R rate below 1 !!!


At last some good news, hopefully it won't go above 1 again with the lockdown, the increasing number of people who have had it and the vaccines on stream.
Great news!
Barring anything else occurring we should be out of lockdown by Easter.
 
Actually had a mate who admitted he went to the wedding in Hackney. Unbelievable given he has very elderly relatives who are both housebound and rely on him and his mum on a daily basis. Stupid.
 
...and that's why I so strongly disagree with Wiz. Handle the crisis badly or not there were always gonna be deaths and they can't ALL be laid at the govt's door like he stated. Sorry, that's really for another thread.
 
Spiegalhalter the statistician predicting a massive political row in about a month's time.
The libertarians in the Conservative party will be putting immense pressure on the PM to ease restrictions whilst the scientists will be arguing to continue. One of the libertarians recently suggested that they may try to oust Johnson over this (can't remember who). Johnson will, in all likelihood do what he has done throughout, try to select a middle way that pleases both parties. To me this is a mistake, you can't do half a lockdown as we have discovered.
 
Spiegalhalter the statistician predicting a massive political row in about a month's time.
The libertarians in the Conservative party will be putting immense pressure on the PM to ease restrictions whilst the scientists will be arguing to continue. One of the libertarians recently suggested that they may try to oust Johnson over this (can't remember who). Johnson will, in all likelihood do what he has done throughout, try to select a middle way that pleases both parties. To me this is a mistake, you can't do half a lockdown as we have discovered.
Full nelson required
 
...and that's why I so strongly disagree with Wiz. Handle the crisis badly or not there were always gonna be deaths and they can't ALL be laid at the govt's door like he stated. Sorry, that's really for another thread.
85,000 deaths to date and still rising. Every one an avoidable tragedy. The key word being avoidable.
 
Don’t get too excited chaps according to the Three Stooges the mutant virus is 30% more likely to kill you.
Which equates to 9995 surviving rather than 9996 out of any 10000 people. But I do agree with Wiz: every single death was avoidable so I see this as a distraction to the real culpability for what was allowed to happen.
 
Which equates to 9995 surviving rather than 9996 out of any 10000 people. But I do agree with Wiz: every single death was avoidable so I see this as a distraction to the real culpability for what was allowed to happen.
Every single death was avoidable? Really? I've read some shite on here but you and Wiz take the biscuit with your sweeping statements.
 
85,000 deaths to date and still rising. Every one an avoidable tragedy. The key word being avoidable.
Of course they were avoidable. As they were in the rest of the world. Just needed China to be honest in the first place! Whether it came from a wet market or a lab, China fucked up, they allowed it out of their country and the rest of the world is paying and suffering for it. But hey, no blame on China by the likes of Wiz.
 
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Eat out to help out, open borders, schools and universities re-opened, loosening of rules at Christmas, hospital patients moved to nursing homes, government decisions that have resulted in increased deaths.
Government are responsible for way more deaths than big fat Jewish weddings and house parties in Accrington but they are doing their best to put the blame on this stuff.
I hate the restrictions but when you look at New Zealand and Australia makes me think Johnson and friends have got more wrong than right.
The people down under got things under control without vaccination, we are struggling with it.
 
So come on then wiz, let's say you were in the hot seat last February. How would you have handled things differently between then and now? And how many deaths would we be at by now? No sarcasm, i'm genuinely interested because at the moment you're sounding an awful lot like Captain Hindsight Kier
 
I have had a moment to think about what I’m permitted to say. I have to say I’ve signed the Official Secrets Act and so must be guarded in what I put out, recognising what is already in the public domain.
My work was to do with the protection of the nation in the event of a nuclear incident. You can decide what sort of threat we may have faced in recent years. The level of resilience now put in place has been designed to protect us against an event that is considered to be lower than a 1 in 10000 year event, but should it happen it would be destructive to the whole of Northern Europe. Contrast this to a pandemic which was assessed to be likely to happen once in a dozen or so years.
The nation has funded the modification to our nuclear installations in advance of threat, created a spine of bases along the length of the country stocked with all the equipment needed (turnkey ready), recruited and trained ex-special forces in the deployment, developed all the protocols needed for an emergency response, and most importantly tested them in live situations.
Now think about how ready we were to track the the first case of covid, how ready our testing regime was to swing into action, what policy decisions were needed, what steps would lockdown the first cases etc etc.
And don’t get me started on the inadequacies of the global authorities to counter what was a global threat that should have been anticipated and nipped early in the bud.
I’m not being critical of the current regime’s response at all. It’s doing reasonably well considering how hamstrung it was when the pandemic emerged. The deaths to date are much lower than they could have been. However, the value on every single life is so great that to deny avoidability is to allow those who shirked the responsibility in years gone by to get away with it. That’s inexcusable.
 
Of course they were avoidable. As they were in the rest of the world. Just needed China to be honest in the first place! Whether it came from a wet market or a lab, China fucked up, they allowed it out of their country and the rest of the world is paying and suffering for it. But hey, no blame on China by the likes of Wiz.
Apparently your mate Newholland thinks they were unavoidable.

And the first thing I said was that China should have been upfront as to what was going on. You think that exonerates us completely. Wrong.
 
So come on then wiz, let's say you were in the hot seat last February. How would you have handled things differently between then and now? And how many deaths would we be at by now? No sarcasm, i'm genuinely interested because at the moment you're sounding an awful lot like Captain Hindsight Kier
As we've said before, plenty on here, including me, would have closed the borders far earlier and had a stringent lockdown. Weve not had either to date.
 
Apparently your mate Newholland thinks they were unavoidable.
Yep, but he's based his answer based on current events. I'm going back to where it all started. And that's China. So of course you'll agree with me and say that if China had acted responsibly then all this might never have happened. But yep, in your blinkered eyes every death in the UK is our govt's fault.
 
Up until 4 days ago, anyone could have arrived in the UK having filled in a form giving the name Micky Mouse and an address of 10 Downing St.
 
Yep, but he's based his answer based on current events. I'm going back to where it all started. And that's China. So of course you'll agree with me and say that if China had acted responsibly then all this might never have happened. But yep, in your blinkered eyes every death in the UK is our govt's fault.
As you said, it was always going to get out, even without China's stonewalling. To that extent it was always going to happen. It's how you deal with the fallout, and we continue to lurch from one disaster to another.

Our only hope is the vaccine. Meanwhile other countries have no cases before the population is vaccinated.
 
As we've said before, plenty on here, including me, would have closed the borders far earlier and had a stringent lockdown. Weve not had either to date.
And once again, you miss the whole point. We could have locked down two weeks earlier than Italy but if the disease is already here then it's here and it's gonna wreak havoc. China were lying to the world right thru into January. How many thousands of people were going into and out of China in all that time. In fact China were still in denial yesterday. What part don't you understand about how they havecaused all this yet you don't blame them for a single death in this country.
As you said, it was always going to get out, even without China's stonewalling. To that extent it was always going to happen. It's how you deal with the fallout, and we continue to lurch from one disaster to another.

Our only hope is the vaccine. Meanwhile other countries have no cases before the population is vaccinated.
But the stonewalling was happening whilst they were doing nothing about it. They were telling the WHO that it wasn't transmitted from human to human. They were lying thru their teeth. Many people were commuting in and out of China but you want to exonerate them from as not being responsible for any deaths in our country? Madness.
 
And once again, you miss the whole point. We could have locked down two weeks earlier than Italy but if the disease is already here then it's here and it's gonna wreak havoc. China were lying to the world right thru into January. How many thousands of people were going into and out of China in all that time. In fact China were still in denial yesterday. What part don't you understand about how they havecaused all this yet you don't blame them for a single death in this country.

But the stonewalling was happening whilst they were doing nothing about it. They were telling the WHO that it wasn't transmitted from human to human. They were lying thru their teeth. Many people were commuting in and out of China but you want to exonerate them from as not being responsible for any deaths in our country? Madness.
And you're missing the point that it didnt stop other countries keeping it out despite China doing exactly the same. Why would that be, if not through having a different response?
 
And you're missing the point that it didnt stop other countries keeping it out despite China doing exactly the same. Why would that be, if not through having a different response?
....and the other countries with no reported deaths are?
 
As I've said many times the 85,000 figure is utter bollocks.
We should have two figures people who have died of Covid and people who have caught it while being on their last legs.

Just today my wife told me of the poor 90+ women who was dying and caught the virus while in hospital we all know what will be put on the death certificate.
 
As I've said many times the 85,000 figure is utter bollocks.
We should have two figures people who have died of Covid and people who have caught it while being on their last legs.

Just today my wife told me of the poor 90+ women who was dying and caught the virus while in hospital we all know what will be put on the death certificate.
Chris Whitty lying through his backside again on National T.V.... I presume he thinks the British Public are completely gormless or something.... Trying to bullshit everyone that "The case numbers are possibly coming down or maybe stabiliising a little".... No Chris the numbers are dropping like a fecking stone 25% week on week, we're not blind!! 👎
 
Chris Whitty lying through his backside again on National T.V.... I presume he thinks the British Public are completely gormless or something.... Trying to bullshit everyone that "The case numbers are possibly coming down or maybe stabiliising a little".... No Chris the numbers are dropping like a fecking stone 25% week on week, we're not blind!! 👎

Do you not think you're being a bit naive?

He knows quite well that if he gives the impression we've licked this that every idiot in the country will be out on a germ spreading fest.
 
As I've said many times the 85,000 figure is utter bollocks.
We should have two figures people who have died of Covid and people who have caught it while being on their last legs.

Just today my wife told me of the poor 90+ women who was dying and caught the virus while in hospital we all know what will be put on the death certificate.
Counter balanced by those who caught it more than a month ago and have died a lingering death. Only counting those diagnosed in the last 28 days.
 
Do you not think you're being a bit naive?

He knows quite well that if he gives the impression we've licked this that every idiot in the country will be out on a germ spreading fest.
I know what he’s doing.. Lying and treating the public like idiots.

Nothing naive about it... It’s completely see through... We all know why he’s doing it... Jesus (you’d have to be pretty bloody gormless not to)😂
 
OK fair point 20's. Its all China's fault. Bastards.
Look, i've said that this govt have made some big mistakes but they were all made when the disease was already here. All I see from those on your side of the debate is to simply go back to early March when we were starting to realise the effects this disease might have on the country and the rest of the world. But, it's a fact that this disease goes back to at least December last year, and maybe even earlier. And China were trying to cover it up. But in Wizs words China is blameless and every death in our country is the fault of this govt. And of course it will be Boris's fault if anyone from this wedding dies.
 
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