Party united under Keir and all hints of racism binned, I think Labour has a good chance of being elected at the next GE
 
Archibald Knox said:
What an insulting and self-righteous response !! 😆
Have you ever heard of a socialist HA? I thought they all wore swastikas and iron crosses with real intent.
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With a name like Archibald, I doubt any self respecting chapter of Hells Angels would accept you. Besides that your little Triumph wouldn't be big enough. 😉 Even though it is a beauty.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Keir Starmer would have been cut to pieces by the Tory press if he hadn't have acted in the way he has. He has a lot of issues to balance at the moment, a key one of which is to appear tough on anti-Semitism as well as to be tough on anti-Semitism. By sacking Long-Bailey has has made a move on both of these. The Labour Party needs to bring Jewish-Labour back into the fold. As leader, Starmer also needs to look competent, effective and politically moderate. In other words, he needs to look electable.
However, and this is important, being moderate in his management and leadership tone does not mean that he has to ditch the radical edge that Corbyn and McDonnell brought to the Party's domestic policies. If all some people want is an anodyne, well-mannered centrist in a suit then vote for Chuka Ammuna or Chris Leslie.
Labour needs a radical agenda because the country needs a radical agenda. With the Party united under Keir and all hints of racism binned, I think Labour has a good chance of being elected at the next GE
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The country needs a radical agenda that much that it voted overwhelmingly to reject such an agenda barely 6 months ago.
 
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